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| Started by | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2026-06-24 17:54 -0500 |
| Last post | 2026-06-26 16:25 -0400 |
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“Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 17:54 -0500
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> - 2026-06-25 08:22 -0700
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2026-06-25 16:32 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-06-25 13:12 -0400
Re: �Hegseth Hails First Test of America�s �Golden Dome� Missile Defense Shield� Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2026-06-25 09:57 -0700
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> - 2026-06-26 08:25 -0700
Re_ Hegseth Hails First Test of America_s Golden Dome Missile Defense Shield quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-06-28 08:54 +0000
Re: Re_ Hegseth Hails First Test of America_s Golden Dome Missile Defense Shield kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-06-28 08:37 -0400
Re: Re_ Hegseth Hails First Test of America_s Golden Dome Missile Defense Shield Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 13:31 -0400
Re: Re_ Hegseth Hails First Test of America_s Golden Dome Missile Defense Shield kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-06-28 21:12 -0400
Re: Re_ Hegseth Hails First Test of America_s Golden Dome Missile Defense Shield quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-06-29 00:40 +0000
Re: Re_ Hegseth Hails First Test of America_s Golden Dome Missile Defense Shield Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 13:27 -0400
Re: Re_ Hegseth Hails First Test of America_s Golden Dome Missile Defense Shield Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 23:46 +0000
Re: Re_ Hegseth Hails First Test of America_s Golden Dome Missile Defense Shield Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 23:51 +0000
Re: Re_ Hegseth Hails First Test of America_s Golden Dome Missile Defense Shield quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-06-29 00:48 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 23:35 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-06-25 18:45 -0500
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-26 02:07 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-06-25 21:51 -0500
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-26 03:57 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-06-26 09:29 -0400
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-06-26 15:11 -0500
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-06-26 15:08 -0500
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-06-26 17:23 -0400
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 07:23 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Chris Thompson <the_thompsons@earthlink.net> - 2026-06-26 22:39 -0400
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-06-27 15:17 -0500
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Chris Thompson <the_thompsons@earthlink.net> - 2026-06-28 01:10 -0400
Re: "Hegseth Hails First Test of America's "Golden Dome" Missile Defense Shield" Don <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-06-28 18:59 +0000
Re: "Hegseth Hails First Test of America's "Golden Dome" Missile Defense Shield" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-28 23:29 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 02:05 -0500
Re: Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-06-29 06:52 -0400
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 15:17 -0500
Re: Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-30 01:20 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” oldernow <oldernow@dev.null> - 2026-06-30 11:28 +0000
Re: Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-06-30 15:01 -0400
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 15:20 -0400
Re: Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-30 20:51 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-30 02:51 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Chris Thompson <the_thompsons@earthlink.net> - 2026-06-29 23:50 -0400
Re: Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-30 14:12 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> - 2026-06-30 08:11 -0700
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 15:31 -0500
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-06-26 09:20 -0400
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 00:23 +0000
Re: Hails First Test of Missile Defense Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-07-01 18:44 -0300
Re: Hails First Test of Missile Defense kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-01 18:46 -0400
Re: Hails First Test of Missile Defense Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 18:23 -0500
Re: Hails First Test of Missile Defense Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-01 23:54 +0000
Re: Hails First Test of Missile Defense kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-01 20:16 -0400
Re: Hails First Test of Missile Defense Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-02 00:24 +0000
Re: Hails First Test of Missile Defense scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-07-02 14:54 +0000
Re: Hails First Test of Missile Defense Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> - 2026-07-02 08:29 -0700
Re: Hails First Test of Missile Defense quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-07-02 15:25 +0000
Re: Hails First Test of Missile Defense Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 00:22 +0000
Re: Hails First Test of Missile Defense Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> - 2026-07-03 08:35 -0700
Re: Hails First Test of Missile Defense oldernow <oldernow@dev.null> - 2026-07-03 15:53 +0000
Re: Hails First Test of Missile Defense kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-03 12:28 -0400
Re: Hails First Test of Missile Defense Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> - 2026-07-04 08:37 -0700
Re: Hails First Test of Missile Defense Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2026-07-03 09:52 -0700
Re: Hails First Test of Missile Defense Don <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-07-07 15:26 +0000
Re: Hails First Test of Missile Defense kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-02 17:16 -0400
Re: Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-26 14:33 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> - 2026-06-26 08:37 -0700
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 00:51 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-06-26 23:30 -0500
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 07:03 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-06-27 12:36 -0400
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-06-27 14:35 -0400
Re: Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-06-27 16:31 -0400
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:12 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> - 2026-06-28 09:14 -0700
