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| First post | 2018-11-17 15:22 +0000 |
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YASID: Different value for pi eichler2@comcastsucks.net (Bice) - 2018-11-17 15:22 +0000
YASID: Different value for pi andrewelovejr@msn.com - 2018-11-17 08:49 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2018-11-17 17:08 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi eichler2@comcastsucks.net (Bice) - 2018-11-18 00:42 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi andrewelovejr@msn.com - 2018-11-17 16:47 -0800
YASID: Different value for pi andrewelovejr@msn.com - 2018-11-17 08:51 -0800
YASID: Different value for pi andrewelovejr@msn.com - 2018-11-17 08:52 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-11-17 09:37 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> - 2018-11-17 11:41 -0700
Re: YASID: Different value for pi djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-11-17 20:02 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 16:48 -0500
Re: YASID: Different value for pi "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 16:22 -0600
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2018-11-18 13:17 -0500
Re: YASID: Different value for pi djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-11-18 21:02 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-11-19 11:40 -0600
Re: YASID: Different value for pi "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 17:01 -0600
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-11-18 07:31 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-11-18 16:26 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-11-18 19:52 -0700
Re: YASID: Different value for pi D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-11-19 03:33 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-11-19 01:33 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-11-19 15:01 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-11-19 16:23 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-11-19 13:48 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-11-19 22:32 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2018-11-19 23:55 +0100
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 15:36 -0700
Re: YASID: Different value for pi D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-11-20 00:57 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-11-20 01:47 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-11-20 04:41 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 17:21 -0600
Re: YASID: Different value for pi D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-11-20 00:35 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 13:36 -0600
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-11-18 23:04 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-11-18 11:44 -0500
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-11-19 01:41 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 08:49 -0500
Re: YASID: Different value for pi D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-11-17 22:46 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi "Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.com> - 2018-11-17 18:38 -0600
Re: YASID: Different value for pi J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 15:58 -0500
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-11-18 19:55 -0700
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-11-18 23:08 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-11-19 01:37 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi andrewelovejr@msn.com - 2018-11-19 03:58 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-11-19 07:42 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 08:56 -0500
Re: YASID: Different value for pi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-19 14:32 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-11-19 07:45 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 14:56 -0500
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 12:28 -0700
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 12:58 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 15:26 -0700
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-11-19 15:42 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 20:25 -0500
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-11-19 20:45 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-11-19 22:29 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 06:52 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-12-04 14:23 -0600
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 21:47 -0600
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 06:53 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 06:13 -0500
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 06:56 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 14:26 -0700
Re: YASID: Different value for pi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-24 19:49 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2018-11-24 21:44 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-11-24 14:36 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-11-25 01:24 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-11-24 13:58 -0700
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-11-24 23:20 -0700
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-11-24 22:51 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 11:13 -0600
Re: YASID: Different value for pi David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-12-04 14:21 -0600
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 12:30 -0700
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-12-05 00:13 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-12-05 08:10 -0700
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-12-05 08:56 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-12-05 11:01 -0700
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-12-05 15:56 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-12-06 17:54 -0600
Re: YASID: Different value for pi "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2018-12-08 17:32 -0600
Re: YASID: Different value for pi David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-12-14 00:34 -0600
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2019-01-01 15:39 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2019-01-01 18:36 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2019-01-01 20:45 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2019-01-01 15:50 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-01 19:13 -0500
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2019-01-01 16:41 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2019-01-02 04:09 +0100
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2019-01-03 14:56 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-12-06 10:19 -0700
