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| Started by | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2015-07-23 12:11 -0700 |
| Last post | 2015-07-24 04:25 -0400 |
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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-23 12:11 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-23 18:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-23 20:17 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 00:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-24 00:53 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 11:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-24 16:58 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 18:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-24 16:22 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-24 18:32 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-25 12:00 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-25 10:46 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-26 00:20 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-26 06:42 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-26 13:03 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 15:06 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-28 16:08 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-26 13:01 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-26 11:03 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-28 16:08 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-28 18:24 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-29 07:23 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-25 17:20 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-28 16:09 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-28 17:25 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-26 03:54 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-26 13:09 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-27 04:23 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-28 16:09 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-29 03:55 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-29 07:23 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-30 04:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-30 15:18 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-31 04:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 07:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-01 07:29 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-07-31 10:17 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-01 07:32 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-31 16:38 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-01 07:32 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-02 09:56 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-02 10:39 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-02 11:51 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 12:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-02 12:18 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-02 16:18 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-02 10:15 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-02 16:19 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-03 03:11 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-03 09:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-03 16:42 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-03 15:51 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-03 20:30 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-03 18:39 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-04 15:01 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-04 15:36 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 13:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-03 17:56 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-04 15:02 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-04 18:54 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-04 19:35 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 13:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-05 12:56 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-06 19:27 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-06 17:44 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 05:23 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:46 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-06 05:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:49 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:12 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-08 13:17 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 04:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-09 09:41 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:11 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 12:51 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-11 14:10 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-12 03:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-05 04:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 13:59 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-06 05:06 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:51 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-07 19:52 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-07 20:17 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-08 13:19 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 04:54 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-09 09:46 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:15 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 12:53 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-12 03:15 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 01:10 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-06 06:41 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-06 20:42 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 22:28 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 23:07 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 23:14 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 23:45 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-07 09:18 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-07 05:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-07 12:39 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 13:47 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 16:19 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-07 20:11 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 22:21 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 22:26 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-08 09:46 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-08 04:57 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-08 08:32 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-08 08:12 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-08-08 09:30 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-08 09:19 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Anthony Frost <Vulch@vulch.org> - 2015-08-09 10:48 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 11:32 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 12:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-08 14:03 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-08 16:49 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-09 14:58 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-08 19:36 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-09 01:49 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-10 01:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-08-10 07:21 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-08 18:12 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-08 13:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 16:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-08 13:11 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-08 14:06 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-08 14:58 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 04:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 00:00 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-07 05:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 12:22 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-08 09:42 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 04:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-09 07:56 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-09 13:14 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-09 