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  For third graders only The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-19 13:57 -0700
    Re: For third graders only Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-19 16:52 -0500
      Re: For third graders only The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-19 22:43 -0700
        Re: For third graders only Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-20 09:12 -0500
          Re: For third graders only The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-20 11:56 -0700
            Re: For third graders only Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-20 17:09 -0500
        Re: For third graders only The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-20 11:06 -0700
          Re: For third graders only TB <tsbrueni@dcn.davis.ca.us> - 2016-08-20 11:15 -0700
            Re: For third graders only The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-20 11:45 -0700
              Re: For third graders only Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-20 17:15 -0500
                Re: For third graders only Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-20 19:43 -0500
      Re: For third graders only "Bast" <fakename@nomail.invalid> - 2016-08-20 08:31 -0400
        Re: For third graders only "Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> - 2016-08-20 22:46 +0100
          Re: For third graders only "Bast" <fakename@nomail.invalid> - 2016-08-21 05:48 -0400
            Re: For third graders only "Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> - 2016-08-21 12:15 +0100
              Re: For third graders only "Bast" <fakename@nomail.invalid> - 2016-08-21 10:32 -0400
                Re: For third graders only "Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> - 2016-08-21 22:30 +0100
            Re: For third graders only Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-08-22 01:56 -0600
        Re: For third graders only Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-21 12:29 -0700
          Re: For third graders only The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-21 12:41 -0700
          Re: For third graders only Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-21 17:04 -0500
            Re: For third graders only "Bast" <fakename@nomail.invalid> - 2016-08-22 15:12 -0400
              Re: For third graders only "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 09:21 -0500
                Re: For third graders only "Bast" <fakename@nomail.invalid> - 2016-08-24 07:10 -0400
                Re: For third graders only hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2016-08-25 16:25 -0700
                  Re: For third graders only "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 10:14 -0500
          Re: For third graders only Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-08-22 01:59 -0600
        Re: For third graders only Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-08-22 01:50 -0600

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#449052 — For third graders only

Space is cold and the Stars are hot...

it's like being in a air condition movie theater and seeing the hottest
stars.

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#449059

On 8/19/2016 3:57 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Space is cold and the Stars are hot...
>
> it's like being in a air condition movie theater and seeing the hottest
> stars.
>

so, the movie theater is in Space......
	with good seeing,
	the hotter stars like the white/bluish ones.



But, how can an air conditioner work in space?
	there is no air to push around



ever see the movie "Dark Star" ?

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#449092

Sergio wrote:
> 
> On 8/19/2016 3:57 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Space is cold and the Stars are hot...
> >
> > it's like being in a air condition movie theater and seeing the hottest
> > stars.
> >
> 
> so, the movie theater is in Space......
>         with good seeing,
>         the hotter stars like the white/bluish ones.
> 
> But, how can an air conditioner work in space?
>         there is no air to push around



How many times did you get left back in the 2nd grade???


An air conditionser works like a refriderator...Space is cold,

what do you think makes Space cold?

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#449096

On 8/20/2016 12:43 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Sergio wrote:
>>
>> On 8/19/2016 3:57 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Space is cold and the Stars are hot...
>>>
>>> it's like being in a air condition movie theater and seeing the hottest
>>> stars.
>>>
>>
>> so, the movie theater is in Space......
>>         with good seeing,
>>         the hotter stars like the white/bluish ones.
>>
>> But, how can an air conditioner work in space?
>>         there is no air to push around
>
>
>
> How many times did you get left back in the 2nd grade???

.....  but the bus wasn't running that day

>
>
> An air conditionser works like a refriderator...Space is cold,

if you are adrift in Space 10,000 miles from the sun, is space cold ?

where do you plug in your refriderator in Space ?


>
> what do you think makes Space cold?
>

the ice cube tray ?

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#449133

Sergio wrote:
> 
> On 8/20/2016 12:43 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Sergio wrote:
> >>
> >> On 8/19/2016 3:57 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> Space is cold and the Stars are hot...
> >>>
> >>> it's like being in a air condition movie theater and seeing the hottest
> >>> stars.
> >>>
> >>
> >> so, the movie theater is in Space......
> >>         with good seeing,
> >>         the hotter stars like the white/bluish ones.
> >>
> >> But, how can an air conditioner work in space?
> >>         there is no air to push around
> >
> >
> >
> > How many times did you get left back in the 2nd grade???
> 
> .....  but the bus wasn't running that day
> 
> >
> >
> > An air conditionser works like a refriderator...Space is cold,
> 
> if you are adrift in Space 10,000 miles from the sun, is space cold ?