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 12:32 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-11-19 15:20 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 15:44 -0700
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-11-18 10:39 -0700
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-11-18 12:58 -0700
Re: YASID: Different value for pi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-11-17 19:14 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 18:34 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 22:44 -0500
Re: YASID: Different value for pi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-11-18 05:12 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-11-18 03:43 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-11-18 09:56 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-11-18 14:19 -0500
Re: YASID: Different value for pi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-11-18 19:23 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-11-18 15:36 -0500
Re: YASID: Different value for pi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-11-18 21:06 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-11-18 13:06 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-11-18 21:04 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-11-18 18:08 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-11-19 03:22 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2018-11-19 17:57 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-11-19 20:39 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-18 21:14 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-11-19 10:07 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-11-18 17:59 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2018-11-19 21:57 +1100
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-26 16:43 -0500
Re: YASID: Different value for pi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-11-26 22:07 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 14:10 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-11-26 23:00 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-11-26 15:11 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-11-26 15:38 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-26 17:52 -0500
Re: YASID: Different value for pi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-27 00:27 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-11-27 00:53 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-26 22:11 -0500
Re: YASID: Different value for pi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-11-27 04:09 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-27 10:03 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-12-04 14:28 -0600
Re: YASID: Different value for pi "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-12-05 18:35 -0500
Re: YASID: Different value for pi "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2018-12-07 22:44 +1100
Re: YASID: Different value for pi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-11-18 04:57 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-11-18 03:27 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi eichler2@comcastsucks.net (Bice) - 2019-01-03 22:05 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2019-01-04 09:02 -0700
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| From | Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-19 01:33 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <199c77a3-e4fa-4f80-b85b-3803cb36441f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #502667 |
On Monday, 19 November 2018 03:33:51 UTC, D B Davis wrote: > Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote: > > djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes: > > > >> In article <1c7cdeff-f60a-4002-99e9-533d79196dfb@googlegroups.com>, > >> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: > >>>The round thing in the bible could be oval, as far as I can tell. > >>>But religious apologists, as they're called, don't have that amongst > >>>their various explanations, possibly because it doesn't allow you > >>>to deny that the original statement is in any way peculiar. > >>>A flavour of anti-scepticism that probably contributed, a bit, > >>>to my eventually abandoning religious belief. > >>> > >>>Another interpretation that fits the context, I think, is that > >>>the object never existed but is being included in an insurance > >>>claim after the first destruction of the temple in Jerusalem. > >>>The redundant measurements possibly are on the insurance form... > >> > >> Heh. > >>> > >>>How does salt lose its savour anyway? Sodium chloride isn't > >>>transmuted to a different substance in everyday use. And if it > >>>is, then it isn't much good for clearing paths, either. > >> > >> Probably by picking up impurities. > > > > Googling, the likeliest bet (other than noting that it wasn't a > > chemistry lesson) is the salt itself being dissolved in water, and > > eventually leaving nothing but the impurities. > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_5:13 > > Dissolution's first definition involves the breakdown of minerals such > as salt. Its second definition concerns debauched living. > Can anyone cite the Biblical book, chapter, and verse that talks > about ?fbason? ? > > ✍ > > Thank you, > > -- > Don I'm seeing "fbason". I put it into ROT13 code. That's "sonfba". Odd. Do you mean "the last shall be first and vice versa"? Fun math thing: 0.142857 (or 142857) times a number between 2 and 6 presents the same digits In the same order but with a different start. This is related to the fact that 1/7 is 0.142857142857142857 etc.
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2018-11-19 15:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20181119a@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #502684 |
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: > On Monday, 19 November 2018 03:33:51 UTC, D B Davis wrote: <snip> >> Can anyone cite the Biblical book, chapter, and verse that talks >> about ?fbason? ? > I'm seeing "fbason". > > I put it into ROT13 code. > > That's "sonfba". > > Odd. > > Do you mean "the last shall be first and vice versa"? > > Fun math thing: 0.142857 (or 142857) times a number between > 2 and 6 presents the same digits In the same order but with > a different start. This is related to the fact that 1/7 is > 0.142857142857142857 etc. ??? Your followup doesn't make a lot of sense to me. ✍ Thank you, -- Don
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2018-11-19 16:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20181119b@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #502697 |
D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>> On Monday, 19 November 2018 03:33:51 UTC, D B Davis wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>> Can anyone cite the Biblical book, chapter, and verse that talks
>>> about ?fbason? ?
>
>> I'm seeing "fbason".
>>
>> I put it into ROT13 code.
>>
>> That's "sonfba".
>>
>> Odd.
>>
>> Do you mean "the last shall be first and vice versa"?