12:59 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:21 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 12:54 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:53 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:31 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-08 13:20 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 05:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-09 09:47 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:22 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 12:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-12 03:17 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-04 05:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-04 15:03 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-08-04 13:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-04 14:48 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-08-04 13:59 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 14:14 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-04 15:35 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-04 15:39 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-05 04:46 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 14:00 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-06 05:07 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:53 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:35 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-08 13:20 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 05:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-09 09:48 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:23 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-07-29 11:15 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-29 13:56 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-29 18:59 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-30 06:43 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-30 04:11 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-07-30 11:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-31 04:03 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-07-31 04:14 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-01 07:34 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-07-31 10:19 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-31 12:06 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-31 21:52 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-01 07:39 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2015-07-31 21:34 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> - 2015-08-02 14:18 +1000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-01 07:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-30 04:10 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-25 11:59 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-24 16:27 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-07-25 10:32 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 09:07 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-25 12:03 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 15:15 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-07-26 10:09 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-26 13:11 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 15:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-28 16:11 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-25 06:36 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-25 12:04 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-07-25 11:31 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-26 13:13 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-25 10:45 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-26 13:14 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-25 17:23 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-25 12:02 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-25 10:46 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-26 13:19 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 15:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-26 13:20 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 15:10 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-07-26 15:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 15:29 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-28 16:14 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-28 16:13 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-07-26 22:45 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-28 16:13 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-07-26 23:03 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-27 18:43 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-24 00:39 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-24 04:25 -0400
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 16:51 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <b1aasa588bg2g87ihj51edvvk5bio3kbaf@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #419210 |
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:06:52 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:59:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >alt.atheism with message-id ><s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com> wrote: > >>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >> >>>On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>alt.atheism with message-id >>><9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >>>>>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >>>>>> etc. >>>>> >>>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >>>> >>>>What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >>>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >> >>>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >>>indirectly, with your bible? >> >>You don't have a clue as to what I have > >So you say, and refuse to elaborate. We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1 >> nor how it is found in the bible. >You evidently can't understand that what is found in that source DOES >NOT MATTER! Not to you that want nothing to do with God. > >>You're >>going to have to do some quick study if you want to engage in serious >>discussion. > >Study what? > >> >>> Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' >>>by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization >>>connected to it? >>>What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? >>>Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? >> >>Yep, exactly what you have after the last eye witnessed died. >> > >Obviously you do not. the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 19:52 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <d2l5okFjuntU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #419354 |
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote: >We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1 If you include apatheist and agnostic, it's probably closer to 3:1 -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 20:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <acb0e242-c12f-4550-94c6-cc98fd6bd061@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #419365 |
On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 9:53:28 PM UTC-4, Greg Goss wrote: > duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote: > > >We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1 > > If you include apatheist and agnostic, it's probably closer to 3:1 Then there are all the non-believers who keep quiet about their skepticism to keep peace in the family, or avoid persecution, or just to keep the nosey parker, busybody evangelistas from godbothering them. To hear christian preachers tell, HUGE amounts of nominal Xtians don't really _believe_ and are goin' to HAAAAALLLE! See also, enthusiasts for other religions similarly exercised over their backsliders and dim lights. Kevin R
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 04:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ogebsa9oeuo922b4esip9uq9jpm9h0loab@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #419354 |
