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  Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> - 2025-08-16 17:23 -0400
    Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 20:56 -0400
      Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2025-08-17 03:19 +0000
    Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> - 2025-08-17 11:39 +0000
    Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) - 2025-08-17 16:22 +0100
      Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2025-08-17 11:27 -0400
        Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-08-17 17:59 -0400
      Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2025-08-17 15:53 +0000
        Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2025-08-17 14:58 -0400
          Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2025-08-17 16:24 -0400
            Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2025-08-17 18:19 -0400
              Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2025-08-17 22:33 +0000
                Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2025-08-17 21:14 -0400
                Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) - 2025-08-18 17:22 +0100
                  Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> - 2025-08-18 17:27 -0400
                    Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-08-18 18:04 -0400
                      Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2025-08-18 22:27 +0000
                        Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-08-18 20:12 -0400
                          Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> - 2025-08-18 21:18 -0400
                            Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2025-08-19 01:36 +0000
                            Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-08-18 23:51 -0400
                              Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> - 2025-08-20 02:41 -0400
                                Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-08-20 11:21 +0100
                                  Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) - 2025-08-20 13:27 +0100
                                Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2025-08-20 07:37 -0400
                                  Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> - 2025-08-20 10:52 -0400
                                Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-08-20 08:09 -0400
                                Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2025-08-20 14:37 +0000
                          Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) - 2025-08-19 17:01 +0100
                            Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> - 2025-08-19 21:34 -0400
                              Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) - 2025-08-20 16:41 +0100
                                Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2025-08-20 16:56 +0000
                              Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2025-08-22 15:39 -0400
                      Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2025-08-20 23:11 -0400
                      Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2025-08-20 23:11 -0400
                        Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid Tim Merrigan <tppm@rr.ca.com> - 2025-08-21 06:50 -0700
                          Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid Jay Morris <morrisj@epsilon3.me> - 2025-08-21 11:04 -0500
                            Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-21 10:25 -0700
                              Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2025-08-23 20:19 +0000
                                Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid Tim Merrigan <tppm@rr.ca.com> - 2025-08-23 16:07 -0700
                            Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2025-08-22 15:42 -0400
                              Chili [was Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid] "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2025-08-22 17:54 -0400
                                Re: Chili [was Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid] Jay Morris <morrisj@epsilon3.me> - 2025-08-22 18:11 -0500
                                  Re: Chili [was Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid] Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2025-08-22 20:38 -0400
              Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-08-17 21:50 -0400
                Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2025-08-18 02:19 +0000
            Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2025-08-17 22:46 +0000
        Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> - 2025-08-17 20:12 -0400
          Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2025-08-18 01:49 +0000
        Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) - 2025-08-18 17:22 +0100
          Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2025-08-18 18:18 +0000
            Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 18:59 -0400
              Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2025-08-19 01:28 +0000
                Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 21:50 -0400
                  Re: Montreal wins 2027 Worldcon bid "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2025-08-19 15:05 +0000

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#146883

Gary McGath  <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
>
>Having a Berliner in Berlin is more difficult. That name for a pastry 
>similar to the American jelly doughnut is a regional one, and I'm told 
>it isn't much used in Berlin. For that and other reasons, JFK's audience 
>wasn't confused.

Perhaps, but I did have a Berlinerweisse in Berlin.
--scott
-- 
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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#146888

On 8/18/25 11:51 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Gary McGath  <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
>>
>> Having a Berliner in Berlin is more difficult. That name for a pastry
>> similar to the American jelly doughnut is a regional one, and I'm told
>> it isn't much used in Berlin. For that and other reasons, JFK's audience
>> wasn't confused.
> 
> Perhaps, but I did have a Berlinerweisse in Berlin.

You could also have a sandwich in Hawaii. (Points to anyone who knows why.)

-- 
Gary McGath    http://www.mcgath.com

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#146889

On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 02:41:05 -0400
Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:

> On 8/18/25 11:51 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> > Gary McGath  <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Having a Berliner in Berlin is more difficult. That name for a pastry
> >> similar to the American jelly doughnut is a regional one, and I'm told
> >> it isn't much used in Berlin. For that and other reasons, JFK's audience
> >> wasn't confused.
> > 
> > Perhaps, but I did have a Berlinerweisse in Berlin.
> 
> You could also have a sandwich in Hawaii. (Points to anyone who knows why.)
> 
Ah, back when Britannia ruled the waves.

Don't expect to get anything other than a blank stare if you ask for an
English Muffin in England.

(Muffin the Mule was a different thing, but not an illegal offence).

-- 
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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#146892

In article <20250820112100.fc2b19c1c33ccf4eb24060b8@127.0.0.1>,
admin@127.0.0.1 (Kerr-Mudd, John) wrote:

> 
> Don't expect to get anything other than a blank stare if you ask for 
> an
> English Muffin in England.