I was wonering how long it would take for someone to mention..."what if
you're standing next to the sun?"




it's these people see so many trees...they never see a forest.


96 percent of the universe is cold, and these girls are hugging the
other 4 percent.



When you have billions and billions of stars...in only 4 percent of the
universe...

it's going to take a lot to cool it down....otherwise the computer will
crash.

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#449157

On 8/20/2016 1:56 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Sergio wrote:
>>
>> On 8/20/2016 12:43 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Sergio wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 8/19/2016 3:57 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> Space is cold and the Stars are hot...
>>>>>
>>>>> it's like being in a air condition movie theater and seeing the hottest
>>>>> stars.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> so, the movie theater is in Space......
>>>>         with good seeing,
>>>>         the hotter stars like the white/bluish ones.
>>>>
>>>> But, how can an air conditioner work in space?
>>>>         there is no air to push around
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How many times did you get left back in the 2nd grade???
>>
>> .....  but the bus wasn't running that day
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> An air conditionser works like a refriderator...Space is cold,
>>
>> if you are adrift in Space 10,000 miles from the sun, is space cold ?
>
>
>
> I was wonering how long it would take for someone to mention..."what if
> you're standing next to the sun?"
>
>

if your next to the sun, you have already been cooked, disassociated 
into your individual atoms and blown out into the universe.

>
>
> it's these people see so many trees...they never see a forest.

Each tree is magnificent in its own right.
Robin Hood lives in a forest.
Monkeys live in a rain forest.

>
>
> 96 percent of the universe is cold, and these girls are hugging the
> other 4 percent.

these girls are stuck on a planet 90 million miles away from your other 4%


>
>
>
> When you have billions and billions of stars...in only 4 percent of the
> universe...

stars are the heaters of the universe, the fireplaces,

so where is the thermostat ?


>
> it's going to take a lot to cool it down....otherwise the computer will
> crash.

best to turn off Windows Update

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#449125

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Sergio wrote:
> >
> > On 8/19/2016 3:57 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > Space is cold and the Stars are hot...
> > >
> > > it's like being in a air condition movie theater and seeing the hottest
> > > stars.
> > >
> >
> > so, the movie theater is in Space......
> >         with good seeing,
> >         the hotter stars like the white/bluish ones.
> >
> > But, how can an air conditioner work in space?
> >         there is no air to push around
> 
> How many times did you get left back in the 2nd grade???
> 
> An air conditionser works like a refriderator...Space is cold,
> 
> what do you think makes Space cold?


an airconditioner removes heat from the air, a refriderator removes the
heat..


Do you know what the device is that removes the heat and makes Space
cold????

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#449126

On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 11:05:35 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
> > 
> > Sergio wrote:
> > >
> > > On 8/19/2016 3:57 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > Space is cold and the Stars are hot...
> > > >
> > > > it's like being in a air condition movie theater and seeing the hottest
> > > > stars.
> > > >
> > >
> > > so, the movie theater is in Space......
> > >         with good seeing,
> > >         the hotter stars like the white/bluish ones.
> > >
> > > But, how can an air conditioner work in space?
> > >         there is no air to push around
> > 
> > How many times did you get left back in the 2nd grade???
> > 
> > An air conditionser works like a refriderator...Space is cold,
> > 
> > what do you think makes Space cold?
> 
> 
> an airconditioner removes heat from the air, a refriderator removes the
> heat..
> 
> 
> Do you know what the device is that removes the heat and makes Space
> cold????

Space became cold by expanding a whole lot.  At the start of the Universe, space was really hot, but then it expanded, spreading the Universe's heat energy over a much wider volume!

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#449131

TB wrote:
> 
> On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 11:05:35 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > Sergio wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 8/19/2016 3:57 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > Space is cold and the Stars are hot...
> > > > >
> > > > > it's like being in a air condition movie theater and seeing the hottest
> > > > > stars.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > so, the movie theater is in Space......
> > > >         with good seeing,
> > > >         the hotter stars like the white/bluish ones.
> > > >
> > > > But, how can an air conditioner work in space?
> > > >         there is no air to push around
> > >
> > > How many times did you get left back in the 2nd grade???
> > >
> > > An air conditionser works like a refriderator...Space is cold,
> > >
> > > what do you think makes Space cold?
> >
> >
> > an airconditioner removes heat from the air, a refriderator removes the
> > heat..
> >
> >
> > Do you know what the device is that removes the heat and makes Space
> > cold????
> 
> Space became cold by expanding a whole lot.  At the start of the Universe, space was really hot, but then it expanded, spreading the Universe's heat energy over a much wider volume!