On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:51:42 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in alt.atheism with message-id <b1aasa588bg2g87ihj51edvvk5bio3kbaf@4ax.com> wrote: >On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:06:52 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: > >>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:59:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>alt.atheism with message-id >><s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com> wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>> >>>>On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>><9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >>>>>>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >>>>>>> etc. >>>>>> >>>>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >>>>> >>>>>What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >>>>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >>> >>>>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >>>>indirectly, with your bible? >>> >>>You don't have a clue as to what I have >> >>So you say, and refuse to elaborate. > >We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1 Which means what? Numbers alone prove something? As I have frequently asked and you of course have never answered - does that mean back when your superstition was just starting out and only a few people had even heard of it does that mean the numbers involved made it invalid? Just how many does it take to 'prove' a superstition is valid? > >>> nor how it is found in the bible. > >>You evidently can't understand that what is found in that source DOES >>NOT MATTER! > >Not to you that want nothing to do with God. Because it has never been validated as far as what it says is concerned. How does anyone know it's contents are not pure mythology? After all, a lot of it is a bit unlikely, and physically impossible. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 13:19 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pthcsa1qp81s6n2i2ccjpekv9k2loqptda@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #419396 |
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:19:13 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:51:42 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >alt.atheism with message-id ><b1aasa588bg2g87ihj51edvvk5bio3kbaf@4ax.com> wrote: > >>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:06:52 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:59:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>alt.atheism with message-id >>><s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>>><9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >>>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >>>>>>>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >>>>>> >>>>>>What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >>>>>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >>>> >>>>>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >>>>>indirectly, with your bible? >>>> >>>>You don't have a clue as to what I have >>> >>>So you say, and refuse to elaborate. >> >>We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1 > >Which means what? Numbers alone prove something? Just wanted you to know that you are clearly in a minority. >As I have frequently asked and you of course have never answered - >does that mean back when your superstition was just starting out and >only a few people had even heard of it does that mean the numbers >involved made it invalid? >Just how many does it take to 'prove' a superstition is valid? I would say the answer is one (1). > >> >>>> nor how it is found in the bible. >> >>>You evidently can't understand that what is found in that source DOES >>>NOT MATTER! >> >>Not to you that want nothing to do with God. > >Because it has never been validated as far as what it says is >concerned. How does anyone know it's contents are not pure mythology? >After all, a lot of it is a bit unlikely, and physically impossible. the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 04:54 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <hv4esalk46telejbmg7952m6mmnc6is65l@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #419438 |
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:19:05 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in alt.atheism with message-id <pthcsa1qp81s6n2i2ccjpekv9k2loqptda@4ax.com> wrote: >On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:19:13 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: > >>On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:51:42 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>alt.atheism with message-id >><b1aasa588bg2g87ihj51edvvk5bio3kbaf@4ax.com> wrote: >> >>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:06:52 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>> >>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:59:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>><s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>><9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >>>>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >>>>>>>>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >>>>>>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >>>>> >>>>>>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >>>>>>indirectly, with your bible? >>>>> >>>>>You don't have a clue as to what I have >>>> >>>>So you say, and refuse to elaborate. >>> >>>We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1 >> >>Which means what? Numbers alone prove something? > >Just wanted you to know that you are clearly in a minority. So what? It isn't the first time. And I am in good company. Many people were in a minority when they first took a position, and were later shown to be correct. Sometimes a minority of one. > >>As I have frequently asked and you of course have never answered - >>does that mean back when your superstition was just starting out and >>only a few people had even heard of it does that mean the numbers >>involved made it invalid? >>Just how many does it take to 'prove' a superstition is valid? > >I would say the answer is one (1). Amusing. That would make every superstition valid wouldn't it? Why do you keep mentioning my position is in a minority and most people disagree with me when it only takes one to "validate" something? >> >>> >>>>> nor how it is found in the bible. >>> >>>>You evidently can't understand that what is found in that source DOES >>>>NOT MATTER! >>> >>>Not to you that want nothing to do with God. >> >>Because it has never been validated as far as what it says is >>concerned. How does anyone know it's contents are not pure mythology? >>After all, a lot of it is a bit unlikely, and physically impossible. > -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 09:46 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <6mpesatddc86osfghkug9om4tmqilj6f0v@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #419497 |
On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 04:54:24 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:19:05 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >alt.atheism with message-id ><pthcsa1qp81s6n2i2ccjpekv9k2loqptda@4ax.com> wrote: > >>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:19:13 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >> >>>On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:51:42 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>alt.atheism with message-id >>><b1aasa588bg2g87ihj51edvvk5bio3kbaf@4ax.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:06:52 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:59:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>>><s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>><9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >>>>>>>>>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >>>>>>>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>>>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >>>>>>>indirectly, with your bible? >>>>>> >>>>>>You don't have a clue as to what I have >>>>> >>>>>So you say, and refuse to elaborate. >>>> >>>>We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1 >>> >>>Which means what? Numbers alone prove something? >> >>Just wanted you to know that you are clearly in a minority. > >So what? It isn't the first time. Nor the last. >And I am in good company. Many people were in a minority when they >first took a position, and were later shown to be correct. Sometimes >a minority of one. And I rest my case on my correct position. >>>As I have frequently asked and you of course have never answered - >>>does that mean back when your superstition was just starting out and >>>only a few people had even heard of it does that mean the numbers >>>involved made it invalid? >>>Just how many does it take to 'prove' a superstition is valid? >> >>I would say the answer is one (1). Nope, but as you said, all it takes is one sometimes. >Amusing. That would make every superstition valid wouldn't it? >Why do you keep mentioning my position is in a minority and most >people disagree with me when it only takes one to "validate" >something? All depends on what you're trying to validate. >>>>>> nor how it is found in the bible. >>>> >>>>>You evidently can't understand that what is found in that source DOES >>>>>NOT MATTER! >>>> >>>>Not to you that want nothing to do with God. >>> >>>Because it has never been validated as far as what it says is >>>concerned. How does anyone know it's contents are not pure mythology? >>>After all, a lot of it is a bit unlikely, and physically impossible. I have the same validity of evidence for the cross as you have or the American Revolution. - artifacts, documents, paintings, etc. But no live witnesses, videos, tv cameras, etc. the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-10 05:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6nqgsa54qtjl59k7fb8o1qc26e71dm9enf@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #419509 |
