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  How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-01 09:56 -0700
    Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-05-01 13:27 -0400
      Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-01 11:05 -0700
        Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 06:41 -0700
          Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-05-04 13:03 -0400
            Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2016-05-05 06:19 -0700
    Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> - 2016-05-01 18:26 +0000
      Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-01 13:42 -0700
        Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-05-01 18:44 -0500
          Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> - 2016-05-02 01:45 +0000
    Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-01 22:06 -0700
      Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2016-05-02 16:55 +0000
        Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 10:07 -0700
          Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-03 10:13 -0700
            Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-05-07 16:05 +0000
              Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-05-07 10:33 -0700
    Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 08:26 -0700
      Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-05-02 12:41 -0400
    Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Shawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 11:28 -0700
    Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-05-03 21:12 -0600
    Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-05-05 16:34 -0500
      Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2016-05-05 15:20 -0700
        Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-05-05 17:39 -0500
          Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-05-05 17:46 -0500
            Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-05-05 16:00 -0700
              Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-05-05 18:12 -0500
              Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2016-05-06 10:19 +0800
                Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-05-05 20:10 -0700
                  Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-05-06 01:56 -0400
                  Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-05-06 05:51 +0000
                    Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-06 13:47 -0700
                      Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-05-07 01:08 +0000
                        Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-06 19:25 -0700
                    Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-05-06 20:43 -0700
                Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-06 16:00 +0300
          Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-05-06 13:06 -0400
            Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-05-06 13:03 -0500
          Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2016-05-06 22:51 +0000
        Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2016-05-05 16:24 -0700
          Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-05-05 21:10 -0600
            Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2016-05-06 13:05 -0500
          Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-05-06 16:58 -0400
        Re: How Well-Read Are You in Science Fiction? Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2016-05-05 17:00 -0700

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#439632

On 5/1/2016 11:56 AM, lal_truckee wrote:
> Lists of lists of lists over at SF Signal:
> <http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/2016/04/how-well-read-are-you-in-science-fiction/>
>
> specifically I indicate James Wallace Harris' list <http://classics.jameswallaceharris.com/ByRank.php>

Are there any books in that list newer than 1998?

Lynn

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#439636

I don't see anything on that list later than 1992 (twice as far on the other side of the twenty year mark).

What dozen works would represent the last two decades?

-- 
-Jack

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#439637

On 5/5/2016 5:20 PM, Jack Bohn wrote:
> I don't see anything on that list later than 1992 (twice as far on the other side of the twenty year mark).
>
> What dozen works would represent the last two decades?

1. The Harry Potter series by J. K. Rowling
2. Old Man’s War by John Scalzi
3. Little Brother by Cory Doctorow
4. Feed by Mira Grant
5. Blackout by Connie Willis
6. Among Others by Jo Walton
7. A Civil Campaign by Lois McMaster Bujold
8. To Say Nothing of the Dog by Connie Willis
9. The Hyperion series by Dan Simmons
10. The Beggars series by Nancy Kress
11. Steel Beach by John Varley
12. The Red / Green / Blue Mars series by Kim Stanley Robinson

Lynn

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#439638

On 5/5/2016 5:39 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 5/5/2016 5:20 PM, Jack Bohn wrote:
>> I don't see anything on that list later than 1992 (twice as far on the other side of the twenty year mark).
>>
>> What dozen works would represent the last two decades?
>
> 1. The Harry Potter series by J. K. Rowling
> 2. Old Man’s War by John Scalzi
> 3. Little Brother by Cory Doctorow
> 4. Feed by Mira Grant
> 5. Blackout by Connie Willis
> 6. Among Others by Jo Walton
> 7. A Civil Campaign by Lois McMaster Bujold
> 8. To Say Nothing of the Dog by Connie Willis
> 9. The Hyperion series by Dan Simmons
> 10. The Beggars series by Nancy Kress
> 11. Steel Beach by John Varley
> 12. The Red / Green / Blue Mars series by Kim Stanley Robinson
>
> Lynn

I forgot _The Road_ by Cormac McCarthy.