I was wondering how long it would take for the 'microwave background
guys' to show up?


What story did they have for it before that??

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#449158

On 8/20/2016 1:45 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> TB wrote:
>>
>> On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 11:05:35 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker
>> wrote:
>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sergio wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/19/2016 3:57 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>> Space is cold and the Stars are hot...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it's like being in a air condition movie theater and seeing
>>>>>> the hottest stars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> so, the movie theater is in Space...... with good seeing, the
>>>>> hotter stars like the white/bluish ones.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, how can an air conditioner work in space? there is no
>>>>> air to push around
>>>>
>>>> How many times did you get left back in the 2nd grade???
>>>>
>>>> An air conditionser works like a refriderator...Space is cold,
>>>>
>>>> what do you think makes Space cold?
>>>
>>>
>>> an airconditioner removes heat from the air, a refriderator
>>> removes the heat..
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you know what the device is that removes the heat and makes
>>> Space cold????
>>
>> Space became cold by expanding a whole lot.  At the start of the
>> Universe, space was really hot, but then it expanded, spreading the
>> Universe's heat energy over a much wider volume!
>
>
> I was wondering how long it would take for the 'microwave background
> guys' to show up?

so we are in a very, very large microwave oven ?   who built the oven?

when we were very tiny, and 4 billion years ago, the oven was hotter ?


>
>
> What story did they have for it before that??

toaster oven, then it got upgraded to    Universe 2.0

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#449187

On 8/20/2016 5:15 PM, Sergio wrote:
> On 8/20/2016 1:45 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> TB wrote:
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 11:05:35 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker
>>> wrote:
>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sergio wrote:

>>>>>> On 8/19/2016 3:57 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>> Space is cold and the Stars are hot...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it's like being in a air condition movie theater and seeing
>>>>>>> the hottest stars.
>>>>>>>

>>>>>> so, the movie theater is in Space...... with good seeing, the
>>>>>> hotter stars like the white/bluish ones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, how can an air conditioner work in space? there is no
>>>>>> air to push around
>>>>>
>>>>> How many times did you get left back in the 2nd grade???

>>>>> An air conditionser works like a refriderator...Space is cold,
>>>>>
>>>>> what do you think makes Space cold?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> an airconditioner removes heat from the air, a refriderator
>>>> removes the heat..
>>>>

>>>> Do you know what the device is that removes the heat and makes
>>>> Space cold????
>>>
>>> Space became cold by expanding a whole lot.  At the start of the
>>> Universe, space was really hot, but then it expanded, spreading the
>>> Universe's heat energy over a much wider volume!
>>

>> I was wondering how long it would take for the 'microwave background
>> guys' to show up?
>
> so we are in a very, very large microwave oven ?   who built the oven?

> when we were very tiny, and 4 billion years ago, the oven was hotter ?
>
>
>>
>>
>> What story did they have for it before that??
>
> toaster oven, then it got upgraded to    Universe 2.0

you have been elf retro-graduated to second grade for that!

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#449094

Sergio wrote:
> On 8/19/2016 3:57 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> Space is cold and the Stars are hot...
>>
>> it's like being in a air condition movie theater and seeing the hottest
>> stars.
>>
>
> so, the movie theater is in Space......
> with good seeing,
> the hotter stars like the white/bluish ones.
>
>
>
> But, how can an air conditioner work in space?
> there is no air to push around
>



And THAT boys and girls, is why many of us do not buy the whole "apollo" 
fairytale.
Where the gubberment claimed that men were on the moon in full unrelenting 
sun, where temperatures exceeded 400 C, but air conditioning packs kept them 
from cooking to well done in an hour, and keeping the equipment from 
melting.
How do you get rid of heat, in a vacuum ? 

