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parallel universe

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First post2015-08-27 20:01 -0400
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  parallel universe "tony" <tony@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-27 20:01 -0400
    Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-27 20:04 -0400
      Re: parallel universe ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-08-28 00:14 +0000
        Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-27 17:24 -0700
          Re: parallel universe nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2015-08-28 13:58 +0000
            Re: parallel universe Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-08-28 11:02 -0700
              Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 05:01 -0700
    Re: parallel universe djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-28 01:53 +0000
      Re: parallel universe nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) - 2015-08-28 04:11 +0000
        Re: parallel universe "A.G.McDowell" <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> - 2015-08-28 06:26 +0100
          Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-28 13:24 -0400
            Re: parallel universe "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-08-28 20:33 +0100
            Re: parallel universe Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-28 14:58 -0700
              Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-28 18:11 -0400
                Re: parallel universe Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-28 23:29 -0700
                  Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-29 13:08 -0400
                  Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-31 09:12 -0400
                  Re: parallel universe Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-14 10:29 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 04:35 -0700
                  Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-31 09:27 -0400
                    Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-31 08:05 -0700
                      Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 15:52 -0400
                        Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-02 13:31 -0700
                        Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:35 -0500
                      Re: parallel universe Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 21:47 -0700
                Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-08-29 09:08 -0600
                  Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-29 13:10 -0400
                  Re: parallel universe Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-08-29 19:37 +0100
                  Re: parallel universe "tony" <tony@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-23 19:40 -0500
                    Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-23 18:32 -0700
                    Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-24 04:40 -0800
                      Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-24 11:12 -0700
                        Re: parallel universe Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2015-11-24 12:08 -0700
                          Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-24 13:07 -0700
                        Re: parallel universe "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 11:21 -0800
                          Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-24 11:58 -0800
                            Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-29 10:09 -0500
                              Re: parallel universe "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> - 2015-12-02 02:51 +0000
                              Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-12-02 01:12 -0800
                                Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-12-02 06:44 -0800
                                  Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-12-03 01:03 -0600
                                    Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-12-03 06:19 -0800
                          Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-24 14:30 -0800
                            Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-24 18:02 -0500
                              Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-11-25 21:34 -0600
                            Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-25 08:29 +0800
                              Re: parallel universe Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 16:49 -0700
                                Re: parallel universe Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 19:44 -0600
                                  Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-26 10:43 +0800
                                  Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-12-02 06:14 -0500
                              Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-11-24 17:59 -0800
                              Re: parallel universe Chrysi Cat <chrysicat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 20:50 -0700
                                Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-26 10:44 +0800
                                  Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-27 04:01 -0800
                                    Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-28 09:35 +0800
                                      Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-11-28 02:48 -0800
                                        Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-29 12:06 +0800
                            Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-24 17:44 -0700
                              Re: parallel universe Brenda <brendawriter@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-24 22:45 -0500
                              Re: parallel universe ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-11-25 04:07 +0000
                            Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-24 21:35 -0700
                              Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-12-02 06:18 -0500
                            Re: parallel universe Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2015-11-24 22:21 -0800
                Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 12:48 -0400
                  Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 13:32 -0400
                  Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 13:39 -0700
                    Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-29 14:06 -0700
                      Re: parallel universe Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-08-29 22:58 +0100
                      Re: parallel universe "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 20:02 -0400
                        Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 17:17 -0700
            Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-28 21:27 -0400
            Re: parallel universe Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-14 10:26 -0700
              Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-10-15 01:27 -0500
        Re: parallel universe djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-28 13:04 +0000
          Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-08-28 06:26 -0700
            Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-28 22:51 -0500
              Re: parallel universe "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 10:50 -0700
                Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 14:11 -0400
                Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-29 21:35 -0500
                  Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-31 03:48 -0700
                    Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-31 15:50 -0700
                      Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-31 18:18 -0700
                      Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:01 -0400
                        Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-09-02 14:29 -0600