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-06-29 06:40 -0400
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:16 -0700
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 22:33 +0000
the Cold War, was Missile Defense danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2026-06-29 22:43 +0000
Re: the Cold War, was Missile Defense Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-30 02:55 +0000
Re: the Cold War, was Missile Defense danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2026-06-30 03:09 +0000
Re: the Cold War, was Missile Defense Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-30 04:51 +0000
Re: the Cold War, was Missile Defense kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-06-30 09:04 -0400
Re: the Cold War, was Missile Defense kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-06-30 08:55 -0400
Re: the Cold War, was Missile Defense scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-30 14:08 +0000
Re: the Cold War, was Missile Defense Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> - 2026-06-30 08:34 -0700
Re: the Cold War, was Missile Defense William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 15:23 -0400
Re: the Cold War, was Missile Defense Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-30 21:38 +0000
Re: the Cold War, was Missile Defense Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-30 21:47 +0000
Re: the Cold War, was Missile Defense Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> - 2026-07-01 08:17 -0700
Re: the Cold War, was Missile Defense oldernow <oldernow@dev.null> - 2026-07-02 14:36 +0000
Re: the Cold War, was Missile Defense quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-07-02 15:38 +0000
Re: the Cold War, was Missile Defense oldernow <oldernow@dev.null> - 2026-07-02 16:55 +0000
Re: the Cold War, was Missile Defense kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-01 12:28 -0400
Re: the Cold War, was Missile Defense quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-07-02 15:29 +0000
Re: the Cold War, was Missile Defense Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-03 00:25 +0000
Re: the Cold War, was Missile Defense quadibloc@invalid.com (John Savard) - 2026-07-13 07:53 +0000
Re: the Cold War, was Missile Defense kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-13 14:11 -0400
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-06-28 13:58 -0400
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:32 -0700
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 15:51 -0400
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-29 22:31 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 12:13 -0400
Re: Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-29 17:01 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Torbjorn Lindgren <tl@none.invalid> - 2026-06-28 18:44 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America ’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2026-06-28 10:11 -0400
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-27 18:39 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-26 14:27 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-06-26 23:31 -0500
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> - 2026-06-28 09:16 -0700
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 02:37 -0500
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:35 -0700
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 15:41 -0500
Re: Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-30 01:21 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” oldernow <oldernow@dev.null> - 2026-06-30 11:29 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-06-30 09:10 -0400
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” oldernow <oldernow@dev.null> - 2026-06-30 14:16 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-30 02:57 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 22:10 -0500
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-30 04:54 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 00:13 -0500
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-30 07:36 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-06-30 09:01 -0400
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> - 2026-06-30 08:25 -0700
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> - 2026-06-30 08:22 -0700
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> - 2026-06-26 08:29 -0700
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-06-26 12:00 -0400
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 00:31 +0000
Re: “Hegseth Hails First Test of America’s “Golden Dome” Missile Defense Shield” kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-06-26 16:25 -0400
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| From | kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) |
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| Date | 2026-06-26 09:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <111lur3$hgm$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #658622 |
Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 21:51:30 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote: > >> I think that Israel will end up saying screw it and nuking Iran. > >That would make them even less popular than they are already. JD Vance >already said the quiet part out loud: This is true but the question is whether they actually care about that. They have certainly done much to produce sympathy in the mideast for Iran. which was generally looked upon by most mideastern nations as kind of crazy. >Any use of nukes would bring the Security Council down hard. The US >would find it very hard to resist the pressure not to veto any >resolution on action against Israel. I seriously doubt that Israel has 300 nukes, but they likely do have one. Are they crazy enough to actually use it on Iran? I don't think so because I don't think they really care that much about Iran except insofar as Iran is providing support that is keeping them from completely taking over Palestine. They care a whole lot about Palestine. But I wouldn't rule it out, because Netanyahu is a loose cannon and has not always done the logical thing. I think it's also important to make a distinction between "what Israel wants" and "what Netanyahu wants." This isn't really Trump's war.... this is Netanyahu's war and Trump just hired on because he thought he could get an easy win out of it. Netanyahu started it and he is the one who is going to have to end it. Trump is having a great time making up peace plans but he's not the guy running the war. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-26 15:11 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <111mmec$puhi$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #658625 |
On 6/26/2026 8:29 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 21:51:30 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>
>>> I think that Israel will end up saying screw it and nuking Iran.