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#449148

Bast wrote:
> Sergio wrote:
>> On 8/19/2016 3:57 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Space is cold and the Stars are hot...
>>>
>>> it's like being in a air condition movie theater and seeing the
>>> hottest stars.
>>>
>>
>> so, the movie theater is in Space......
>> with good seeing,
>> the hotter stars like the white/bluish ones.
>>
>>
>>
>> But, how can an air conditioner work in space?
>> there is no air to push around
>>
>
>
>
> And THAT boys and girls, is why many of us do not buy the whole
> "apollo" fairytale.
> Where the gubberment claimed that men were on the moon in full
> unrelenting sun, where temperatures exceeded 400 C, but air
> conditioning packs kept them from cooking to well done in an hour,
> and keeping the equipment from melting.
> How do you get rid of heat, in a vacuum ?

Apollo suits used circulating water in a skin-tight underwear with 
circulating cold water.  Heat was transferred from the water to an external 
device in which ice could sublimate, in the vacuum.  This carried away 
enough heat to keep astronauts comfortable, but it used up a certain amount 
of water so EVAs could last only a few hours.

Your silly skepticism is pathetic.  You can look up the details of 
spacesuits on any number of web sites.

-- 
Mike Dworetsky

(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply) 

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#449202

Mike Dworetsky wrote:
> Bast wrote:
>> Sergio wrote:
>>> On 8/19/2016 3:57 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> Space is cold and the Stars are hot...
>>>>
>>>> it's like being in a air condition movie theater and seeing the
>>>> hottest stars.
>>>>
>>>
>>> so, the movie theater is in Space......
>>> with good seeing,
>>> the hotter stars like the white/bluish ones.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But, how can an air conditioner work in space?
>>> there is no air to push around
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> And THAT boys and girls, is why many of us do not buy the whole
>> "apollo" fairytale.
>> Where the gubberment claimed that men were on the moon in full
>> unrelenting sun, where temperatures exceeded 400 C, but air
>> conditioning packs kept them from cooking to well done in an hour,
>> and keeping the equipment from melting.
>> How do you get rid of heat, in a vacuum ?
>
> Apollo suits used circulating water in a skin-tight underwear with
> circulating cold water.  Heat was transferred from the water to an
> external device in which ice could sublimate, in the vacuum.  This
> carried away enough heat to keep astronauts comfortable, but it used up
> a certain amount of water so EVAs could last only a few hours.
>
> Your silly skepticism is pathetic.  You can look up the details of
> spacesuits on any number of web sites.




So while the austronauts were in full sun, in the vacuum of space,.....ICE 
could form in their packs ???
And this was taken care of by some sort of water evaporation ????
Yet there was no sign of any steam being vented, that would be carrying away 
that excess heat

The only pathetic thing is that you have no knowlege of physics or thermo / 
fluid dynamics, and fall for some NASA claptrap on a website.
But ask yourself why over 50 years later, we still have not been able to buy 
such a magical air conditioning system on earth to put in our homes and cars 
?

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#449208

Bast wrote:
> Mike Dworetsky wrote:
>> Bast wrote:
>>> Sergio wrote:
>>>> On 8/19/2016 3:57 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> Space is cold and the Stars are hot...
>>>>>
>>>>> it's like being in a air condition movie theater and seeing the
>>>>> hottest stars.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> so, the movie theater is in Space......
>>>> with good seeing,
>>>> the hotter stars like the white/bluish ones.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But, how can an air conditioner work in space?
>>>> there is no air to push around
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And THAT boys and girls, is why many of us do not buy the whole
>>> "apollo" fairytale.
>>> Where the gubberment claimed that men were on the moon in full
>>> unrelenting sun, where temperatures exceeded 400 C, but air
>>> conditioning packs kept them from cooking to well done in an hour,
>>> and keeping the equipment from melting.
>>> How do you get rid of heat, in a vacuum ?
>>
>> Apollo suits used circulating water in a skin-tight underwear with
>> circulating cold water.  Heat was transferred from the water to an
>> external device in which ice could sublimate, in the vacuum.  This
>> carried away enough heat to keep astronauts comfortable, but it used
>> up a certain amount of water so EVAs could last only a few hours.
>>
>> Your silly skepticism is pathetic.  You can look up the details of
>> spacesuits on any number of web sites.
>
>
>
>
> So while the austronauts were in full sun, in the vacuum of
> space,.....ICE could form in their packs ???

Yes, by design.

> And this was taken care of by some sort of water evaporation ????

No, by refrigeration and sublimation of ice.

> Yet there was no sign of any steam being vented, that would be
> carrying away that excess heat

There was no visible steam because it was direct sublimation of ice to water 
vapor in a vacuum.  Water vapor is invisible, something you do not seem to 
know.  Steam is condensed water vapor.