                          Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:32 -0400
                      Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-02 15:54 -0600
                      [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 07:50 -0400
                        Re: [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-03 11:53 -0400
                          Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) - 2015-09-03 22:31 +0000
                            Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 02:01 -0400
                              Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-04 06:28 -0700
                              Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-04 11:56 -0500
                                Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 13:17 -0400
                          Re: [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-04 07:53 -0400
                            Re: [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 05:44 -0700
                            Re: [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 11:27 -0400
                              Re: [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-04 11:23 -0700
                                Re: [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 15:10 -0400
                                  Re: [OT] Archie comics question David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-04 13:13 -0600
                                    Re: [OT] Archie comics question Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 15:15 -0400
                                    Re: [OT] Archie comics question Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:46 -0700
                                      Re: [OT] Archie comics question wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-04 23:24 -0400
                                        Re: [OT] Archie comics question David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-05 11:28 -0500
                                          Re: [OT] Archie comics question Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-05 10:03 -0700
                                            Re: [OT] Archie comics question David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-06 23:17 -0500
                                        Re: [OT] Archie comics question Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 09:38 -0700
                        Re: [OT] Archie comics question David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-03 11:12 -0600
                    Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 15:58 -0400
                      Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:37 -0500
                        Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-03 03:16 -0700
                          Re: parallel universe "Raymond Daley" <raymond.daley@ntlworld.com> - 2015-09-04 11:17 +0100
                            Re: parallel universe Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 05:43 -0700
                            Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-04 12:04 -0500
                              Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-05 06:23 -0700
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:28 -0400
                  Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:43 -0500
                  Re: parallel universe Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2015-09-04 11:22 -0600
                    Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-04 23:25 -0400
                      Re: parallel universe Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-05 07:58 -0700
                  Re: parallel universe "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:56 -0700
                    Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-04 16:24 -0500
                    Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-05 06:36 -0700
          Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-28 10:28 -0600
    Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-28 01:03 -0700
      Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-28 06:45 -0700
        Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-28 10:11 -0700
          Re: parallel universe Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-28 13:19 -0400
            Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 04:42 -0700
              Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-08-29 09:23 -0600
                Re: parallel universe "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 13:46 -0400
                  Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 14:16 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 17:13 -0700
                  Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:05 -0400
              Re: parallel universe Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-29 11:57 -0400
                Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 13:39 -0400
                  Re: parallel universe Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-29 15:52 -0400
                    Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-29 16:06 -0600
              Re: parallel universe Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-08-29 19:44 +0100
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:16 -0400
                  Re: parallel universe Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-09-02 22:39 +0100
              Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:31 -0400
                Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:44 -0500
                  Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-02 20:20 -0600
                    Re: parallel universe "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 23:24 -0700
                    Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-03 03:30 -0700
                      Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 07:58 -0400
                  Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 08:11 -0400
          Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-28 22:50 -0500
          Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-28 22:14 -0600
          Re: parallel universe Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-14 10:15 -0700
      Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 00:55 -0700
        Re: parallel universe je suis charly <charlie-gordon1492@no.where> - 2015-08-29 01:13 -0700
          Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 09:17 -0700
            Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 09:30 -0700
              Re: parallel universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-08-29 19:23 +0200
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 13:54 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-08-31 07:06 +0200
              Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 23:43 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-30 05:20 -0700
                  Re: parallel universe Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2015-08-30 13:53 +0000
                  Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-08-30 09:03 -0600
                  Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-30 13:01 -0700
                    Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-30 15:08 -0700
                  Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 16:10 -0400
                    Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-30 16:36 -0400
                      Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 18:59 -0400
                  Re: parallel universe Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 20:51 -0700
        Re: parallel universe "tony" <tony@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-13 20:18 -0400
      Re: parallel universe Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-08-30 03:33 +0000
        Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-31 03:54 -0700
    Re: parallel universe Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 01:42 -0700
      Re: parallel universe Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 02:08 -0700
        Re: parallel universe Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-09-20 02:23 +0000