Lynn

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#439641

In article <nggiaj$hkk$1@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> 
wrote:


> I forgot _The Road_ by Cormac McCarthy.
> 
> Lynn

You didn't "forget" it - Your subconscious censored it for you, 
correctly placing that action in the category "mercy killing". 

A more boring, pointless, nothing gets resolved, nothing gets done, no 
story gets told, nothing happens but the character (mostly internally) 
whining pretty much non-stop about an unclear something that happened (a 
something about which nothing can be done) mass of words has yet to be 
put in front of me. How I managed to wade through it at all is beyond my 
capacity to understand - I suspect it was most likely a desperate hope 
that *SOME* kind of payoff would come along on the next page to make the 
slog worthwhile. Except that nothing did.

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#439642

On 5/5/2016 6:00 PM, Don Bruder wrote:
> In article <nggiaj$hkk$1@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> I forgot _The Road_ by Cormac McCarthy.
>>
>> Lynn
>
> You didn't "forget" it - Your subconscious censored it for you,
> correctly placing that action in the category "mercy killing".
>
> A more boring, pointless, nothing gets resolved, nothing gets done, no
> story gets told, nothing happens but the character (mostly internally)
> whining pretty much non-stop about an unclear something that happened (a
> something about which nothing can be done) mass of words has yet to be
> put in front of me. How I managed to wade through it at all is beyond my
> capacity to understand - I suspect it was most likely a desperate hope
> that *SOME* kind of payoff would come along on the next page to make the
> slog worthwhile. Except that nothing did.

I quite enjoyed _The Road_.  But, apocalyptic is my second favorite genre after space opera.

Lynn

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#439650

On 6/05/2016 7:00 AM, Don Bruder wrote:
> In article <nggiaj$hkk$1@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> I forgot _The Road_ by Cormac McCarthy.
>>
>> Lynn
>
> You didn't "forget" it - Your subconscious censored it for you,
> correctly placing that action in the category "mercy killing".
>
> A more boring, pointless, nothing gets resolved, nothing gets done, no
> story gets told, nothing happens but the character (mostly internally)
> whining pretty much non-stop about an unclear something that happened (a
> something about which nothing can be done) mass of words has yet to be
> put in front of me. How I managed to wade through it at all is beyond my
> capacity to understand - I suspect it was most likely a desperate hope
> that *SOME* kind of payoff would come along on the next page to make the
> slog worthwhile. Except that nothing did.
>
The above also sums up the Hyperion series for me. I read the first one 
and a half novels, giving up slightly over halfway through the second.

-- 
Robert B. born England a long time ago;
Western Australia since 1972

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#439654

In article <dp2d99FjehhU2@mid.individual.net>,
 Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> wrote:

> On 6/05/2016 7:00 AM, Don Bruder wrote:
> > In article <nggiaj$hkk$1@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I forgot _The Road_ by Cormac McCarthy.
> >>
> >> Lynn
> >
> > You didn't "forget" it - Your subconscious censored it for you,
> > correctly placing that action in the category "mercy killing".
> >
> > A more boring, pointless, nothing gets resolved, nothing gets done, no
> > story gets told, nothing happens but the character (mostly internally)
> > whining pretty much non-stop about an unclear something that happened (a
> > something about which nothing can be done) mass of words has yet to be
> > put in front of me. How I managed to wade through it at all is beyond my
> > capacity to understand - I suspect it was most likely a desperate hope
> > that *SOME* kind of payoff would come along on the next page to make the
> > slog worthwhile. Except that nothing did.
> >
> The above also sums up the Hyperion series for me. I read the first one 
> and a half novels, giving up slightly over halfway through the second.