>>
>> That would make them even less popular than they are already. JD Vance
>> already said the quiet part out loud:
>
> This is true but the question is whether they actually care about that.
>
> They have certainly done much to produce sympathy in the mideast for Iran.
> which was generally looked upon by most mideastern nations as kind of crazy.
>
>> Any use of nukes would bring the Security Council down hard. The US
>> would find it very hard to resist the pressure not to veto any
>> resolution on action against Israel.
>
> I seriously doubt that Israel has 300 nukes, but they likely do have one.
> Are they crazy enough to actually use it on Iran? I don't think so because
> I don't think they really care that much about Iran except insofar as Iran
> is providing support that is keeping them from completely taking over
> Palestine. They care a whole lot about Palestine.
>
> But I wouldn't rule it out, because Netanyahu is a loose cannon and has not
> always done the logical thing.
>
> I think it's also important to make a distinction between "what Israel wants"
> and "what Netanyahu wants."
>
> This isn't really Trump's war.... this is Netanyahu's war and Trump just
> hired on because he thought he could get an easy win out of it. Netanyahu
> started it and he is the one who is going to have to end it. Trump is having
> a great time making up peace plans but he's not the guy running the war.
> --scott
Israel has three breeder reactors constantly making high purity plutonium.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimon_Peres_Negev_Nuclear_Research_Center
Lynn
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-26 15:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <111mm7p$puhi$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #658622 |
On 6/25/2026 10:57 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 21:51:30 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote: > >> I think that Israel will end up saying screw it and nuking Iran. > > That would make them even less popular than they are already. JD Vance > already said the quiet part out loud: > > “Donald J. Trump is the only head of state in the entire world who > is sympathetic to the nation of Israel at this moment in time. And > he happens to be the head of state of the world's superpower. If I > was in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I might not be > attacking the only powerful ally I have left.” > > Any use of nukes would bring the Security Council down hard. The US > would find it very hard to resist the pressure not to veto any > resolution on action against Israel. > > Particularly since the whole Iran affair is already reaching the > limits of the 🇺🇸President’s somewhat short attention span ... Do you really think that Israel can get more hated now? Lynn
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| From | William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-26 17:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <111mqk3$r8qr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #658641 |
Lynn McGuire wrote: > On 6/25/2026 10:57 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 21:51:30 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote: >> >>> I think that Israel will end up saying screw it and nuking Iran. >> >> That would make them even less popular than they are already. JD Vance >> already said the quiet part out loud: >> >> “Donald J. Trump is the only head of state in the entire world who >> is sympathetic to the nation of Israel at this moment in time. And >> he happens to be the head of state of the world's superpower. If I >> was in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I might not be >> attacking the only powerful ally I have left.” >> >> Any use of nukes would bring the Security Council down hard. The US >> would find it very hard to resist the pressure not to veto any >> resolution on action against Israel. >> >> Particularly since the whole Iran affair is already reaching the >> limits of the 🇺🇸President’s somewhat short attention span ... > > Do you really think that Israel can get more hated now? Yes. William Hyde
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-27 07:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <111ntq7$13kh7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #658641 |
On Fri, 26 Jun 2026 15:08:23 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote: > Do you really think that Israel can get more hated now? You know, it’s funny. Every time I hear the US leadership talk about how Iran are such bad guys because they kill Americans, I keep thinking of the increasing number of Americans that Israel has killed, and got away with it. Not so much as a tut-tut from the US leadership over the actions of somebody who’s supposed to be their close ally. You’d think that a society that claims to love “freedom” so much would consider nothing more important than the welfare of its own citizens. Well, this particular society clearly does consider something else more important.