On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 09:46:50 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in alt.atheism with message-id <6mpesatddc86osfghkug9om4tmqilj6f0v@4ax.com> wrote: >On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 04:54:24 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: > >>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:19:05 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>alt.atheism with message-id >><pthcsa1qp81s6n2i2ccjpekv9k2loqptda@4ax.com> wrote: >> >>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:19:13 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>> >>>>On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:51:42 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>><b1aasa588bg2g87ihj51edvvk5bio3kbaf@4ax.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:06:52 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:59:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>><s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>><9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >>>>>>>>>>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >>>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >>>>>>>>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >>>>>>>>indirectly, with your bible? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>You don't have a clue as to what I have >>>>>> >>>>>>So you say, and refuse to elaborate. >>>>> >>>>>We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1 >>>> >>>>Which means what? Numbers alone prove something? >>> >>>Just wanted you to know that you are clearly in a minority. >> >>So what? It isn't the first time. > >Nor the last. Nope. I don't expect it to be. > >>And I am in good company. Many people were in a minority when they >>first took a position, and were later shown to be correct. Sometimes >>a minority of one. > >And I rest my case on my correct position. Nope. You are still wrong. I would point out you were the one who tried to use numbers to support your unsupportable position. > > >>>>As I have frequently asked and you of course have never answered - >>>>does that mean back when your superstition was just starting out and >>>>only a few people had even heard of it does that mean the numbers >>>>involved made it invalid? >>>>Just how many does it take to 'prove' a superstition is valid? >>> >>>I would say the answer is one (1). > >Nope, but as you said, all it takes is one sometimes. Then why did you introduce numbers as if those alone proved you assertion to be correct? > >>Amusing. That would make every superstition valid wouldn't it? > >>Why do you keep mentioning my position is in a minority and most >>people disagree with me when it only takes one to "validate" >>something? > >All depends on what you're trying to validate. No, it doesn't. > >>>>>>> nor how it is found in the bible. >>>>> >>>>>>You evidently can't understand that what is found in that source DOES >>>>>>NOT MATTER! >>>>> >>>>>Not to you that want nothing to do with God. >>>> >>>>Because it has never been validated as far as what it says is >>>>concerned. How does anyone know it's contents are not pure mythology? >>>>After all, a lot of it is a bit unlikely, and physically impossible. > >I have the same validity of evidence for the cross as you have or the American >Revolution. - artifacts, documents, paintings, etc. But no live witnesses, >videos, tv cameras, etc. > Covered elsewhere. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-11 12:53 -0500 |
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On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 05:15:08 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 09:46:50 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >alt.atheism with message-id ><6mpesatddc86osfghkug9om4tmqilj6f0v@4ax.com> wrote: > >>On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 04:54:24 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >> >>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:19:05 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>alt.atheism with message-id >>><pthcsa1qp81s6n2i2ccjpekv9k2loqptda@4ax.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:19:13 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:51:42 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>>><b1aasa588bg2g87ihj51edvvk5bio3kbaf@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:06:52 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:59:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>><s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>>><9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >>>>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >>>>>>>>>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >>>>>>>>>indirectly, with your bible? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>You don't have a clue as to what I have >>>>>>> >>>>>>>So you say, and refuse to elaborate. >>>>>> >>>>>>We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1 >>>>> >>>>>Which means what? Numbers alone prove something? >>>> >>>>Just wanted you to know that you are clearly in a minority. >>> >>>So what? It isn't the first time. >> >>Nor the last. > >Nope. I don't expect it to be. Then we both agree you are in the minority. >>>And I am in good company. Many people were in a minority when they >>>first took a position, and were later shown to be correct. Sometimes >>>a minority of one. >> >>And I rest my case on my correct position. > >Nope. You are still wrong. I would point out you were the one who >tried to use numbers to support your unsupportable position. Go ahead. >>>>>As I have frequently asked and you of course have never answered - >>>>>does that mean back when your superstition was just starting out and >>>>>only a few people had even heard of it does that mean the numbers >>>>>involved made it invalid? >>>>>Just how many does it take to 'prove' a superstition is valid? >>>> >>>>I would say the answer is one (1). >> >>Nope, but as you said, all it takes is one sometimes. > >Then why did you introduce numbers as if those alone proved you >assertion to be correct? To give you reason to accept that you are thus wrong. >>>Amusing. That would make every superstition valid wouldn't it? >> >>>Why do you keep mentioning my position is in a minority and most >>>people disagree with me when it only takes one to "validate" >>>something? >> >>All depends on what you're trying to validate. > >No, it doesn't. Yep. >>>>>>>> nor how it is found in the bible. >>>>>> >>>>>>>You evidently can't understand that what is found in that source DOES >>>>>>>NOT MATTER! >>>>>> >>>>>>Not to you that want nothing to do with God. >>>>> >>>>>Because it has never been validated as far as what it says is >>>>>concerned. How does anyone know it's contents are not pure mythology? >>>>>After all, a lot of it is a bit unlikely, and physically impossible. >> >>I have the same validity of evidence for the cross as you have or the American >>Revolution. - artifacts, documents, paintings, etc. But no live witnesses, >>videos, tv cameras, etc. >> >Covered elsewhere. Nope. the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 03:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <3dslsa98na103mgalbm8rekmnsjl4qe4mk@4ax.com> |