>
> The only pathetic thing is that you have no knowlege of physics or
> thermo / fluid dynamics, and fall for some NASA claptrap on a website.

I got an "A" in Thermo; what did you get?

If the Apollo missions were faked, the Soviets would have had a wonderful 
time showing the world how the wicked American Capitalists had fooled 
everyone.  They didn't; why not?

> But ask yourself why over 50 years later, we still have not been able
> to buy such a magical air conditioning system on earth to put in our
> homes and cars ?

An air conditioning system based on ice sublimation would not be possible in 
an atmosphere because ice would not sublimate.  But it works perfectly well 
in a vacuum.  I thought you were claiming to know a lot about 
thermodynamics?  Even the system used by the astronauts was a bit of a power 
hog.  Our normal air conditioning systems work fairly well in cars and 
homes.  They use energy to compress gas into a liquid then let it expand 
(reducing in temperature, and exchanging with heat in the air in the car).

-- 
Mike Dworetsky

(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply) 

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#449217

Mike Dworetsky wrote:
> Bast wrote:
>> Mike Dworetsky wrote:
>>> Bast wrote:
>>>> Sergio wrote:
>>>>> On 8/19/2016 3:57 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>> Space is cold and the Stars are hot...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it's like being in a air condition movie theater and seeing the
>>>>>> hottest stars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> so, the movie theater is in Space......
>>>>> with good seeing,
>>>>> the hotter stars like the white/bluish ones.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But, how can an air conditioner work in space?
>>>>> there is no air to push around
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And THAT boys and girls, is why many of us do not buy the whole
>>>> "apollo" fairytale.
>>>> Where the gubberment claimed that men were on the moon in full
>>>> unrelenting sun, where temperatures exceeded 400 C, but air
>>>> conditioning packs kept them from cooking to well done in an hour,
>>>> and keeping the equipment from melting.
>>>> How do you get rid of heat, in a vacuum ?
>>>
>>> Apollo suits used circulating water in a skin-tight underwear with
>>> circulating cold water.  Heat was transferred from the water to an
>>> external device in which ice could sublimate, in the vacuum.  This
>>> carried away enough heat to keep astronauts comfortable, but it used
>>> up a certain amount of water so EVAs could last only a few hours.
>>>
>>> Your silly skepticism is pathetic.  You can look up the details of
>>> spacesuits on any number of web sites.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> So while the austronauts were in full sun, in the vacuum of
>> space,.....ICE could form in their packs ???
>
> Yes, by design.
>
>> And this was taken care of by some sort of water evaporation ????
>
> No, by refrigeration and sublimation of ice.
>
>> Yet there was no sign of any steam being vented, that would be
>> carrying away that excess heat
>
> There was no visible steam because it was direct sublimation of ice to
> water vapor in a vacuum.  Water vapor is invisible, something you do
> not seem to know.  Steam is condensed water vapor.
>
>>
>> The only pathetic thing is that you have no knowlege of physics or
>> thermo / fluid dynamics, and fall for some NASA claptrap on a website.
>
> I got an "A" in Thermo; what did you get?




Among with other STEM courses, a career with lucrative paychecks.
Were you able to even get a job in the fast food industry with YOUR degree ?





>
> If the Apollo missions were faked, the Soviets would have had a
> wonderful time showing the world how the wicked American Capitalists
> had fooled everyone.  They didn't; why not?




They DID, you just were not paying attention.



>
>> But ask yourself why over 50 years later, we still have not been able
>> to buy such a magical air conditioning system on earth to put in our
>> homes and cars ?
>
> An air conditioning system based on ice sublimation would not be
> possible in an atmosphere because ice would not sublimate.  But it
> works perfectly well in a vacuum.  I thought you were claiming to know
> a lot about thermodynamics?  Even the system used by the astronauts was
> a bit of a power hog.  Our normal air conditioning systems work fairly
> well in cars and homes.  They use energy to compress gas into a liquid
> then let it expand (reducing in temperature, and exchanging with heat
> in the air in the car).




No, there is no such thing as you say, as HEAT energy can not be used to 
form ice.
Not even getting into the question of where the water to make the ice would 
come from.
You don't even know how ice sublimation works, and that it would not only 
have been impractical for use by apollo, but downright impossible.