I just finished a re-run of Hyperion and Fall of Hyperion as audiobooks, 
and have the next two loaded on the iPod, but haven't decided if I'm 
going to bother re-playing them. I found the set to be at least 
reasonably readable overall the first time through, though there were 
major sections of plodding in each one. At least they told something 
like a coherent story. The Road just sat there and cried in its beer. 

Of course, I'm likely thought strange by more than a few, since I also 
like re-reading Dhalgren periodically... Oh well - How's that latin 
phrase go? Gustatorum non disputandum? 

(Cue Brian or another linguist with the correction...) :)

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#439659

On Thu, 05 May 2016 20:10:14 -0700, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
wrote:

>Of course, I'm likely thought strange by more than a few, since I also 
>like re-reading Dhalgren periodically... Oh well - How's that latin 
>phrase go? Gustatorum non disputandum? 

De gustibus non disputandum est, I think.  I might not have the usual
word order.





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#439660

In article <ngh1o5$ks3$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder  <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote:
>Of course, I'm likely thought strange by more than a few, since I also 
>like re-reading Dhalgren periodically... Oh well - How's that latin 
>phrase go? Gustatorum non disputandum? 

De gustibus non disputandum est.
("Matters of taste should not be disputed.")

-- 
   David Goldfarb          |"I'm reconsidering my desire to go to college, as
goldfarbdj@gmail.com       | from what I've seen on this group it drives one
goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  | immediately and incurably insane."
                           | -- ACM, on rec.arts.comics.xbooks

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#439689

On Friday, May 6, 2016 at 12:00:03 AM UTC-6, David Goldfarb wrote:

> De gustibus non disputandum est.
> ("Matters of taste should not be disputed.")

Shouldn't that be "Concerning taste, no disputation is possible", or something 
like that (perhaps a freer and more idiomatic "Matters of taste can't be 
argued")? After all, isn't it literally "Of taste, no disputation exists"?

John Savard

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#439698

In article <7fd7cb61-91d8-4e7a-ac18-8eab2877a925@googlegroups.com>,
Quadibloc  <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>On Friday, May 6, 2016 at 12:00:03 AM UTC-6, David Goldfarb wrote:
>
>> De gustibus non disputandum est.
>> ("Matters of taste should not be disputed.")
>
>Shouldn't that be "Concerning taste, no disputation is possible", or something 
>like that (perhaps a freer and more idiomatic "Matters of taste can't be 
>argued")? After all, isn't it literally "Of taste, no disputation exists"?

No, "disputandum" does not mean "disputation".  It's the gerundive 
of the verb disputo, and this is an idiomatic construction called the
passive periphrastic.  It was often used to indicate necessity
(e.g., in the well-known "Carthago delenda est") but can also be
weaker and mean "should" or "is worthy of".  I think "matters of
taste must not be disputed" seems silly, so I find the weaker sense
more apropos.

-- 
   David Goldfarb          |"We were walking backwards because if we walked
goldfarbdj@gmail.com       | forwards our eyeballs would freeze."
goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  |               -- Graydon

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#439701

On Friday, May 6, 2016 at 7:15:07 PM UTC-6, David Goldfarb wrote:
> In article <7fd7cb61-91d8-4e7a-ac18-8eab2877a925@googlegroups.com>,
> Quadibloc  <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> >On Friday, May 6, 2016 at 12:00:03 AM UTC-6, David Goldfarb wrote:
> >
> >> De gustibus non disputandum est.
> >> ("Matters of taste should not be disputed.")
> >
> >Shouldn't that be "Concerning taste, no disputation is possible", or something 
> >like that (perhaps a freer and more idiomatic "Matters of taste can't be 
> >argued")? After all, isn't it literally "Of taste, no disputation exists"?
> 
> No, "disputandum" does not mean "disputation".  It's the gerundive 
> of the verb disputo, and this is an idiomatic construction called the
> passive periphrastic.  It was often used to indicate necessity
> (e.g., in the well-known "Carthago delenda est") but can also be
> weaker and mean "should" or "is worthy of".  I think "matters of
> taste must not be disputed" seems silly, so I find the weaker sense
> more apropos.