>>
>> Fun math thing: 0.142857 (or 142857) times a number between
>> 2 and 6 presents the same digits In the same order but with
>> a different start. This is related to the fact that 1/7 is
>> 0.142857142857142857 etc.
>
> ??? Your followup doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Actually, on second thought, your followup sort of makes sense. It
reminds me of a google answer. Although a google answer can contain
interesting tidbits it often leaves the researcher, the guy who asks the
question, to wonder, "WTF did all that come from?"
But, it's all good. Did you ever hear the old Microsoft joke about
a lost helicopter in Seattle on a cloudy and hazy day?
http://alunthomasevans.blogspot.com/2007/10/old-microsoft-joke.html
✍
Thank you,
--
Don
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| From | Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-19 13:48 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <10f5ce5d-bf6d-44e8-8835-d45a821f98f9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #502704 |
On Monday, 19 November 2018 16:23:43 UTC, D B Davis wrote: > D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote: > > Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, 19 November 2018 03:33:51 UTC, D B Davis wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > >>> Can anyone cite the Biblical book, chapter, and verse that talks > >>> about ?fbason? ? > > > >> I'm seeing "fbason". > >> > >> I put it into ROT13 code. > >> > >> That's "sonfba". > >> > >> Odd. > >> > >> Do you mean "the last shall be first and vice versa"? > >> > >> Fun math thing: 0.142857 (or 142857) times a number between > >> 2 and 6 presents the same digits In the same order but with > >> a different start. This is related to the fact that 1/7 is > >> 0.142857142857142857 etc. > > > > ??? Your followup doesn't make a lot of sense to me. > > Actually, on second thought, your followup sort of makes sense. It > reminds me of a google answer. Although a google answer can contain > interesting tidbits it often leaves the researcher, the guy who asks the > question, to wonder, "WTF did all that come from?" > But, it's all good. Did you ever hear the old Microsoft joke about > a lost helicopter in Seattle on a cloudy and hazy day? > > http://alunthomasevans.blogspot.com/2007/10/old-microsoft-joke.html I heard, or read it about IBM. Can I just check again whether you intended to ask: "Can anyone cite the Biblical book, chapter, and verse that talks about ?fbason? ?" Because that's what I saw. If that's in a bible in English, I think it's a misprint - less controversial than "Thou shalt commit adultery", but puzzling. But if it's in the original Klingon language, who knows.
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2018-11-19 22:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20181119c@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #502723 |
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
<snip>
> Can I just check again whether you intended to ask:
>
> "Can anyone cite the Biblical book, chapter, and verse that
> talks about ?fbason? ?"
>
> Because that's what I saw.
>
> If that's in a bible in English, I think it's a misprint -
> less controversial than "Thou shalt commit adultery", but puzzling.
> But if it's in the original Klingon language, who knows.
Upthread Dorothy told a story about scripturists who wanted to make a
law that proclaimed pi equal to three. This desire supposedly originated
with a Biblical verse. IIRC "fbason" got mentioned at the time.
Who knows? It might be an old wive's tale. If that's case it's best
avoided per 1 Tim 4:7b "avoid foolish fables and old wives' tales."
✍
Thank you,
--
Don
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| From | Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> |
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| Date | 2018-11-19 23:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5bf33f61$0$25653$e4fe514c@textnews.kpn.nl> |
| In reply to | #502725 |
On 19-11-2018 23:32, D B Davis wrote: > Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: > > <snip> > >> Can I just check again whether you intended to ask: >> >> "Can anyone cite the Biblical book, chapter, and verse that >> talks about ?fbason? ?" >> >> Because that's what I saw. >> >> If that's in a bible in English, I think it's a misprint - >> less controversial than "Thou shalt commit adultery", but puzzling. >> But if it's in the original Klingon language, who knows. > > Upthread Dorothy told a story about scripturists who wanted to make a > law that proclaimed pi equal to three. This desire supposedly originated > with a Biblical verse. IIRC "fbason" got mentioned at the time. > Who knows? It might be an old wive's tale. If that's case it's best > avoided per 1 Tim 4:7b "avoid foolish fables and old wives' tales." > > ✍ > > Thank you, > That effectively denounces all of the bible.....