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| From | Chris Thompson <the_thompsons@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-26 22:39 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <111nd47$vq6k$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #658622 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 21:51:30 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote: > >> I think that Israel will end up saying screw it and nuking Iran. > > That would make them even less popular than they are already. JD Vance > already said the quiet part out loud: > > “Donald J. Trump is the only head of state in the entire world who > is sympathetic to the nation of Israel at this moment in time. And > he happens to be the head of state of the world's superpower. If I > was in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I might not be > attacking the only powerful ally I have left.” > > Any use of nukes would bring the Security Council down hard. The US > would find it very hard to resist the pressure not to veto any > resolution on action against Israel. > > Particularly since the whole Iran affair is already reaching the > limits of the 🇺🇸President’s somewhat short attention span ... > Forget the security council. If Israel nukes Iran- and especially if they target any of the holy cities- I am betting there would be a response in kind from Pakistan- who has a lot more nukes than Israel. Chris
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-27 15:17 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <111pb4l$36ls1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #658653 |
On 6/26/2026 9:39 PM, Chris Thompson wrote:
> Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 21:51:30 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>
>>> I think that Israel will end up saying screw it and nuking Iran.
>>
>> That would make them even less popular than they are already. JD Vance
>> already said the quiet part out loud:
>>
>> “Donald J. Trump is the only head of state in the entire world who
>> is sympathetic to the nation of Israel at this moment in time. And
>> he happens to be the head of state of the world's superpower. If I
>> was in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I might not be
>> attacking the only powerful ally I have left.”
>>
>> Any use of nukes would bring the Security Council down hard. The US
>> would find it very hard to resist the pressure not to veto any
>> resolution on action against Israel.
>>
>> Particularly since the whole Iran affair is already reaching the
>> limits of the 🇺🇸President’s somewhat short attention span ...
>>
>
> Forget the security council. If Israel nukes Iran- and especially if
> they target any of the holy cities- I am betting there would be a
> response in kind from Pakistan- who has a lot more nukes than Israel.
>
> Chris
How do you know this?
And does Pakistan have delivery systems for their antiquated ultra heavy
nuclear weapons that weigh around ten tons each?
The Israelis have several cruise missile 200 kt nuclear weapons on each
of their submarines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin-class_submarine
Lynn
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| From | Chris Thompson <the_thompsons@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-28 01:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <111qabk$3djhn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #658664 |
Lynn McGuire wrote: > On 6/26/2026 9:39 PM, Chris Thompson wrote: >> Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 21:51:30 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote: >>> >>>> I think that Israel will end up saying screw it and nuking Iran. >>> >>> That would make them even less popular than they are already. JD Vance >>> already said the quiet part out loud: >>> >>> “Donald J. Trump is the only head of state in the entire world who >>> is sympathetic to the nation of Israel at this moment in time. And >>> he happens to be the head of state of the world's superpower. If I >>> was in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I might not be >>> attacking the only powerful ally I have left.” >>> >>> Any use of nukes would bring the Security Council down hard. The US >>> would find it very hard to resist the pressure not to veto any >>> resolution on action against Israel. >>> >>> Particularly since the whole Iran affair is already reaching the >>> limits of the 🇺🇸President’s somewhat short attention span ... >>> >> >> Forget the security council. If Israel nukes Iran- and especially if >> they target any of the holy cities- I am betting there would be a >> response in kind from Pakistan- who has a lot more nukes than Israel. >> >> Chris > > How do you know this? > > And does Pakistan have delivery systems for their antiquated ultra heavy > nuclear weapons that weigh around ten tons each? > > The Israelis have several cruise missile 200 kt nuclear weapons on each > of their submarines. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin-class_submarine > > Lynn > Ten tons. You've been sucking petro fumes too long. Chris
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| From | Don <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-28 18:59 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: "Hegseth Hails First Test of America's "Golden Dome" Missile Defense Shield" |
| Message-ID | <20260628a@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #658668 |
> You've been sucking petro fumes too long.