Thank you for so clearly explaining where I was mistaken.

John Savard

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#439703

In article <o6qqxI.GCq@kithrup.com>,
 goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) wrote:

> In article <ngh1o5$ks3$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder  <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote:
> >Of course, I'm likely thought strange by more than a few, since I also 
> >like re-reading Dhalgren periodically... Oh well - How's that latin 
> >phrase go? Gustatorum non disputandum? 
> 
> De gustibus non disputandum est.
> ("Matters of taste should not be disputed.")

I was all but guaranteed to muff it - I don't speak latin! At least I 
got close enough to get the idea across. :)

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#439666

In article <dp2d99FjehhU2@mid.individual.net>, robban@clubtelco.com 
says...
> 
> On 6/05/2016 7:00 AM, Don Bruder wrote:

> > A more boring, pointless, nothing gets resolved, nothing gets done, no

> The above also sums up the Hyperion series for me. I read the first one 
> and a half novels, giving up slightly over halfway through the second.

The first one had a couple of decent short stories; I quite liked the 
priest's tale. The ones where I recognized the target of the homage 
seemed like pointless imitation of the form without the substance, 
though.

By the time I reached the Oz ending I'd lost all desire to continue 
with the series. There were a couple of intriguing ideas there, but my 
overall impression was that it was aimless derivative nonsense.

-- 
Juho Julkunen

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#439676

On Thu, 5 May 2016 17:39:06 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lmc@winsim.com> wrote in<news:ngghs1$ghu$1@dont-email.me>
in rec.arts.sf.written:

> On 5/5/2016 5:20 PM, Jack Bohn wrote:

>> I don't see anything on that list later than 1992 (twice
>> as far on the other side of the twenty year mark).

>> What dozen works would represent the last two decades?

> 1. The Harry Potter series by J. K. Rowling
> 2. Old Man’s War by John Scalzi
> 3. Little Brother by Cory Doctorow
> 4. Feed by Mira Grant
> 5. Blackout by Connie Willis
> 6. Among Others by Jo Walton
> 7. A Civil Campaign by Lois McMaster Bujold
> 8. To Say Nothing of the Dog by Connie Willis
> 9. The Hyperion series by Dan Simmons
> 10. The Beggars series by Nancy Kress
> 11. Steel Beach by John Varley
> 12. The Red / Green / Blue Mars series by Kim Stanley Robinson

Of which I’ve read Nrs. 2, 4, 7, and one book of 9.  While
I’ve read a fair number with at least modest enjoyment, I’m
not a fan of the Vorkosigan novels, but _A Civil Campaign_
was fun and is probably my favorite of those three,
followed by the Scalzi; the Simmons was a waste of time.
I’ve no intention of reading any of the others with the
barely possible exception of the Walton.

Brian
-- 
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties.  The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.

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#439679

On 5/6/2016 12:06 PM, Brian M. Scott wrote:
> On Thu, 5 May 2016 17:39:06 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> <lmc@winsim.com> wrote in<news:ngghs1$ghu$1@dont-email.me>
> in rec.arts.sf.written:
>
>> On 5/5/2016 5:20 PM, Jack Bohn wrote:
>
>>> I don't see anything on that list later than 1992 (twice
>>> as far on the other side of the twenty year mark).
>
>>> What dozen works would represent the last two decades?
>
>> 1. The Harry Potter series by J. K. Rowling
>> 2. Old Man’s War by John Scalzi
>> 3. Little Brother by Cory Doctorow
>> 4. Feed by Mira Grant
>> 5. Blackout by Connie Willis
>> 6. Among Others by Jo Walton
>> 7. A Civil Campaign by Lois McMaster Bujold
>> 8. To Say Nothing of the Dog by Connie Willis
>> 9. The Hyperion series by Dan Simmons
>> 10. The Beggars series by Nancy Kress
>> 11. Steel Beach by John Varley
>> 12. The Red / Green / Blue Mars series by Kim Stanley Robinson
>
> Of which I’ve read Nrs. 2, 4, 7, and one book of 9.  While
> I’ve read a fair number with at least modest enjoyment, I’m
> not a fan of the Vorkosigan novels, but _A Civil Campaign_
> was fun and is probably my favorite of those three,
> followed by the Scalzi; the Simmons was a waste of time.
> I’ve no intention of reading any of the others with the
> barely possible exception of the Walton.
>
> Brian