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| From | Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-19 15:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA99F9ECECAE7taustingmail@69.16.179.43> |
| In reply to | #502725 |
D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote in news:20181119c@crcomp.net:
> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Can I just check again whether you intended to ask:
>>
>> "Can anyone cite the Biblical book, chapter, and verse that
>> talks about ?fbason? ?"
>>
>> Because that's what I saw.
>>
>> If that's in a bible in English, I think it's a misprint -
>> less controversial than "Thou shalt commit adultery", but
>> puzzling. But if it's in the original Klingon language, who
>> knows.
>
> Upthread Dorothy told a story about scripturists who wanted to
> make a law that proclaimed pi equal to three. This desire
> supposedly originated with a Biblical verse. IIRC "fbason" got
> mentioned at the time.
> Who knows? It might be an old wive's tale. If that's case
> it's best
> avoided per 1 Tim 4:7b "avoid foolish fables and old wives'
> tales."
As mentioned above, it had nothing to do with religion, on with a
wingnut amateur mathematician (who apparently wanted to get
royalties on his "revolutionary" discovery).
The House introduced the bill, and at one point referred it to the
Committee on Swamplands, then passed it.
The Senate, however, was advised by an actual mathematician, and
spend a half an hour making bad puns about it, before tabling in
indefinitely. Mostly, apparently, because major newspapers were
already making fun of *them* for even considering it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill
Blaming it on religious wingnuts says far more about about bias of
the person doing teh blaming than the bill, or religious wingnuts.
None of it complimentary.
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2018-11-20 00:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20181119e@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #502733 |
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote: > D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote in news:20181119c@crcomp.net: > >> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >> >> <snip> >> >>> Can I just check again whether you intended to ask: >>> >>> "Can anyone cite the Biblical book, chapter, and verse that >>> talks about ?fbason? ?" >>> >>> Because that's what I saw. >>> >>> If that's in a bible in English, I think it's a misprint - >>> less controversial than "Thou shalt commit adultery", but >>> puzzling. But if it's in the original Klingon language, who >>> knows. >> >> Upthread Dorothy told a story about scripturists who wanted to >> make a law that proclaimed pi equal to three. This desire >> supposedly originated with a Biblical verse. IIRC "fbason" got >> mentioned at the time. >> Who knows? It might be an old wive's tale. If that's case >> it's best >> avoided per 1 Tim 4:7b "avoid foolish fables and old wives' >> tales." > > As mentioned above, it had nothing to do with religion, on with a > wingnut amateur mathematician (who apparently wanted to get > royalties on his "revolutionary" discovery). > > The House introduced the bill, and at one point referred it to the > Committee on Swamplands, then passed it. > > The Senate, however, was advised by an actual mathematician, and > spend a half an hour making bad puns about it, before tabling in > indefinitely. Mostly, apparently, because major newspapers were > already making fun of *them* for even considering it. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill > > Blaming it on religious wingnuts says far more about about bias of > the person doing teh blaming than the bill, or religious wingnuts. > None of it complimentary. Scientific wingnut innate insanity ironically scapegoats the Bible, in a manner of speaking. ✍ Thank you, -- Don
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-11-20 01:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pIGyB3.1wFs@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #502725 |
In article <20181119c@crcomp.net>, D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote: >Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: > ><snip> > >> Can I just check again whether you intended to ask: >> >> "Can anyone cite the Biblical book, chapter, and verse that >> talks about ?fbason? ?" >> >> Because that's what I saw. >> >> If that's in a bible in English, I think it's a misprint - >> less controversial than "Thou shalt commit adultery", but puzzling. >> But if it's in the original Klingon language, who knows. > >Upthread Dorothy told a story about scripturists who wanted to make a >law that proclaimed pi equal to three. This desire supposedly originated >with a Biblical verse. IIRC "fbason" got mentioned at the time. > Who knows? It might be an old wive's tale. If that's case it's best >avoided per 1 Tim 4:7b "avoid foolish fables and old wives' tales." It's a typo. The word was "bason" (17th century variant of "basin") and the [f] got in somehow. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2018-11-20 04:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20181119f@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #502744 |
Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
> In article <20181119c@crcomp.net>, D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>>Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>> Can I just check again whether you intended to ask:
>>>
>>> "Can anyone cite the Biblical book, chapter, and verse that
>>> talks about ?fbason? ?"
