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  Examples where authors messed up Timelines Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2016-06-04 22:23 -0700
    Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2016-06-05 06:47 -0700
      Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-06-05 10:01 -0700
        Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-06-06 21:19 -0500
    Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2016-06-05 08:37 -0700
    Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines lenona321@yahoo.com - 2016-06-05 10:57 -0700
      Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-06-05 18:33 +0000
        Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines lenona321@yahoo.com - 2016-06-05 11:43 -0700
          Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-06-05 20:40 +0000
            Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 17:22 -0400
          Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-06-09 01:29 +0000
            Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines lenona321@yahoo.com - 2016-06-09 07:54 -0700
              Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-06-09 12:35 -0400
                Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines lenona321@yahoo.com - 2016-06-09 12:45 -0700
              Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-06-10 21:46 -0600
                Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines lenona321@yahoo.com - 2016-06-11 09:35 -0700
                Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-06-11 14:06 -0400
                  Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-06-11 23:32 +0000
                    Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-06-11 23:49 -0400
                      Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-06-12 04:34 +0000
                      Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-13 22:32 -0700
                        Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-06-14 14:09 -0400
            Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Joe Bernstein <joe@sfbooks.com> - 2016-06-09 09:17 -0700
              Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-06-09 18:35 +0000
                Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2016-06-09 21:31 -0700
                  Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-06-10 05:16 +0000
                Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-06-10 02:37 -0500
                  Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-08-04 18:41 -0400
              Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines lenona321@yahoo.com - 2016-06-09 11:56 -0700
                Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Joe Bernstein <joe@sfbooks.com> - 2016-06-09 18:55 -0700
              Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-06-09 21:04 +0100
              Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines leif.roar@dimnakorr.com - 2016-06-10 03:24 -0500
                Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-06-10 15:00 +0000
                Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-10 14:05 -0700
          Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Richard Botting <rjbotting03@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 09:59 -0700
            Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines lenona321@yahoo.com - 2016-06-23 17:57 -0700
              Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-06-25 00:16 +0000
        Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Brenda <brendawriter@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-11 22:01 -0400
          Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-06-11 21:13 -0600
            Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-06-12 02:04 -0400
            Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-06-12 07:18 +0000
              Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-12 06:57 -0400
          Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-06-12 06:24 +0000
            Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-12 10:44 +0300
              Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2016-06-12 05:48 -0700
                Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-06-12 13:28 -0700
                  Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-06-12 14:53 -0600
            Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-06-12 20:46 -0500
          Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Jesper Lauridsen <rorschak@sorrystofanet.dk> - 2016-07-14 00:04 +0000
    Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-06-06 03:57 -0700
      Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-06-06 11:30 -0400
        Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2016-06-07 00:49 +0000
          Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-06-06 19:52 -0600
            Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-06-06 21:25 -0500
            Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-06 20:59 -0600
          Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 20:25 -0700
            Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2016-06-07 05:02 +0000
              Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-06-07 05:09 +0000
                Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2016-06-07 05:51 +0000
                  Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-06-07 06:21 +0000
                    Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2016-06-06 23:31 -0700
                      Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-06-07 09:43 +0100
                        Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Stephen Allcroft <stephenallcroft@lycos.co.uk> - 2016-06-07 02:22 -0700
                        Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-06-07 14:30 -0400
                          Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 12:05 -0700
                      Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Howard C <howard.r.carter@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 07:55 -0700
                        Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-06-08 02:23 -0700
                Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-06-07 23:02 +0000
                  Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2016-06-10 01:39 +0000
              Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2016-06-07 05:04 -0700
                Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-06-07 09:58 -0700
                Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2016-06-07 20:54 +0000
                  Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2016-06-07 14:50 -0700
                    Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-06-07 21:58 +0000
                      Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2016-06-07 15:19 -0700
                      Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-06-08 13:53 +0000
                    Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-07 16:03 -0700
                      Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2016-06-07 16:34 -0700
          Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-06-07 04:59 -0700
          Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 05:33 -0700
          Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-08-04 21:01 -0400
            Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-08-05 02:53 +0000
              Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-08-04 23:19 -0400
                Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2016-08-05 18:32 +1200
                  Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-08-05 08:37 -0400
                Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-08-06 04:53 -0700
                  Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-08-08 16:07 +0000
                    Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-08-09 08:43 -0600
                      Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-08-09 19:36 +0000
              Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-08-06 04:35 -0400
          Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> - 2016-08-05 14:04 +1000
      Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-06-06 21:23 -0500
    Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-06-23 02:24 -0700
      Re: Examples where authors messed up Timelines Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-08-07 00:24 -0700

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#446903

In article <20160606b@crcomp.net>,
Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> said:

> Speaking of time travel paradoxes, it seems to me that the
> Grandfather Paradox only applies to suicidal travelers. Off the
> top of my head, there are at least four stories where travelers
> meet young version of themselves: "By His Bootstraps" by RAH, "All
> You Zombies" by RAH, "The Man Who Folded Himself" by Gerrold, and
> "The Time Travelers Wife" by Niffenegger.