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#421544

FromDavid Johnston <David@block.net>
Date2015-08-30 09:03 -0600
Message-ID<mrv5sh$h41$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#421539
On 8/30/2015 6:20 AM, Kevrob wrote:
> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 2:42:30 AM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote:
>
>
>> Whether or not parallel universe exist, certaintly the universe "knows"
>> of it's self..the universe is..'aware'.
>>
>> The universe has it's own...consciousness.
>
> Sorry, SM. That's fantasy, not SF.  If we want to use fantasy,
> the otherworld, Faerie, Tír na nÓg, etc are parallel worlds.
>
> Explaining mythological realms as alternate universes with
> different physical laws than ours is an old theme in speculative
> fiction, however.  A story with a sentient parallel universe
> would be cromulent.  YASID, anybody?
>

Chalker had a universe which had a god who would lightning bolt any 
human who engaged in bad behaviour as I recall but was not the creator 
of the universe, just the intelligence running it.

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#421567

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-08-30 13:01 -0700
Message-ID<55E36125.502C@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#421539
Kevrob wrote:
> 
> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 2:42:30 AM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> > Whether or not parallel universe exist, certaintly the universe "knows"
> > of it's self..the universe is..'aware'.
> >
> > The universe has it's own...consciousness.
> 
> Sorry, SM. That's fantasy, not SF.  


You're forgeting, your consciouness is a product of the universe.



The Starmaker

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#421581

FromKevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com>
Date2015-08-30 15:08 -0700
Message-ID<efa6934c-9996-4adc-a21e-7516c3e426e0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#421567
On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 4:01:40 PM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote:
> Kevrob wrote:
> > 
> > On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 2:42:30 AM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote:
> > 
> > > Whether or not parallel universe exist, certaintly the universe "knows"
> > > of it's self..the universe is..'aware'.
> > >
> > > The universe has it's own...consciousness.
> > 
> > Sorry, SM. That's fantasy, not SF.  
> 
> 
> You're forgeting, your consciouness is a product of the universe.


This universe contains conscious individuals, 
at least one of them, anyway.  More than that
I can't say.

I'm never quite sure that you aren't a `bot. :)

Kevin R

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#421569

FromWilliam Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com>
Date2015-08-30 16:10 -0400
Message-ID<mrvnso$ves$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#421539
Kevrob wrote:
> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 2:42:30 AM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote:
>
>
>> Whether or not parallel universe exist, certaintly the universe "knows"
>> of it's self..the universe is..'aware'.
>> 
>> The universe has it's own...consciousness.
>
> Sorry, SM. That's fantasy, not SF.  If we want to use fantasy,
> the otherworld, Faerie, Tír na nÓg, etc are parallel worlds.
>
> Explaining mythological realms as alternate universes with
> different physical laws than ours is an old theme in speculative
> fiction, however.  A story with a sentient parallel universe
> would be cromulent.  YASID, anybody?
>
What is "cromulent?"

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#421572

From"Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu>
Date2015-08-30 16:36 -0400
Message-ID<jbubzxn7tbad$.1nc9gh4o9382s$.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#421569
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:10:31 -0400, William Vetter
<mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote
in<news:mrvnso$ves$1@dont-email.me> in rec.arts.sf.written:

[...]

> What is "cromulent?"

<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cromulent>

Brian
-- 
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties.  The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.

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#421582

FromWilliam Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com>
Date2015-08-30 18:59 -0400
Message-ID<ms01pb$6b1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#421572
Brian M. Scott wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:10:31 -0400, William Vetter
> <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote
> in<news:mrvnso$ves$1@dont-email.me> in rec.arts.sf.written:
>
> [...]
>
>> What is "cromulent?"
>
> <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cromulent>
>
> Brian

I guess I'm not one of the cool kids.

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#421604

FromButch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com>
Date2015-08-30 20:51 -0700
Message-ID<47ac1308-b1ce-4fd1-a2ca-978143f93807@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#421539
On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 7:20:22 AM UTC-5, Kevrob wrote:
> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 2:42:30 AM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> 
> > Whether or not parallel universe exist, certaintly the universe "knows"
> > of it's self..the universe is..'aware'.
> > 
> > The universe has it's own...consciousness.
> 
> Sorry, SM. That's fantasy, not SF.  If we want to use fantasy,
> the otherworld, Faerie, Tír na nÓg, etc are parallel worlds.
> 
> Explaining mythological realms as alternate universes with
> different physical laws than ours is an old theme in speculative

> A story with a sentient parallel universe would be cromulent.
> YASID, anybody?