>>>
>>> Because that's what I saw.
>>>
>>> If that's in a bible in English, I think it's a misprint -
>>> less controversial than "Thou shalt commit adultery", but puzzling.
>>> But if it's in the original Klingon language, who knows.
>>
>>Upthread Dorothy told a story about scripturists who wanted to make a
>>law that proclaimed pi equal to three. This desire supposedly originated
>>with a Biblical verse. IIRC "fbason" got mentioned at the time.
>> Who knows? It might be an old wive's tale. If that's case it's best
>>avoided per 1 Tim 4:7b "avoid foolish fables and old wives' tales."
>
> It's a typo. The word was "bason" (17th century variant of
> "basin") and the [f] got in somehow.
A Torah website [1] argues that the absence of Biblical irrationality is
due to "the sages [who] were uncertain if the word kav were masculine or
feminine so they wrote it one way and read it another."
The word kav brings to mind gematriot, which in turn brings to mind
_Perry Rhodan_'s immortals. Immortal "language consists of pictorial
symbols, geometrical signs and strange characters. Besides, it is
composed in a complicated code, which can be intrepreted only by the
positronic brain."
Note.
1. http://daatemet.org.il/en/torah-science-ethics/scientific-errors-in-torah/what-the-sages-knew-about-pi/
✍
Thank you,
--
Don
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| From | "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-19 17:21 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <psvgj3$jb2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #502723 |
On 19/11/2018 15.48, Robert Carnegie wrote: > On Monday, 19 November 2018 16:23:43 UTC, D B Davis wrote: >> D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote: >>> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >>>> On Monday, 19 November 2018 03:33:51 UTC, D B Davis wrote: > Can I just check again whether you intended to ask: > > "Can anyone cite the Biblical book, chapter, and verse that > talks about ?fbason? ?" I would guess that's a munging of "basin". The passage in question is: <https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Kings+7%3A23&version=NIV> -- Michael F. Stemper There's no "me" in "team". There's no "us" in "team", either.
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2018-11-20 00:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20181119d@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #502730 |
Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 19/11/2018 15.48, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>> On Monday, 19 November 2018 16:23:43 UTC, D B Davis wrote:
>>> D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>>>> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, 19 November 2018 03:33:51 UTC, D B Davis wrote:
>
>> Can I just check again whether you intended to ask:
>>
>> "Can anyone cite the Biblical book, chapter, and verse that
>> talks about ?fbason? ?"
>
> I would guess that's a munging of "basin". The passage in question is:
>
> <https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Kings+7%3A23&version=NIV>
You're a good man. This is very interesting. My Catholic Bible printed
in 1951 contains the pertinent passage in III Kings 7:23.
23 He made also a molten sea of ten cubits from brim to
brim, round all about; the height of it was five cubits, and
a line of thirty cubits compassed it round about.
✍
Thank you,
--
Don
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| From | "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-20 13:36 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <pt1nnv$g6k$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #502739 |
On 19/11/2018 18.35, D B Davis wrote: > Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 19/11/2018 15.48, Robert Carnegie wrote: >>> On Monday, 19 November 2018 16:23:43 UTC, D B Davis wrote: >>>> D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote: >>>>> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Monday, 19 November 2018 03:33:51 UTC, D B Davis wrote: >> >>> Can I just check again whether you intended to ask: >>> >>> "Can anyone cite the Biblical book, chapter, and verse that >>> talks about ?fbason? ?" >> >> I would guess that's a munging of "basin". The passage in question is: >> >> <https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Kings+7%3A23&version=NIV> > > You're a good man. This is very interesting. My Catholic Bible printed > in 1951 contains the pertinent passage in III Kings 7:23. > > 23 He made also a molten sea of ten cubits from brim to > brim, round all about; the height of it was five cubits, and > a line of thirty cubits compassed it round about. Presumably that would be the Douay translation of the Old Testament. Following Ruth, it has 1 Kings 2 Kings 3 Kings 4 Kings 1 Paralipomenen 2 Paralipomenen Newer translations that Douay title these books as 1 Samuel 2 Samuel 1 Kings 2 Kings 1 Chronicles 2 Chronicles So the "1 Kings" that I pointed to corresponds to the "3 Kings" you mentioned. -- Michael F. Stemper This sentence no verb.