Heat has to be disipated, and those packs had no venting or radiating 
ability whatsoever.
Especially in unrenting direct sunlight without even an atmoshpere to filter 
out any part of the radiation.

And speaking of cars,....even with air around one to disspate heat, a car 
sitting in the sun ON EARTH, gets awfully hot both inside and out.
Now imagine if there were no air around it to disspate even part of that 
heat. Paint would bubble. plastic would melt

You know nothing other than the NASA propaganda fairytales , and are not 
even worth further replies.
....Good day sir.

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#449254

Bast wrote:
> Mike Dworetsky wrote:
>> Bast wrote:
>>> Mike Dworetsky wrote:
>>>> Bast wrote:
>>>>> Sergio wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/19/2016 3:57 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>> Space is cold and the Stars are hot...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it's like being in a air condition movie theater and seeing the
>>>>>>> hottest stars.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so, the movie theater is in Space......
>>>>>> with good seeing,
>>>>>> the hotter stars like the white/bluish ones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, how can an air conditioner work in space?
>>>>>> there is no air to push around
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And THAT boys and girls, is why many of us do not buy the whole
>>>>> "apollo" fairytale.
>>>>> Where the gubberment claimed that men were on the moon in full
>>>>> unrelenting sun, where temperatures exceeded 400 C, but air
>>>>> conditioning packs kept them from cooking to well done in an hour,
>>>>> and keeping the equipment from melting.
>>>>> How do you get rid of heat, in a vacuum ?
>>>>
>>>> Apollo suits used circulating water in a skin-tight underwear with
>>>> circulating cold water.  Heat was transferred from the water to an
>>>> external device in which ice could sublimate, in the vacuum.  This
>>>> carried away enough heat to keep astronauts comfortable, but it
>>>> used up a certain amount of water so EVAs could last only a few
>>>> hours. Your silly skepticism is pathetic.  You can look up the details 
>>>> of
>>>> spacesuits on any number of web sites.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So while the austronauts were in full sun, in the vacuum of
>>> space,.....ICE could form in their packs ???
>>
>> Yes, by design.
>>
>>> And this was taken care of by some sort of water evaporation ????
>>
>> No, by refrigeration and sublimation of ice.
>>
>>> Yet there was no sign of any steam being vented, that would be
>>> carrying away that excess heat
>>
>> There was no visible steam because it was direct sublimation of ice
>> to water vapor in a vacuum.  Water vapor is invisible, something you
>> do not seem to know.  Steam is condensed water vapor.
>>
>>>
>>> The only pathetic thing is that you have no knowlege of physics or
>>> thermo / fluid dynamics, and fall for some NASA claptrap on a
>>> website.
>>
>> I got an "A" in Thermo; what did you get?
>
>
>
>
> Among with other STEM courses, a career with lucrative paychecks.
> Were you able to even get a job in the fast food industry with YOUR
> degree ?

No point replying to lunatics who love to push buttons...

>
>
>
>
>>
>> If the Apollo missions were faked, the Soviets would have had a
>> wonderful time showing the world how the wicked American Capitalists
>> had fooled everyone.  They didn't; why not?
>
>
>
>
> They DID, you just were not paying attention.
>

Do you know what PPOR stands for?

>
>
>>
>>> But ask yourself why over 50 years later, we still have not been
>>> able to buy such a magical air conditioning system on earth to put
>>> in our homes and cars ?
>>
>> An air conditioning system based on ice sublimation would not be
>> possible in an atmosphere because ice would not sublimate.  But it
>> works perfectly well in a vacuum.  I thought you were claiming to
>> know a lot about thermodynamics?  Even the system used by the
>> astronauts was a bit of a power hog.  Our normal air conditioning
>> systems work fairly well in cars and homes.  They use energy to
>> compress gas into a liquid then let it expand (reducing in
>> temperature, and exchanging with heat in the air in the car).
>
>
>
>
> No, there is no such thing as you say, as HEAT energy can not be used
> to form ice.

OK, so tell me how my home freezer works.  It makes lots of ice.

> Not even getting into the question of where the water to make the ice
> would come from.

From the supply used for drinking water, according to NASA.  This is one 
reason why they had to have relatively short EVAs on the surface (a few 
hours).

> You don't even know how ice sublimation works, and that it would not
> only have been impractical for use by apollo, but downright
> impossible.

This explains, I am sure, why NASA says that this is the system they used. 
Don't take my word for it, just look it up yourself.