 Maybe "Intruder" by Don Berry, in Venture SF, March, 1958?

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#424688

From"tony" <tony@hotmail.com>
Date2015-10-13 20:18 -0400
Message-ID<4--dnbuU2KfQAoDLnZ2dnUU7-WudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#421439
-----Original Message----- 
From: The Starmaker
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 3:55 AM Newsgroups:
rec.arts.sf.written,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.astronomy
Subject: Re: parallel universe

<snip>

But what most people don't know is that..
parallel universe is an invention by
the science fiction community, not the
scientific community.

So, when I see members
of the 'scientific community' talking
about parallel universe...they are talking about
a subject invented by the
science fiction community.

when I see members
of the 'science fiction community' talking
about parallel universe...they are talking about
a subject invented by the
'science fiction community'...but
they believe it was invented by
the 'scientific community'.

Tony replied:

Perhaps a scientific description of a parallel universe concept could spring
from Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.  For example, in 1954, a young
student at Princeton University named Hugh Everett proposed a radical
supposition that differed from the popular models of quantum mechanics.
Everett did not believe that observation causes quantum matter to stop
behaving in multiple forms.  Instead, he argued that observation of quantum
matter creates a split in the universe. In other words, the universe makes
copies of itself to account for all the possibilities and these duplicates
will proceed independently.

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#421523

FromDon Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net>
Date2015-08-30 03:33 +0000
Message-ID<20150827a@crcomp.net>
In reply to#421306
The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> tony wrote:
>>
>> What are some of the earliest parallel universe stories?
>
>
>
> if you're talking about books there is: The Lathe of Heaven
>
>
> if you're talking about other stuff stories:
> http://www.hulu.com/watch/440782

_The Lathe of Heaven_ is an excellent example. There's also _Thrice Upon
a Time_.

Can a double-slit apparatus and a detector function as a parallel
universe generator? You can randomly place the detector at slit A to
force a photon to pass through slit B and versa vice. The fly in the
ointment is that in your "home universe" you *always* randomly place the
detector in the same place. :(

Ouspensky argues that six dimensional space is continuous. You can take
a pencil on a table and either throw it or not throw it on the floor,
and derive two parallel universes. But, you can not throw an orange on
the floor that was never on the table in the first place.

--
 ,-.                              There was a young lady named Bright
 \_/                              Whose speed was far faster than light;
{|||)<   Don Kuenz KB7RPU            She set out one day
 / \                                 In a relative way
 `-'                              And returned on the previous night.

What you do speaks so loud that I can not hear what you say. - Emerson.

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#421626

FromRobert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com>
Date2015-08-31 03:54 -0700
Message-ID<288d568e-8c1f-4051-87a0-611181763388@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#421523
On Sunday, 30 August 2015 04:35:24 UTC+1, Don Kuenz  wrote:
> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > tony wrote:
> >>
> >> What are some of the earliest parallel universe stories?
> >
> >
> >
> > if you're talking about books there is: The Lathe of Heaven
> >
> >
> > if you're talking about other stuff stories:
> > http://www.hulu.com/watch/440782
> 
> _The Lathe of Heaven_ is an excellent example. There's also _Thrice Upon
> a Time_.
> 
> Can a double-slit apparatus and a detector function as a parallel
> universe generator? You can randomly place the detector at slit A to
> force a photon to pass through slit B and versa vice. The fly in the
> ointment is that in your "home universe" you *always* randomly place the
> detector in the same place. :(
> 
> Ouspensky argues that six dimensional space is continuous. You can take
> a pencil on a table and either throw it or not throw it on the floor,
> and derive two parallel universes. But, you can not throw an orange on
> the floor that was never on the table in the first place.

But "something something virtual particle quantum foam" - 
er - Professor.

Would universes merge - if the pencil is on the table, does 
it matter whether you put it there or your wife did?

This could be a very fruitful field to explore regarding
household chores, until she catches on.