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:53:11 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in alt.atheism with message-id <6hdksa9ei1456majqjlithmd5l0iuu88uu@4ax.com> wrote: >On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 05:15:08 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: > >>On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 09:46:50 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>alt.atheism with message-id >><6mpesatddc86osfghkug9om4tmqilj6f0v@4ax.com> wrote: >> >>>On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 04:54:24 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>> >>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:19:05 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>><pthcsa1qp81s6n2i2ccjpekv9k2loqptda@4ax.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:19:13 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:51:42 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>><b1aasa588bg2g87ihj51edvvk5bio3kbaf@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:06:52 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:59:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>><s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>>>><9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >>>>>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >>>>>>>>>>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >>>>>>>>>>indirectly, with your bible? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>You don't have a clue as to what I have >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>So you say, and refuse to elaborate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1 >>>>>> >>>>>>Which means what? Numbers alone prove something? >>>>> >>>>>Just wanted you to know that you are clearly in a minority. >>>> >>>>So what? It isn't the first time. >>> >>>Nor the last. >> >>Nope. I don't expect it to be. > >Then we both agree you are in the minority. Yep. So what? According to you that must make me correct. > >>>>And I am in good company. Many people were in a minority when they >>>>first took a position, and were later shown to be correct. Sometimes >>>>a minority of one. >>> >>>And I rest my case on my correct position. >> >>Nope. You are still wrong. I would point out you were the one who >>tried to use numbers to support your unsupportable position. > >Go ahead. I just did, you moron. > >>>>>>As I have frequently asked and you of course have never answered - >>>>>>does that mean back when your superstition was just starting out and >>>>>>only a few people had even heard of it does that mean the numbers >>>>>>involved made it invalid? >>>>>>Just how many does it take to 'prove' a superstition is valid? >>>>> >>>>>I would say the answer is one (1). >>> >>>Nope, but as you said, all it takes is one sometimes. >> >>Then why did you introduce numbers as if those alone proved you >>assertion to be correct? > >To give you reason to accept that you are thus wrong. So now numbers prove something? It appears you want it both ways. > >>>>Amusing. That would make every superstition valid wouldn't it? >>> >>>>Why do you keep mentioning my position is in a minority and most >>>>people disagree with me when it only takes one to "validate" >>>>something? >>> >>>All depends on what you're trying to validate. >> >>No, it doesn't. > >Yep. Of course it does. > >>>>>>>>> nor how it is found in the bible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>You evidently can't understand that what is found in that source DOES >>>>>>>>NOT MATTER! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Not to you that want nothing to do with God. >>>>>> >>>>>>Because it has never been validated as far as what it says is >>>>>>concerned. How does anyone know it's contents are not pure mythology? >>>>>>After all, a lot of it is a bit unlikely, and physically impossible. >>> >>>I have the same validity of evidence for the cross as you have or the American >>>Revolution. - artifacts, documents, paintings, etc. But no live witnesses, >>>videos, tv cameras, etc. >>> >>Covered elsewhere. > >Nope. > Of course it was, but your denial doesn't allow you to admit it for some reason. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 01:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #419129 |
Attila < wrote: > > On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in > alt.atheism with message-id > <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > > >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: > > > >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > >>> etc. > >> > >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > > > >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > > > > What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > connected to it? > > What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > > Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? “Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 06:41 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <906854b6-d90c-47d0-981e-63064a3ce3dd@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #419207 |
On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 4:10:07 AM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote: > Attila < wrote: > > > > On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in > > alt.atheism with message-id > > <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > > > > >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: > > > > > >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > > >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > > >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > > >>> etc. > > >> > > >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > > > > > >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > > >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > > > > > > > What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > > indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > > by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > > connected to it? > > > > What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > > > > Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > > > "Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works--a teacher of such > men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > extinct at this day." > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus [quote] Scholarly opinion varies on the total or partial authenticity of the reference in Book 18, Chapter 3, 3 of the Antiquities, a passage that states that Jesus the Messiah was a wise teacher who was crucified by Pilate, usually called the Testimonium Flavianum.[4][5][1] The general scholarly view is that while the Testimonium Flavianum is most likely not authentic in its entirety, it is broadly agreed upon that it originally consisted of an authentic nucleus, which was then subject to Christian expansion/alteration. [5][6][7][8][9][10] Although the exact nature and extent of the Christian redaction remains unclear,[11] there is broad consensus as to what the original text of the Testimonium by Josephus would have looked like.[9] [/quote] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus One doesn't have to be a believer to allow that a man, known to some as Yeshua bar Yussuf, Issa, Jesus Christ, etc, may have lived in what is modern day Israel/Palestine. The legends may have accreted to the historical personage, or Jesus may be a completely legendary person. It still comes down to a matter of belief. I'm considering starting a philosophy I call astarmakerism. Kevin R
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 20:42 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <glv7sa1seaqn0ko9hfhvjhsgmj08d689ic@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #419207 |
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >Attila < wrote: >> >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >> alt.atheism with message-id >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >> >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >> > >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >> >>> etc. >> >> >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >> > >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >> > >> >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization >> connected to it? >> >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? >> >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > > >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not >extinct at this day.” >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent verification from any other sources supporting him. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 22:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55C441F1.4E46@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #419269 |