L. Neil Smith had a story in which the answer to the Grandfather
Paradox was "If you travel back in time and try to kill your
grandfather, you will die."  Mostly because the grandfather in this
case was way faster on the draw.

(Going solely by Smith's (very short) short-story title list in the
ISFDB, I'm pretty sure it had to be "Grandfather Clause,"
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?94387)

-- wds

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#446927

William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com> wrote:
> In article <20160606b@crcomp.net>,
> Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> said:
>
>> Speaking of time travel paradoxes, it seems to me that the
>> Grandfather Paradox only applies to suicidal travelers. Off the
>> top of my head, there are at least four stories where travelers
>> meet young version of themselves: "By His Bootstraps" by RAH, "All
>> You Zombies" by RAH, "The Man Who Folded Himself" by Gerrold, and
>> "The Time Travelers Wife" by Niffenegger.
>
> L. Neil Smith had a story in which the answer to the Grandfather
> Paradox was "If you travel back in time and try to kill your
> grandfather, you will die."  Mostly because the grandfather in this
> case was way faster on the draw.
>
> (Going solely by Smith's (very short) short-story title list in the
> ISFDB, I'm pretty sure it had to be "Grandfather Clause,"
> http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?94387)

Thank you. That's one way to eliminate the paradox.

FWIW, a used MMPB from AbeBooks is now on its way to me. AbeBooks
typically saves you a few dimes over the other guy. [1]

"Grandfather Clause" is absent from Nahin's _Time Machines_ (my  hobby
horse). Vinge's _Marooned in Real Time_ (the current object of my
obsession) is also missing from the Nahin.

That's a shame because _Marooned_ eliminates the Grandfather Paradox.
It limits temporal movement to only one direction: the future. There is
no going back to a previous time.

So, does time travel _Marooned_ style eliminate all paradoxes? That's
the open question in my mind.

The Nahin contains much more than just Science Fiction. It talks about
the "Arrows of Time". Eddington says that increasing entropy is an arrow
of time. Cross' "Prisoner of Time" mentions Eddington by name and uses
a bubble with zero entropy to propel a damsel in distress forward into
the future.

_Marooned_ uses "bobbles" that enable people to travel forward into
future. The people inside the bobble do not age. The bobble interior
remains timeless until it opens. It follows that bobbles also use zero
entropy, but thus far (three of the four story segments serialized in
_Analog_ now read) Vinge does not mention entropy.

Note.

1. http://preview.tinyurl.com/c5fwmze


--
Don Kuenz KB7RPU

  Data scrutator,
  Extrapolator,
You forecast by rigadoon.
  You used to extol
  The Gallup Poll
But now you are shooting the moon.

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#446936

In article <20160804a@crcomp.net>,
Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> said:

> That's a shame because _Marooned_ eliminates the Grandfather
> Paradox.  It limits temporal movement to only one direction: the
> future. There is no going back to a previous time.
>
> So, does time travel _Marooned_ style eliminate all paradoxes?
> That's the open question in my mind.

I think it does.  What paradoxes could it open that. e.g., the use
of freeze-now-thaw-centuries-later suspended animation couldn't?

-- wds

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#446960

On 05/08/16 15:19, William December Starr wrote:
> In article <20160804a@crcomp.net>,
> Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> said:
>
>> That's a shame because _Marooned_ eliminates the Grandfather
>> Paradox.  It limits temporal movement to only one direction: the
>> future. There is no going back to a previous time.
>>
>> So, does time travel _Marooned_ style eliminate all paradoxes?
>> That's the open question in my mind.

(Good post and I have been enjoying your signature poems.)
>
> I think it does.  What paradoxes could it open that. e.g., the use
> of freeze-now-thaw-centuries-later suspended animation couldn't?

A Mallard could father a younger brother who could be born a year after 
the original Mallard but who is old enough to be his great grandfather.
A pair of ducks.

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#446975

On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 18:32:40 +1200, Titus G
<noone@nowhere.com> wrote
in<news:no1bua$krk$1@dont-email.me> in rec.arts.sf.written:

[...]

> A pair of ducks.

That’s not cricket.  Well, okay -- it’s very *bad* cricket.

Brian
-- 
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties.  The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.