"Huffing," it's colloquially called "huffing gas." Huffing the
intoxicating, highly suggestive, flamboyant gas emitted by Western
windbags increases the risk of gaslighting:
"Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation in
which a person or a group covertly sows seeds of doubt
in a targeted individual or group, making them question
their own memory, perception, or judgment."
--
Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. veritas _|_
telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. liberabit |
tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' vos |
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-28 23:29 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: "Hegseth Hails First Test of America's "Golden Dome" Missile Defense Shield" |
| Message-ID | <111sao3$3ua8h$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #658700 |
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 18:59:34 -0000 (UTC), Don wrote:
> "Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation in which a
> person or a group covertly sows seeds of doubt in a targeted
> individual or group, making them question their own memory,
> perception, or judgment."
“Anyone who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
atrocities.”
-- Voltaire
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-29 02:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <111t5fl$5r8g$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #658668 |
On 6/28/2026 12:10 AM, Chris Thompson wrote: > Lynn McGuire wrote: >> On 6/26/2026 9:39 PM, Chris Thompson wrote: >>> Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 21:51:30 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think that Israel will end up saying screw it and nuking Iran. >>>> >>>> That would make them even less popular than they are already. JD Vance >>>> already said the quiet part out loud: >>>> >>>> “Donald J. Trump is the only head of state in the entire world who >>>> is sympathetic to the nation of Israel at this moment in time. And >>>> he happens to be the head of state of the world's superpower. If I >>>> was in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I might not be >>>> attacking the only powerful ally I have left.” >>>> >>>> Any use of nukes would bring the Security Council down hard. The US >>>> would find it very hard to resist the pressure not to veto any >>>> resolution on action against Israel. >>>> >>>> Particularly since the whole Iran affair is already reaching the >>>> limits of the 🇺🇸President’s somewhat short attention span ... >>>> >>> >>> Forget the security council. If Israel nukes Iran- and especially if >>> they target any of the holy cities- I am betting there would be a >>> response in kind from Pakistan- who has a lot more nukes than Israel. >>> >>> Chris >> >> How do you know this? >> >> And does Pakistan have delivery systems for their antiquated ultra >> heavy nuclear weapons that weigh around ten tons each? >> >> The Israelis have several cruise missile 200 kt nuclear weapons on >> each of their submarines. >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin-class_submarine >> >> Lynn >> > > Ten tons. > > You've been sucking petro fumes too long. > > Chris Do you have better information? If so, please enlighten me. Lynn
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| From | kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) |
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| Date | 2026-06-29 06:52 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <111tiop$4iu$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #658712 |
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote: >Do you have better information? If so, please enlighten me. 1. The Pakistanis have some nukes, likely more than a hundred, and they are based on both the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs. Yes, they are heavy, but they are not hundreds of tons heavy. Watch the videos of the setup for the Trinity Test. Most importantly, they have actually tested some of them so we can be assured they will work. 2. Israel has some bombs. As many as 100? Probably not, but close. They are likely plutonium bombs and so a bit more convenient. Israel has probably never tested any of them, so there's no assurance they will work when needed. It's possible they did a shared test in '79 but nobody is sure. 3. Iran doesn't have any bombs. Before this war, they had some uranium enriched to 60% and at one point they had facilities to enrich farther. They don't have any source of plutonium although they are wanting to build some power reactors which will produce plutonium as a byproduct. What has been lost in the war is still not very well known. The nice thing about plutonium is that it can just be separated chemically and there isn't the difficulty of separating isotopes. At this point delivery systems are a non-issue. You put a bomb into a box and have fedex ship it to your enemy. Just like horsehoes, you only need to get close, you don't need to be right on the target. --scott > >Lynn > -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-29 15:17 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <111ujs5$jv15$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #658716 |
On 6/29/2026 5:52 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Do you have better information? If so, please enlighten me.
