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  It's about the Butterfly Effect Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 20:18 -0600
    Re: It's about the Butterfly Effect Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-28 23:47 +0800
      Re: It's about the Butterfly Effect Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-31 18:59 -0600
        Re: It's about the Butterfly Effect Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-01 17:04 +0800
          Re: It's about the Butterfly Effect ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-11-01 09:32 +0000
            Re: It's about the Butterfly Effect Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 14:29 +0800
          Re: It's about the Butterfly Effect Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-11-01 14:12 -0700
    Re: It's about the Butterfly Effect The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-31 21:40 -0700
      Re: It's about the Butterfly Effect The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-31 21:49 -0700

#661567 — It's about the Butterfly Effect

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/the-butterfly-effect-why-you-can-t-predict-what-happens-next/vi-AA20zX09

The smallest change in conditions can to the biggest results.

-- 
Sometimes I just feel like I need to get away
A place where I can be by myself, all alone
I kinda lay down in the back yard
Watch the leaves fall down on my face

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#661593

On 10/27/2026 10:18 AM, Blaine wrote:
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/the-butterfly-effect-why-you-can-t- 
> predict-what-happens-next/vi-AA20zX09
> 
> The smallest change in conditions can to the biggest results.
> 

Yes, for instance, Karl Marx wrote a book.  As a consequence down the
line, millions of Soviet subjects died of starvation.
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#661663

Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
> On 10/27/2026 10:18 AM, Blaine wrote:
>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/the-butterfly-effect-why-you-can-t- 
>> predict-what-happens-next/vi-AA20zX09
>>
>> The smallest change in conditions can to the biggest results.
>>
> 
> Yes, for instance, Karl Marx wrote a book.  As a consequence down the
> line, millions of Soviet subjects died of starvation.

It's a small price to pay. Did you know that there have been over 10 
billion people during history? Karl Marx broached the subject of not 
punching every guy's ear & putting a price tag on them. We were all pigs 
in a pen to be slaughtered in a month before Karl Marx set his pen down 
on the page and began to write Science Fiction.

Nowadays, we can read our Karl Marx by the fireplace instead of waiting 
in line for our throats to be cut while our hearts are still beating. An 
alternate future, you may say. I'm going to allow it while you are using 
this app.
-- 
Sometimes I just feel like I need to get away
A place where I can be by myself, all alone
I kinda lay down in the back yard
Watch the leaves fall down on my face

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#661673

On 11/1/2026 8:59 AM, Blaine wrote:
> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
>> On 10/27/2026 10:18 AM, Blaine wrote:
>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/the-butterfly-effect-why-you- 
>>> can-t- predict-what-happens-next/vi-AA20zX09
>>>
>>> The smallest change in conditions can to the biggest results.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, for instance, Karl Marx wrote a book.  As a consequence down the
>> line, millions of Soviet subjects died of starvation.
> 
> It's a small price to pay. Did you know that there have been over 10 

I don't think it was a /small price to pay/.  I mean, I don't want to
kill people.

> billion people during history? Karl Marx broached the subject of not 
> punching every guy's ear & putting a price tag on them. We were all pigs 
> in a pen to be slaughtered in a month before Karl Marx set his pen down 
> on the page and began to write Science Fiction.
> 
> Nowadays, we can read our Karl Marx by the fireplace instead of waiting 
> in line for our throats to be cut while our hearts are still beating. An 
> alternate future, you may say. I'm going to allow it while you are using 
> this app.

Now you have me at a disadvantage, because I have not read the works of
Karl Marx.  I don't know what he said about ears, and counting them.


Best wishes, and happy reading!
-- 
Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/
I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com
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#661674

Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote or quoted:
>I don't think it was a /small price to pay/.  I mean, I don't want to
>kill people.

  We don't know whether even more people would have been killed
  if he had /not/ written that book. So that causal connection
  is our /attribution/.

  Marx could not possibly anticipate all effects of his book.
  But saying he "killed" people sounds as if he had intended
  the effect of people dying.

  Someone gets killed in a car accident. That car was only there because
  another man before decided to use his usual route to work, which indi-
  rectly delayed the first car a bit, otherwise there would have been no
  accident. So did the other man "kill" the first man? Oh, I only now 
  see this topic already is labeled, "It's about the Butterfly Effect".