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#421537

FromButch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com>
Date2015-08-30 01:42 -0700
Message-ID<c536a5b6-6b08-48b3-b49d-15b157cb4486@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#421272
On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 7:01:14 PM UTC-5, tony wrote:
> What are some of the earliest parallel universe stories?

A famous early one is "The Gostak and the Doshes" by Miles J.
Breuer, M.D., in the March 1939 Amazing Stories.

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#421538

FromButch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com>
Date2015-08-30 02:08 -0700
Message-ID<9a92ae21-f261-41d3-836a-b50c305ce17d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#421537
On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 3:42:53 AM UTC-5, Butch Malahide wrote:
> On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 7:01:14 PM UTC-5, tony wrote:
> > What are some of the earliest parallel universe stories?
> 
> A famous early one is "The Gostak and the Doshes" by Miles J.
> Breuer, M.D., in the March 1939 Amazing Stories.

What a horrible typo. "The Gostak and the Doshes" was in the
March 1930 (not 1939) issue of Amazing Stories.

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#423181

FromDon Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net>
Date2015-09-20 02:23 +0000
Message-ID<20150919a@crcomp.net>
In reply to#421538
Butch Malahide wrote:
> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 3:42:53 AM UTC-5, Butch Malahide wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 7:01:14 PM UTC-5, tony wrote:
> > > What are some of the earliest parallel universe stories?
> >
> > A famous early one is "The Gostak and the Doshes" by Miles J.
> > Breuer, M.D., in the March 1939 Amazing Stories.
>
> What a horrible typo. "The Gostak and the Doshes" was in the
> March 1930 (not 1939) issue of Amazing Stories.

Three weeks later and there's time enough at last in my hectic schedule
to read this story. Thank you. The story appeals to me on many levels.

This part of the story dovetails with other recent threads:

    The fourth dimension is just as much *here* as anywhere else.
    Right here around you and me things exist and go forward in
    the fourth dimension; but we do not see them and are not
    conscious of them, because we are confined to our own three.
    Secondly; if we name the four coordinates as Einstein does,
    x, y, z, and t, then we exist in x, y, z, and move freely
    about in them; but are powerless to move in t. Why? Because
    t is the time dimension; and the time dimension is a difficult
    one for biological structures that depend on irreversible
    chemical reactions for their existence.

Fourth dimension talk opens the door to Aristotle. [1] _The Cambridge_
_Companion to Science Fiction_ mentions Aristotle in its "Politics and
science fiction" chapter. Perhaps that makes Aristotle a primordial
 science fiction writer? If so, Aristotle may qualify to serve as
fourth dimensional scapegoat in another thread. :)

The best takeaway for me is the idea that biological structures depend
upon irreversible chemical reactions. That makes a Wellsian open air
time unfeasible. Because a boundary must exist between hypertime of the
outside world and the "normal time" of a time traveling organism.

It's similar to the problems encountered in "Perry Rhodan: Prisoner of
Time." The organism must breath an atmosphere that contains "normal
inertia" molecules. A hermetically sealed, "timetight," vessel seems
mandatory for any time machine.

Hypertime also seems relative. The Wellsian time machine induces
?exogenous? hypertime in that the outside world moves faster. While the
Rhodan machine induces ?endogenous? hypertime in that the outside world
moves slower.

The transforms of "The Gostak and the Doshes" tickle my mathematical
mind. It adds a dash of entertainment to Calc II's parametric equations.

Finally, there's the moral of the story. "The Gostak distims the
doshes." The phrase "conscientious objector" needs to be popularized
again. May tomorrow's Occupy Peace initiative at a historic New York
City intersection [2] do the trick.

Note.

1. https://www.google.com/search?q=aristotle+spacetime

2. http://occupypeace.us/

--
 ,-.                              There was a young lady named Bright
 \_/                              Whose speed was far faster than light;
{|||)<   Don Kuenz KB7RPU            She set out one day
 / \                                 In a relative way
 `-'                              And returned on the previous night.

What you do speaks so loud that I can not hear what you say. - Emerson.

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