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2018-11-18 23:04 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <d8e0b666-0bf7-48f0-be15-ba1163bf0fed@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #502664 |
On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 7:52:41 PM UTC-7, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: > djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes: > > > In article <1c7cdeff-f60a-4002-99e9-533d79196dfb@googlegroups.com>, > > Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: > >>The round thing in the bible could be oval, as far as I can tell. > >>But religious apologists, as they're called, don't have that amongst > >>their various explanations, possibly because it doesn't allow you > >>to deny that the original statement is in any way peculiar. > >>A flavour of anti-scepticism that probably contributed, a bit, > >>to my eventually abandoning religious belief. > >> > >>Another interpretation that fits the context, I think, is that > >>the object never existed but is being included in an insurance > >>claim after the first destruction of the temple in Jerusalem. > >>The redundant measurements possibly are on the insurance form... > > > > Heh. > >> > >>How does salt lose its savour anyway? Sodium chloride isn't > >>transmuted to a different substance in everyday use. And if it > >>is, then it isn't much good for clearing paths, either. > > > > Probably by picking up impurities. > > Googling, the likeliest bet (other than noting that it wasn't a > chemistry lesson) is the salt itself being dissolved in water, and > eventually leaving nothing but the impurities. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_5:13 Or instead just acquiring enough additional impurities to mask its taste. Anyways, in the Bible quote in question, it's strictly presented as a hypothetical to illustrate a point, so Biblical inerrancy is not threatened by that being impossible. John Savard
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-18 11:44 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <9i53vd5m9q7403buqbev7f6808s4aloplp@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #502624 |
On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 07:31:59 -0800 (PST), Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >The round thing in the bible could be oval, as far as I can tell. >But religious apologists, as they're called, don't have that amongst >their various explanations, possibly because it doesn't allow you >to deny that the original statement is in any way peculiar. >A flavour of anti-scepticism that probably contributed, a bit, >to my eventually abandoning religious belief. > >Another interpretation that fits the context, I think, is that >the object never existed but is being included in an insurance >claim after the first destruction of the temple in Jerusalem. >The redundant measurements possibly are on the insurance form... While this has a certain humor, most insurance policies exclude "acts of war"--the insurance companies really _don't_ want to be responsible for such activities as rebuilding Dresden after the firestorm. >How does salt lose its savour anyway? Sodium chloride isn't >transmuted to a different substance in everyday use. And if it >is, then it isn't much good for clearing paths, either.
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| From | Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-19 01:41 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <0f5ebca9-1831-4487-8ba4-33c165840c39@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #502626 |
On Sunday, 18 November 2018 16:44:25 UTC, J. Clarke wrote: > On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 07:31:59 -0800 (PST), Robert Carnegie > <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: > > >The round thing in the bible could be oval, as far as I can tell. > >But religious apologists, as they're called, don't have that amongst > >their various explanations, possibly because it doesn't allow you > >to deny that the original statement is in any way peculiar. > >A flavour of anti-scepticism that probably contributed, a bit, > >to my eventually abandoning religious belief. > > > >Another interpretation that fits the context, I think, is that > >the object never existed but is being included in an insurance > >claim after the first destruction of the temple in Jerusalem. > >The redundant measurements possibly are on the insurance form... > > While this has a certain humor, most insurance policies exclude "acts > of war"--the insurance companies really _don't_ want to be responsible > for such activities as rebuilding Dresden after the firestorm. True, but war reparations (which probably don't really apply to my case either) are less funny.
