Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams

From	D B Davis <g@crcomp.net>
Newsgroups	rec.arts.sf.written
Subject	Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams
Date	2018-10-06 05:07 +0000
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Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
> In article <pp98qr$ck9$1@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On 10/5/2018 9:36 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 19:22:58 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>>> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/5/2018 6:57 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 17:57:55 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>>>>> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/5/2018 9:22 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>>>>> Sorry to Crush Your Dreams, But We're Not Colonizing Space Anytime Soon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>https://www.tor.com/2018/10/05/sorry-to-crush-your-dreams-but-were-not-colonizing-space-anytime-soon/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All we need is a fuel source like the imaginary Squeezer*.  Until then,
>>>>>> space is going to be for the ultra-rich.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * The Squeezer is the infinite compression / gravity less device from
>>>>>> John Varley's splendid _Red Thunder_ books.
>>>>>>       https://www.amazon.com/Red-Thunder-Lightning-Novel/dp/0441011624/
>>>>>
>>>>> Once the cost has been reduced to fuel and crew time it will get a lot
>>>>> less expensive.
>>>>>
>>>>> NASA never tried to make it cheap, they just bought and continue to
>>>>> buy overpriced throwaways.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, the participants will change from the ultra rich to the very rich ?
>>>>
>>>> I just don't see a trip around the moon costing less than, $10 million a
>>>> person.
>>>
>>> SpaceX is shooting for 10 million all up for BFR.  Not per person, per
>>> launch.  Capacity around 100 passengers.
>>
>>Sounds way too low a cost for a single trip.  I'll bet that I would barf
>>the entire time that we were in weightlessness.
>>
>>The BFR has 40 cabins.  That is 2.5 people per cabin for a one week trip
>>around the moon ???  I wonder if each cabin has a potty or if you just
>>wear a diaper.
>
> I understand there's a sort of vacuum attachment.

_The Forever War_ (Haldeman) says this about that:

   I popped the spare suit and after a lot of pulling and pushing, managed
   to get his legs in. Hooked up the biosensors and the front relief tube.
   He'd have to do the other one himself -- it's too complicated. For the
   nth time I was glad not to have been born female; they have to have two
   of those damned plumber's friends, instead of just one and a simple
   hose.

✍

Thank you,

-- 
Don

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[tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-10-05 14:22 +0000
  Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-10-05 08:01 -0700
    Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-05 10:08 -0600
  Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-10-05 09:02 -0700
    Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-10-05 18:28 +0000
      Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 13:00 -0700
        Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-10-05 13:10 -0700
          Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-10-05 13:42 -0700
            Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 13:54 -0700
              Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams Joe Bernstein <Kdeurama@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 22:52 +0000
                Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 07:01 -0700
              Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-10-06 09:49 -0700
            Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-10-05 14:22 -0700
        Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams smw <smw@trm.encs.concordia.ca> - 2018-10-11 04:58 +0000
          Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 06:06 -0700
            Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-10-11 13:23 +0000
              Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-10-11 10:16 -0700
                Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-10-11 17:26 +0000
                Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 20:59 -0400
                Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-10-11 23:04 -0700
                Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 20:18 -0400
              Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 21:03 +0000
  Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 17:57 -0500
    Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 19:57 -0400
      Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 19:22 -0500
        Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 19:30 -0500
          Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 22:37 -0400
          Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-10-06 02:46 +0000
        Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 22:36 -0400
          Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 22:05 -0500
            Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-10-06 04:26 +0000
              Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-10-05 21:55 -0700
                Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-10-06 13:56 +0000
                Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-10-06 07:18 -0700
                Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 09:37 -0500
              Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-10-06 05:07 +0000
              Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams peterwezeman@hotmail.com - 2018-10-05 23:59 -0700
              Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 12:07 -0400
          Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-10-11 21:03 -0600
            Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 23:31 -0400
            Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 13:25 -0500
              Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 13:54 -0500
                Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 20:23 -0400
                Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 21:17 -0500
                Re: [tor dot com] Sorry to Crush Your Dreams J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 00:04 -0400

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