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#447092

On Friday, 5 August 2016 04:19:18 UTC+1, William December Starr  wrote:
> In article <20160804a@crcomp.net>,
> Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> said:
> 
> > That's a shame because _Marooned_ eliminates the Grandfather
> > Paradox.  It limits temporal movement to only one direction: the
> > future. There is no going back to a previous time.
> >
> > So, does time travel _Marooned_ style eliminate all paradoxes?
> > That's the open question in my mind.
> 
> I think it does.  What paradoxes could it open that. e.g., the use
> of freeze-now-thaw-centuries-later suspended animation couldn't?

You can travel in time beyond the end of 
the universe and then enter the next cycle
at an earlier point?  (Futurama ... which?)

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#447399

Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
> On Friday, 5 August 2016 04:19:18 UTC+1, William December Starr  wrote:
>> In article <20160804a@crcomp.net>,
>> Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> said:
>>
>> > That's a shame because _Marooned_ eliminates the Grandfather
>> > Paradox.  It limits temporal movement to only one direction: the
>> > future. There is no going back to a previous time.
>> >
>> > So, does time travel _Marooned_ style eliminate all paradoxes?
>> > That's the open question in my mind.
>>
>> I think it does.  What paradoxes could it open that. e.g., the use
>> of freeze-now-thaw-centuries-later suspended animation couldn't?
>
> You can travel in time beyond the end of
> the universe and then enter the next cycle
> at an earlier point?  (Futurama ... which?)

spoiler space


That's actually a plot point in the story. The family Robinson (LOL)
bobbles headlong, at a megayear clip, into the future. They don't know
exactly what to expect at the end of the universe.

    "Those lunatics want to continue down time, sightseeing their
    way into eternity. Robinson figures if he can persuade most of
    us to come along, he'll have a stable system. He calls it 'time
    like urbanization.' For the next few billion years, his colony
    would spend about a month per megayear outside of stasis. As
    the sun goes off main sequence, they'll move into space and
    bobble through longer and longer jumps. He literally wants to
    follow the evolution of the whole g*dd*mned universe!"

Meanwhile, in the story proper, a murder mystery's been percolating on
the back burner. Detective Wil Brirerson cracks the case at the end of
the third installment. The fourth and final installment is next for me.

A few people note that you ought to read "Ungoverned" before you embark
on _Marooned_ for the first time. That's sound advice. Otherwise you may
end up speed reading "Ungoverned" for the sake of Wil Brierson's back
story.

--
Don Kuenz KB7RPU

agoragraph. To measure the area of an enclosed plane surface by tracing
the boundary with a planimeter.

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#447526

Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> wrote:

>>> > So, does time travel _Marooned_ style eliminate all paradoxes?
>The fourth and final installment is next for me.

I was not aware of a fourth story.  What's the title?
-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#447543

Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
> Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>
>>>> > So, does time travel _Marooned_ style eliminate all paradoxes?
>>The fourth and final installment is next for me.
>
> I was not aware of a fourth story.  What's the title?

It's the fourth and final installment of _Marooned_ as serialized by
_Analog_ in the May, June, July, and August 1986 issues. The conclusion
in the August 1986 is currently being read by me.

You already know whodunnit. OTOH my suspicions are the only thing
left to me at this point. :0)

--
Don Kuenz KB7RPU

agronomist. Agricultural specialist in the theory and practive of field
crop production and soil management; a farmer with a Ph.D.

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#447083

In article <20160804a@crcomp.net>, g@crcomp.net says...
> 
> William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com> wrote:
> > In article <20160606b@crcomp.net>,
> > Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> said:
> >
> >> Speaking of time travel paradoxes, it seems to me that the
> >> Grandfather Paradox only applies to suicidal travelers. Off the
> >> top of my head, there are at least four stories where travelers
> >> meet young version of themselves: "By His Bootstraps" by RAH, "All
> >> You Zombies" by RAH, "The Man Who Folded Himself" by Gerrold, and
> >> "The Time Travelers Wife" by Niffenegger.
> >
> > L. Neil Smith had a story in which the answer to the Grandfather
> > Paradox was "If you travel back in time and try to kill your
> > grandfather, you will die."  Mostly because the grandfather in this
> > case was way faster on the draw.
> >
> > (Going solely by Smith's (very short) short-story title list in the
> > ISFDB, I'm pretty sure it had to be "Grandfather Clause,"
> > http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?94387)
> 
> Thank you. That's one way to eliminate the paradox.
> 
> FWIW, a used MMPB from AbeBooks is now on its way to me. AbeBooks
> typically saves you a few dimes over the other guy. [1]
> 
> "Grandfather Clause" is absent from Nahin's _Time Machines_ (my  hobby
> horse). Vinge's _Marooned in Real Time_ (the current object of my
> obsession) is also missing from the Nahin.
> 
> That's a shame because _Marooned_ eliminates the Grandfather Paradox.
> It limits temporal movement to only one direction: the future. There is
> no going back to a previous time.
> 
> So, does time travel _Marooned_ style eliminate all paradoxes? That's
> the open question in my mind.
> 
> The Nahin contains much more than just Science Fiction. It talks about
> the "Arrows of Time". Eddington says that increasing entropy is an arrow
> of time. Cross' "Prisoner of Time" mentions Eddington by name and uses
> a bubble with zero entropy to propel a damsel in distress forward into
> the future.
> 
> _Marooned_ uses "bobbles" that enable people to travel forward into
> future. The people inside the bobble do not age. The bobble interior
> remains timeless until it opens. It follows that bobbles also use zero
> entropy, but thus far (three of the four story segments serialized in
> _Analog_ now read) Vinge does not mention entropy.
> 
> Note.
> 
> 1. http://preview.tinyurl.com/c5fwmze