>
> 1. The Pakistanis have some nukes, likely more than a hundred, and they are
> based on both the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs. Yes, they are heavy, but
> they are not hundreds of tons heavy. Watch the videos of the setup for the
> Trinity Test.
>
> Most importantly, they have actually tested some of them so we can be assured
> they will work.
>
> 2. Israel has some bombs. As many as 100? Probably not, but close. They
> are likely plutonium bombs and so a bit more convenient. Israel has probably
> never tested any of them, so there's no assurance they will work when needed.
> It's possible they did a shared test in '79 but nobody is sure.
>
> 3. Iran doesn't have any bombs. Before this war, they had some uranium
> enriched to 60% and at one point they had facilities to enrich farther.
> They don't have any source of plutonium although they are wanting to build
> some power reactors which will produce plutonium as a byproduct. What has
> been lost in the war is still not very well known.
>
> The nice thing about plutonium is that it can just be separated chemically
> and there isn't the difficulty of separating isotopes.
>
> At this point delivery systems are a non-issue. You put a bomb into a box
> and have fedex ship it to your enemy. Just like horsehoes, you only need to
> get close, you don't need to be right on the target.
> --scott
Who said the Pakstani nukes are hundreds of tons each? I said ten tons
each like the Fat Man nuke. However, this disagrees with me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
Trump has stated that Iran has five nuclear weapons and then he shut up.
The size and type have not been stated, nor any other details. I
cannot find where I read this a couple of weeks ago.
It also rumored that South Africa bought several nukes from the
Pakistanis a couple of decades ago and that Taiwan bought several nukes
from the Pakistanis.
Lynn
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2026-06-30 01:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XRE0S.376797$ipI1.15801@fx15.iad> |
| In reply to | #658730 |
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes: >On 6/29/2026 5:52 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: >Trump has stated that Iran has five nuclear weapons and then he shut up. > The size and type have not been stated, nor any other details. I >cannot find where I read this a couple of weeks ago. You probably read it on the gateway dumbshit site, or perhaps whats not up with that or the falun gong mountpiece. All of which you've quoted repeatedly, none of which are known for accurate reporting.
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| From | oldernow <oldernow@dev.null> |
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| Date | 2026-06-30 11:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn1147a3q.90q.oldernow@oldernow.jethrick.com> |
| In reply to | #658735 |
On 2026-06-30, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: > Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes: >>On 6/29/2026 5:52 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: > >> Trump has stated that Iran has five nuclear >> weapons and then he shut up. The size and >> type have not been stated, nor any other >> details. I cannot find where I read this a >> couple of weeks ago. > > You probably read it on the gateway dumbshit > site, or perhaps whats not up with that or > the falun gong mountpiece. All of which you've > quoted repeatedly, none of which are known for > accurate reporting. You sound surprised, despite the fact that's exactly what everyone does. -- v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v | alt.troll.adam-h-kerman: proof that the | | internet sometimes gets something right | ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^
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| From | kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) |
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| Date | 2026-06-30 15:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11213qk$hqm$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #658735 |
In article <XRE0S.376797$ipI1.15801@fx15.iad>, Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote: >Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes: >>On 6/29/2026 5:52 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: > >>Trump has stated that Iran has five nuclear weapons and then he shut up. >> The size and type have not been stated, nor any other details. I >>cannot find where I read this a couple of weeks ago. > >You probably read it on the gateway dumbshit site, or perhaps whats >not up with that or the falun gong mountpiece. All of which you've >quoted repeatedly, none of which are known for accurate reporting. I am being misquoted here. I did not say any of this. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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| From | Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-30 15:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <11214t7$1bno7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #658764 |