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#661688

On 11/1/2026 5:32 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote or quoted:
>> I don't think it was a /small price to pay/.  I mean, I don't want to
>> kill people.
> 
>    We don't know whether even more people would have been killed
>    if he had /not/ written that book. So that causal connection
>    is our /attribution/.
> 
>    Marx could not possibly anticipate all effects of his book.
>    But saying he "killed" people sounds as if he had intended
>    the effect of people dying.
> 
>    Someone gets killed in a car accident. That car was only there because
>    another man before decided to use his usual route to work, which indi-
>    rectly delayed the first car a bit, otherwise there would have been no
>    accident. So did the other man "kill" the first man? Oh, I only now
>    see this topic already is labeled, "It's about the Butterfly Effect".

Well, that's bickering over past history, or crying over spilled milk.

The people who did the insurrections, and subsequently put incompetent
people in charge of food production -- with aforementioned consequences
-- used Karl's book.  Had they used some other book for the same purpose
we would be making fun of that connection, and not this one.

The sad reality is that this happened more than once, using Karl's book.
-- 
Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/
I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com
https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:;
Federated at https://fed.brid.gy/bsky/myrkraverk.bsky.social

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#661678

Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
> On 11/1/2026 8:59 AM, Blaine wrote:
>> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
>>> On 10/27/2026 10:18 AM, Blaine wrote:
>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/the-butterfly-effect-why-you- 
>>>> can-t- predict-what-happens-next/vi-AA20zX09
>>>>
>>>> The smallest change in conditions can to the biggest results.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, for instance, Karl Marx wrote a book.  As a consequence down the
>>> line, millions of Soviet subjects died of starvation.
>>
>> It's a small price to pay. Did you know that there have been over 10 
> 
> I don't think it was a /small price to pay/.  I mean, I don't want to
> kill people.
> 
>> billion people during history? Karl Marx broached the subject of not 
>> punching every guy's ear & putting a price tag on them. We were all 
>> pigs in a pen to be slaughtered in a month before Karl Marx set his 
>> pen down on the page and began to write Science Fiction.
>>
>> Nowadays, we can read our Karl Marx by the fireplace instead of 
>> waiting in line for our throats to be cut while our hearts are still 
>> beating. An alternate future, you may say. I'm going to allow it while 
>> you are using this app.
> 
> Now you have me at a disadvantage, because I have not read the works of
> Karl Marx.  I don't know what he said about ears, and counting them.
> 
I was merely pointing to an animal that is slaughtered for its meat. 
Perhaps many others would point at cows, but I don't really have much 
empathy for those ones.
-- 
Sometimes I just feel like I need to get away
A place where I can be by myself, all alone
I kinda lay down in the back yard
Watch the leaves fall down on my face

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#661668

Blaine wrote:
> 
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/the-butterfly-effect-why-you-can-t-predict-what-happens-next/vi-AA20zX09
> 
> The smallest change in conditions can to the biggest results.
> 
> --
> Sometimes I just feel like I need to get away
> A place where I can be by myself, all alone
> I kinda lay down in the back yard
> Watch the leaves fall down on my face


I was thinking of a different butterfly effect...

In Brooklyn trees I used to watch caterpillars turn into cacoons, then a
butterfly.

Does that mean the caterpillar dreams he's a butterfly now?

He fluttered about happily, doing as he pleased, completely unaware that
he was a human named Zhuang Zhou. 
When he suddenly woke up, he was unmistakably himself again. 
This left him with a deep question: Was he a man who had dreamt he was a
butterfly, or is he now a butterfly dreaming that he is a man?




-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#661669

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Blaine wrote:
> >
> > https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/the-butterfly-effect-why-you-can-t-predict-what-happens-next/vi-AA20zX09
> >
> > The smallest change in conditions can to the biggest results.
> >
> > --
> > Sometimes I just feel like I need to get away
> > A place where I can be by myself, all alone
> > I kinda lay down in the back yard
> > Watch the leaves fall down on my face
> 
> I was thinking of a different butterfly effect...
> 
> In Brooklyn trees I used to watch caterpillars turn into cacoons, then a
> butterfly.
> 
> Does that mean the caterpillar dreams he's a butterfly now?
> 
> He fluttered about happily, doing as he pleased, completely unaware that
> he was a human named Zhuang Zhou.
> When he suddenly woke up, he was unmistakably himself again.
> This left him with a deep question: Was he a man who had dreamt he was a
> butterfly, or is he now a butterfly dreaming that he is a man?

Or is he now a butterfly dreaming he is a catterpilla?

The Butterfly Effect is hurting my head.

I must be dreaming

but, but I did dream I was a catterpilla and I woke up..

and now I'm the catterpilla dreaming I'm  the starmaker!


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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