Time travel "marooned" style works very much like experienced reality so 
why would it create paradoxes?  All you have to do to travel a million 
years into the future if you are never going to return is "not die".  
Now admittedly that's a tall order but still, all that the bobbles 
manage in that regard is to provide a means to accomplish "not die".

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#446942

On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 00:49:45 -0000 (UTC), Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> wrote:

| peaking of time travel paradoxes, it seems to me that the Grandfather
| Paradox only applies to suicidal travelers. Off the top of my head,
| there are at least four stories where travelers meet young version of
| themselves: "By His Bootstraps" by RAH, "All You Zombies" by RAH,
| "The Man Who Folded Himself" by Gerrold, and "The Time Travelers Wife"
| by Niffenegger.
|
| In these stories, travelers protect their younger selves out of a sense
| of self-preservation. They also guide their younger selves.


Also, "Time Enough for Love" by RAH. But he doesn't guide his younger
self. In fact he tries to avoid any interaction, IIRC.


-- 
Reverend Paul Colquhoun, ULC.     http://andor.dropbear.id.au/
  Asking for technical help in newsgroups?  Read this first:
     http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#intro

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#441344

On 2016-06-06, Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
> Terry Pratchett kind of explicitly gave up on keeping 
> a straight timeline in his Discworld novels, by 
> introducing an organisation of secret monks who were 
> responsible for stopping people in the story from 
> noticing the contradictions.  Or something like that.

And, in one spectacular case, stitching a broken and fragmented
history back together entirely. The History Monks and their leader
and their zen master appear in several of the books, but get the
spotlight in Thief of Time.

> And the big city setting went from 16th century 
> London-ish to 19th century in about one generation.
> (The guy in charge is very determined.)

Well, that's partly our fault, as morphogenic resonance means that since we on
Roundworld did it all first (sort of, time does not match up in any sensible
way between the two), steam-engine time, so to speak, had a much easier time
arriving on Discworld.

Dave, paging Mr Peabody and/or Sherman
-- 
\/David	DeLaney	posting	thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that	grows the flower
It's not the clock that	slows the hour 	The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is	all it takes to	make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE	HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
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#442930

On Sunday, 5 June 2016 06:23:31 UTC+1, Robert Woodward  wrote:
> One of the potential problems when a novel (or a sequence of novels) has 
> two (or more) parallel plot tracks is getting out of synchronization. I 
> remember John Cramer mentioning that he put the plot of his first novel 
> (_Twistor_) in to MS Project to ensure that there was enough time in 
> each track to support the plot and that the tracks stayed synchronized. 
> But I suspect that this (or the equivalent) has been skipped by other 
> authors.

I think I put off mentioning,
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_the_Earth%27s_Core_%28novel%29>
in which "time in Pellucidar, in the absence of objective 
means to measure it [i.e. day and night, or movement of
the sun], is a subjective thing, experienced by different 
people at different rates" - so that when the Athletic Hero 
returns from "a number of adventures" to rescue the Elderly 
Inventor, the latter has experienced no time since the 
departure of the former.

I think this is either brilliant, or idiotic, or because 
Edgar Rice Burroughs didn't want to have to tell us what 
the Elderly Inventor had been doing in the meantime,
not to mention that meanwhile Dian the Beautiful (these are
the actual names now) was in the hands of Jubal the Ugly One 
for way longer than an Athletic Hero should allow.

Later, the Elderly Inventor is commissioned to provide 
Pellucidar with clocks.

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#447230

On Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 3:24:35 AM UTC-6, Robert Carnegie wrote:

> Later, the Elderly Inventor is commissioned to provide 
> Pellucidar with clocks.

And they end up making the people of Pellucidar so miserable that the Athletic Hero has to pass a law banning clocks from Pellucidar.

John Savard

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