I do not understand why I liked the Walton so much.  In actuality, it is more of a multiple book review rather than a fantasy story.

Lynn

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#439693

Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> wrote:
> On 5/5/2016 5:20 PM, Jack Bohn wrote:
>> I don't see anything on that list later than 1992 (twice as far on
> the other side of the twenty year mark).
>>
>> What dozen works would represent the last two decades?
>
> 1. The Harry Potter series by J. K. Rowling
> 2. Old Man's War by John Scalzi
> 3. Little Brother by Cory Doctorow
> 4. Feed by Mira Grant
> 5. Blackout by Connie Willis
> 6. Among Others by Jo Walton
> 7. A Civil Campaign by Lois McMaster Bujold
> 8. To Say Nothing of the Dog by Connie Willis
> 9. The Hyperion series by Dan Simmons
> 10. The Beggars series by Nancy Kress
> 11. Steel Beach by John Varley
> 12. The Red / Green / Blue Mars series by Kim Stanley Robinson

My very own "list of a dozen" that's tailor made for my "est."
(De gustibus non disputandum est.) YMMV. :0)

_The Time Traveler's Wife_ by  Audrey Niffenegger
_Molon Labe!_ by Kenneth W. Royce
_Catching Fire_ by Suzanne Collins
_The Rapture of the Nerds_ by Cory Doctorow and Charles Stross
_Blackout_ by Connie Willis
_Stealing the Network: How to Own a Continent_ by FX
_Stealing the Network: How to Own a Shadow_ by Johnny Long
_City Beyond Time_ by John C Wright
_Riding the Crocodile_ by Greg Egan
_Psychohistorical Crisis_ Donald Kingsbury
_Star Trek: The City on the Edge of Forever_ by Harlan Ellison
_Cryptonomicon_ by Neal Stephenson

--
Don Kuenz KB7RPU

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#439643

On Friday, May 6, 2016 at 8:20:41 AM UTC+10, Jack Bohn wrote:
> I don't see anything on that list later than 1992 (twice as far on the other side of the twenty year mark).
> 
> What dozen works would represent the last two decades?

Restricting it to Science Fiction only, i.e. no Harry Potter, Curse of Chalion, GoT, all of which would make it onto an expanded, Speculative Fiction list.

Neal Stephenson - Diamond Age

Vernor Vinge - A Deepness in the Sky

Alistair Reynolds - House of Suns, Revelation Space series

Iain M Banks - Excession, Surface Detail

Ernest Cline - Ready Player One

Lois McMaster Bujold - A Civil Campaign

-Moriarty

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#439655

Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:

>On Friday, May 6, 2016 at 8:20:41 AM UTC+10, Jack Bohn wrote:
>> I don't see anything on that list later than 1992 (twice as far on the other side of the twenty year mark).
>> 
>> What dozen works would represent the last two decades?
>
>Restricting it to Science Fiction only, i.e. no Harry Potter, Curse of Chalion, GoT, all of which would make it onto an expanded, Speculative Fiction list.
>
>Neal Stephenson - Diamond Age
>
>Vernor Vinge - A Deepness in the Sky

Deepness never really worked for me.  Loved Fire.

-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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