On 6/30/2026 3:01 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: > In article <XRE0S.376797$ipI1.15801@fx15.iad>, > Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote: >> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes: >>> On 6/29/2026 5:52 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: >> >>> Trump has stated that Iran has five nuclear weapons and then he shut up. >>> The size and type have not been stated, nor any other details. I >>> cannot find where I read this a couple of weeks ago. >> >> You probably read it on the gateway dumbshit site, or perhaps whats >> not up with that or the falun gong mountpiece. All of which you've >> quoted repeatedly, none of which are known for accurate reporting. > > I am being misquoted here. I did not say any of this. > --scott If you count the '>' signs, its clear that Scott is attributing this to Lynn. pt
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2026-06-30 20:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <q%V0S.4$toFb.1@fx37.iad> |
| In reply to | #658765 |
Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes: >On 6/30/2026 3:01 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: >> In article <XRE0S.376797$ipI1.15801@fx15.iad>, >> Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote: >>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes: >>>> On 6/29/2026 5:52 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: >>> >>>> Trump has stated that Iran has five nuclear weapons and then he shut up. >>>> The size and type have not been stated, nor any other details. I >>>> cannot find where I read this a couple of weeks ago. >>> >>> You probably read it on the gateway dumbshit site, or perhaps whats >>> not up with that or the falun gong mountpiece. All of which you've >>> quoted repeatedly, none of which are known for accurate reporting. >> >> I am being misquoted here. I did not say any of this. >> --scott > >If you count the '>' signs, its clear that Scott is attributing this >to Lynn. Yes. Granted, I should have snipped the attribution line for the text that had been snipped.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-30 02:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <111vb09$phcs$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #658730 |
On Mon, 29 Jun 2026 15:17:08 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote: > Trump has stated that Iran has five nuclear weapons and then he shut > up. None of his intelligence advisors have indicated that Iran is anywhere close to having nuclear weapon capability. Netanyahu, on the other hand, has been claiming that Iran is close, perhaps even months, away from developing just such a capability ... for about the last 20 years. You can tell where Trump is getting his information from.
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| From | Chris Thompson <the_thompsons@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-29 23:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <111vedk$qds9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #658712 |
Lynn McGuire wrote: > On 6/28/2026 12:10 AM, Chris Thompson wrote: >> Lynn McGuire wrote: >>> On 6/26/2026 9:39 PM, Chris Thompson wrote: >>>> Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 21:51:30 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think that Israel will end up saying screw it and nuking Iran. >>>>> >>>>> That would make them even less popular than they are already. JD Vance >>>>> already said the quiet part out loud: >>>>> >>>>> “Donald J. Trump is the only head of state in the entire world >>>>> who >>>>> is sympathetic to the nation of Israel at this moment in time. >>>>> And >>>>> he happens to be the head of state of the world's superpower. >>>>> If I >>>>> was in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I might not be >>>>> attacking the only powerful ally I have left.” >>>>> >>>>> Any use of nukes would bring the Security Council down hard. The US >>>>> would find it very hard to resist the pressure not to veto any >>>>> resolution on action against Israel. >>>>> >>>>> Particularly since the whole Iran affair is already reaching the >>>>> limits of the 🇺🇸President’s somewhat short attention span ... >>>>> >>>> >>>> Forget the security council. If Israel nukes Iran- and especially if >>>> they target any of the holy cities- I am betting there would be a >>>> response in kind from Pakistan- who has a lot more nukes than Israel. >>>> >>>> Chris >>> >>> How do you know this? >>> >>> And does Pakistan have delivery systems for their antiquated ultra >>> heavy nuclear weapons that weigh around ten tons each? >>> >>> The Israelis have several cruise missile 200 kt nuclear weapons on >>> each of their submarines. >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin-class_submarine >>> >>> Lynn >>> >> >> Ten tons. >> >> You've been sucking petro fumes too long. >> >> Chris > > Do you have better information? If so, please enlighten me. > > Lynn > Google "Pakistan nuclear weapons" You'll see that their warheads are mounted on short, medium and intermediate range ballistic missiles. A typical missile is the Ababeel which carries 3 MIRVs of 500kg each. Other warheads are mounted on cruise missiles launched from Mirage fighters- which absolutely do not have a payload of 10 tons. Now, why don't you tell us where you got such a preposterous number of 10 tons? CT
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