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-19 08:49 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <cnf5vdheoiqpetdlsban7f60i0h95cilje@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #502686 |
On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 01:41:57 -0800 (PST), Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >On Sunday, 18 November 2018 16:44:25 UTC, J. Clarke wrote: >> On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 07:31:59 -0800 (PST), Robert Carnegie >> <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >> >> >The round thing in the bible could be oval, as far as I can tell. >> >But religious apologists, as they're called, don't have that amongst >> >their various explanations, possibly because it doesn't allow you >> >to deny that the original statement is in any way peculiar. >> >A flavour of anti-scepticism that probably contributed, a bit, >> >to my eventually abandoning religious belief. >> > >> >Another interpretation that fits the context, I think, is that >> >the object never existed but is being included in an insurance >> >claim after the first destruction of the temple in Jerusalem. >> >The redundant measurements possibly are on the insurance form... >> >> While this has a certain humor, most insurance policies exclude "acts >> of war"--the insurance companies really _don't_ want to be responsible >> for such activities as rebuilding Dresden after the firestorm. > >True, but war reparations (which probably don't really apply >to my case either) are less funny. Since the location in question was successfully conquered in a time when conquerors didn't give back what they conquered after the fighting was over,, there were no "war reparations". The conquerors took whatever they felt like taking and kept it until someone else conquered _them_.
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2018-11-17 22:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20181117b@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #502585 |
Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: > In article <53fdd436-77ae-4fad-b843-1245cea897c4@googlegroups.com>, > Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >>Pi is 3 in Bob Shaw's _The Ragged Astronauts_, which I think >>I've complained about before - specifically the pi thing, >>though I also found the monsters very unpleasant. Pi isn't >>a choice, and it bothers me when a story says that it is. > > Except when it's close enough for government work^H^H^H^H^H^H^H... > estimating. If I'm making a garment and I know what I want the circumference of > the neckline to be, and I need to find the radius to set the > compass to, I calculate pi-D for pi=3, halve D, and it's close > enough. > > You'll recall the story of some dumb State legislature that > wanted to make pi=3 official; fortunately it was shot down. They > were going by the Biblical description of a fbason" (a vat of > some kind) that was ten cubits across and had thirty decorative > "bosses" on its rim, each a cubit from the next. That equates to > pi=3, but when it's something that size (a cubit is the length of a > man's forearm from elbow to fingertip), that's close enough. > > Modern engineers, making a ballpark estimate, use pi=3 before > they get down to the actual design, where they have to be more > accurate. Close enough for pie, you might say. ✍ Thank you, -- Don
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| From | "Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-17 18:38 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <psqc9c$j91$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #502585 |
On 11/17/2018 02:02 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > Hey, you build your vat approximately 10 cubits across, and you > take your 30 bosses and lay them out till they look symmetrical > to the Mark 1 eyeball, and then weld them on. When my daughter > was small, I made her a gown with daisies ~evenly spaced around > the hem. I stuck pins in the hem, and moved them here and there > till they*looked* even, and then started embroidering. First go through on this I was thinking I was lucky never to have had that many bosses at one time but there were some I'd be happy to weld to something.
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-17 15:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <q301vdpf4veb2tttcio41ainbt4rgodlms@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #502579 |
On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 09:37:10 -0800 (PST), Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >Pi is 3 in Bob Shaw's _The Ragged Astronauts_, which I think >I've complained about before - specifically the pi thing, >though I also found the monsters very unpleasant. Pi isn't >a choice, and it bothers me when a story says that it is. >Another story, in a twentieth century setting, has a character >making their computer search in digits of pi for a message >from God. That has always interested me as a concept. Go enough digits in and you should find something that _looks_ like that. What would be impressive would be if it came in different languages with an index and told where to find the same message in e. >And I think Star Trek's _Memory Prime_ has a >community of super-computers that happen to have worked out >several interesting facts that they weren't asked for and >haven't told their human associates, one being that their >pi is eventually a repeating decimal. > >I wonder if <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibniz_formula_for_?> >will link since the last symbol of the URL is the letter pi. >This shows that a deceptively simple formula with no geometry >produces the exact value of pi... gradually! So there isn't >really room to change it - although Jesus had an interesting >way with math if you gave him enough small loaves and fish >to work with.
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