>
> Heat has to be disipated, and those packs had no venting or radiating
> ability whatsoever.

False.

> Especially in unrenting direct sunlight without even an atmoshpere to
> filter out any part of the radiation.
>
> And speaking of cars,....even with air around one to disspate heat, a
> car sitting in the sun ON EARTH, gets awfully hot both inside and out.
> Now imagine if there were no air around it to disspate even part of
> that heat. Paint would bubble. plastic would melt
>
> You know nothing other than the NASA propaganda fairytales , and are
> not even worth further replies.

OK, let's see, NASA and all the scientists and engineers who worked there on 
the Apollo program and later space missions were fools, ignorant, and liars. 
Yet somehow with all those handicaps they sent men to the Moon, not once but 
several times.  The Russians caught them at it and there were huge headlines 
in all the newspapers, but no one noticed because no one paid any attention 
to headlines.

> ....Good day sir.

Paranoia strikes deep; into your heart it will creep.

Good night.

-- 
Mike Dworetsky

(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply) 

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#449271

"Bast" <fakename@nomail.invalid> wrote:

>So while the austronauts were in full sun, in the vacuum of space,.....ICE 
>could form in their packs ???
>And this was taken care of by some sort of water evaporation ????
>Yet there was no sign of any steam being vented, that would be carrying away 
>that excess heat

Visible steam?  What chilling are you hypothesizing to chill the water
vapour back down to water droplets?  Water vapor is invisible in the
spectrum we see.

>The only pathetic thing is that you have no knowlege of physics or thermo / 
>fluid dynamics, and fall for some NASA claptrap on a website.

I bet S*H*A*W*N* has better knowledge of thermodynamics than you
appear to have (presuming you to not be a troll - something I to to
the point of "gossing" becomign a verb in another newstroup.)  For the
rest of the newsgroup, we've got you beat easily.

>But ask yourself why over 50 years later, we still have not been able to buy 
>such a magical air conditioning system on earth to put in our homes and cars 

Refilling it with ice is a pain.  But for most of that question ...
http://www.homedepot.com/b/Heating-Venting-Cooling-Air-Conditioners-Coolers-Evaporative-Coolers/N-5yc1vZc4lr
http://tinyurl.com/zjpo8ra

-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#449240

"Bast"  wrote in message news:np9ij8$ar5$1@dont-email.me...

Sergio wrote:
> On 8/19/2016 3:57 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> Space is cold and the Stars are hot...
>>
>> it's like being in a air condition movie theater and seeing the hottest
>> stars.
>>
>
> so, the movie theater is in Space......
> with good seeing,
> the hotter stars like the white/bluish ones.
>
>
> But, how can an air conditioner work in space?
> there is no air to push around
>

And THAT boys and girls, is why many of us do not buy the whole "apollo"
fairytale.
Where the gubberment claimed that men were on the moon in full unrelenting
sun, where temperatures exceeded 400 C, but air conditioning packs kept them
from cooking to well done in an hour, and keeping the equipment from
melting.
How do you get rid of heat, in a vacuum ?



*** Once again you furnish us with the evidence of why women (including
the various distortions of LBTG mixes) are not well suited for anything
related to science and its prevailing laws.  Perhaps the old timers had it
right: keep them knocked up and in the kitchen.
Regarding your abject ignorance of the subject of space suit cooling, here
is a simple primer, for a simple mind, like yours:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_Cooling_and_Ventilation_Garment

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#449241

Hägar wrote:
> 
> "Bast"  wrote in message news:np9ij8$ar5$1@dont-email.me...
> 
> Sergio wrote:
> > On 8/19/2016 3:57 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> Space is cold and the Stars are hot...
> >>
> >> it's like being in a air condition movie theater and seeing the hottest
> >> stars.
> >>
> >
> > so, the movie theater is in Space......
> > with good seeing,
> > the hotter stars like the white/bluish ones.
> >
> >
> > But, how can an air conditioner work in space?
> > there is no air to push around
> >
> 
> And THAT boys and girls, is why many of us do not buy the whole "apollo"
> fairytale.
> Where the gubberment claimed that men were on the moon in full unrelenting
> sun, where temperatures exceeded 400 C, but air conditioning packs kept them
> from cooking to well done in an hour, and keeping the equipment from
> melting.
> How do you get rid of heat, in a vacuum ?


If you're talking about How do you get rid of heat in outer space...the
device that does it is called ...a black hole.

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