Attila < wrote: > > On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >Attila < wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in > >> alt.atheism with message-id > >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > >> > >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: > >> > > >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > >> >>> etc. > >> >> > >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > >> > > >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > >> > > >> > >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > >> connected to it? > >> > >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > >> > >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > > > > > >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such > >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > >extinct at this day.” > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > > It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries > ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent > verification from any other sources supporting him. > I'm shocked. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 23:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55C44B14.3BF8@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #419293 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > Attila < wrote: > > > > On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker > > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > > <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > >Attila < wrote: > > >> > > >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in > > >> alt.atheism with message-id > > >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: > > >> > > > >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > > >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > > >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > > >> >>> etc. > > >> >> > > >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > > >> > > > >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > > >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > > >> > > > >> > > >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > > >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > > >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > > >> connected to it? > > >> > > >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > > >> > > >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > > > > > > > > >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > > >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such > > >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > > >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > > >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > > >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > > >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > > >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > > >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > > >extinct at this day.” > > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > > > > It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries > > ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent > > verification from any other sources supporting him. > > > > I'm shocked. http://alivecampus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/shocked_face.jpg
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 23:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55C44CD8.3DA5@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #419297 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Attila < wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker > > > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > > > <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > >Attila < wrote: > > > >> > > > >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in > > > >> alt.atheism with message-id > > > >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > > > >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > > > >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > > > >> >>> etc. > > > >> >> > > > >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > > > >> > > > > >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > > > >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > > > >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > > > >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > > > >> connected to it? > > > >> > > > >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > > > >> > > > >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > > > > > > > > > > > >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > > > >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such > > > >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > > > >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > > > >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > > > >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > > > >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > > > >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > > > >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > > > >extinct at this day.” > > > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > > > > > > It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries > > > ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent > > > verification from any other sources supporting him. > > > > > > > I'm shocked. > > http://alivecampus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/shocked_face.jpg how about this guy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ “Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 23:45 -0700 |
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The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > Attila < wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker > > > > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > > > > <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Attila < wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in > > > > >> alt.atheism with message-id > > > > >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > > > > >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > > > > >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > > > > >> >>> etc. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > > > > >> > > > > > >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > > > > >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > > > > >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > > > > >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > > > > >> connected to it? > > > > >> > > > > >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > > > > >> > > > > >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > > > > >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such > > > > >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > > > > >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > > > > >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > > > > >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > > > > >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > > > > >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > > > > >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > > > > >extinct at this day.” > > > > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > > > > > > > > It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries > > > > ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent > > > > verification from any other sources supporting him. > > > > > > > > > > I'm shocked. > > > > http://alivecampus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/shocked_face.jpg > > how about this guy? > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ > > “Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and > inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their > abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the > name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of > Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a > most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke > out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, > where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find > their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made > of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense > multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as > of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their > deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and > perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and > burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.” > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
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| From | bilgat@m.nu |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 09:18 -0500 |
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On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 23:45:46 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >The Starmaker wrote: >> >> The Starmaker wrote: >> > >> > The Starmaker wrote: and as usual we get starfart replying to himself replying to himself replying to himself <snip the crap noone reads anyway>
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 05:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <vkt8sa5nu09e1k873pubm6n51o0hk238k6@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #419299 |
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 23:14:48 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <55C44CD8.3DA5@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >The Starmaker wrote: >> >> The Starmaker wrote: >> > >> > Attila < wrote: >> > > >> > > On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker >> > > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> > > <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > >Attila < wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >> > > >> alt.atheism with message-id >> > > >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >> > > >> > >> > > >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >> > > >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >> > > >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >> > > >> >>> etc. >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >> > > >> > >> > > >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >> > > >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >> > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >> > > >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' >> > > >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization >> > > >> connected to it? >> > > >> >> > > >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? >> > > >> >> > > >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to >> > > >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such >> > > >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of >> > > >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when >> > > >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned >> > > >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, >> > > >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine >> > > >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things >> > > >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not >> > > >extinct at this day.” >> > > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus >> > > >> > > It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries >> > > ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent >> > > verification from any other sources supporting him. >> > > >> > >> > I'm shocked. >> >> http://alivecampus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/shocked_face.jpg > > > >how about this guy? > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ > > > >“Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and >inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their >abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the >name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of >Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a >most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke >out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, >where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find >their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made >of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense >multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as >of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their >deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and >perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and >burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.” > > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ How about him? It appears he was born after the events supposedly occurred and the major players were dead therefore the could not have seen anything himself but must have worked from third party accounts. Were these verified accounts? What were they and how were they verified? This only raises the same questions and hardly qualifies as verification itself does it? -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 12:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b6caedfb-a91d-4aaf-ad2d-4a47448672a3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #419299 |
On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 2:14:51 AM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote: > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > Attila < wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker > > > > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > > > > <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Attila < wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in > > > > >> alt.atheism with message-id > > > > >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > > > > >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > > > > >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > > > > >> >>> etc. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > > > > >> > > > > > >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > > > > >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > > > > >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > > > > >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > > > > >> connected to it? > > > > >> > > > > >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > > > > >> > > > > >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > > > > >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works--a teacher of such > > > > >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > > > > >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > > > > >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > > > > >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > > > > >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > > > > >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > > > > >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > > > > >extinct at this day." > > > > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > > > > > > > > It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries > > > > ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent > > > > verification from any other sources supporting him. > > > > > > > > > > I'm shocked. > > > > http://alivecampus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/shocked_face.jpg > > > > how about this guy? > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ > > > > "Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and > inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their > abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the > name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of > Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a > most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke > out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, > where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find > their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made > of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense > multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as > of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their > deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and > perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and > burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired." > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ GoTo the 1st para @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus Born circa 56 CE Died 117 CE So, he was on the scene 23 years after the traditional death date for the Nazarene, 33 CE. He wasn't a contemporary of Jesus. Thank you for playing. Kevin R
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