In my family in the fifties, we used muffin and crumpet interchangeably
for crumpets.  Never came across and English muffin till my first visit
to the US in 1980, but, it turned out, they were by then stocked in
British supermarkets.


> 
> (Muffin the Mule was a different thing, but not an illegal offence).

A favourite of mine in the fifties, and the puppeteers behind him did a
show in my town in the mid-sixties.

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#146890

On 8/20/25 2:41 AM, Gary McGath wrote:
> On 8/18/25 11:51 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> Gary McGath  <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Having a Berliner in Berlin is more difficult. That name for a pastry
>>> similar to the American jelly doughnut is a regional one, and I'm told
>>> it isn't much used in Berlin. For that and other reasons, JFK's audience
>>> wasn't confused.
>>
>> Perhaps, but I did have a Berlinerweisse in Berlin.
> 
> You could also have a sandwich in Hawaii. (Points to anyone who knows why.)
> 
It's earl-y, but I still know this one.

In NJ we have Egg Harbor and, if you stretch it, Cranbury.

-- 
Evelyn C. Leeper, http://leepers.us/evelyn
Don't ever save anything for a special occasion.
Every day you're alive is a special occasion. -Ann Wells

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#146894

On 8/20/25 7:37 AM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
> On 8/20/25 2:41 AM, Gary McGath wrote:
>> On 8/18/25 11:51 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>> Gary McGath  <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
>>> Perhaps, but I did have a Berlinerweisse in Berlin.
>>
>> You could also have a sandwich in Hawaii. (Points to anyone who knows 
>> why.)
>>
> It's earl-y, but I still know this one.
> 
> In NJ we have Egg Harbor and, if you stretch it, Cranbury.
> 

After you've made all these stops, you can finish with Eaton, New Hampshire.

-- 
Gary McGath    http://www.mcgath.com

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#146891

In article <1083qm1$6463$1@dont-email.me>,
Gary McGath  <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
>On 8/18/25 11:51 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> Gary McGath  <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Having a Berliner in Berlin is more difficult. That name for a pastry
>>> similar to the American jelly doughnut is a regional one, and I'm told
>>> it isn't much used in Berlin. For that and other reasons, JFK's audience
>>> wasn't confused.
>> 
>> Perhaps, but I did have a Berlinerweisse in Berlin.
>
>You could also have a sandwich in Hawaii. (Points to anyone who knows why.)

And sadly, a Hawaiian Punch also.
--scott
-- 
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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#146893

In article <1083qm1$6463$1@dont-email.me>,
Gary McGath  <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
>On 8/18/25 11:51 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> Gary McGath  <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Having a Berliner in Berlin is more difficult. That name for a pastry
>>> similar to the American jelly doughnut is a regional one, and I'm told
>>> it isn't much used in Berlin. For that and other reasons, JFK's audience
>>> wasn't confused.
>> 
>> Perhaps, but I did have a Berlinerweisse in Berlin.
>
>You could also have a sandwich in Hawaii. (Points to anyone who knows why.)

[Hal Heydt]
One would hope that one would be pretty well known in these
circles.

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#146886

In article <1080fgi$se6$1@panix3.panix.com>, kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:

> 
> >Wouldn't it make more sense to have a frankfurter in Frankfurt?
> >(Frankfurt is a city in Germany.  Frankfort is the capital of
> >Kentucky.)
> 
> That's much farther away.  You might as well have chili in Chile if
> you're going to do that.

Not for me it isn't.

As it happened, I spent a few days in Frankfurt on my way back from
Vienna.    Didn't have any frankfurters, though.

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#146887

On 8/19/25 12:01 PM, Paul Dormer wrote:
> In article <1080fgi$se6$1@panix3.panix.com>, kludge@panix.com (Scott
> Dorsey) wrote:
> 
>>
>>> Wouldn't it make more sense to have a frankfurter in Frankfurt?
>>> (Frankfurt is a city in Germany.  Frankfort is the capital of
>>> Kentucky.)
>>
>> That's much farther away.  You might as well have chili in Chile if
>> you're going to do that.
> 
> Not for me it isn't.
> 
> As it happened, I spent a few days in Frankfurt on my way back from
> Vienna.    Didn't have any frankfurters, though.

For me, the shortest trip of this kind would be to have a sandwich in 
Sandwich, NH, possibly on rye bread from Rye, NH.

-- 
Gary McGath    http://www.mcgath.com

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#146895

In article <10838nm$2c8t$1@dont-email.me>, garym@mcgath.com (Gary McGath)
wrote:

> 
> For me, the shortest trip of this kind would be to have a sandwich in 
> Sandwich, NH, possibly on rye bread from Rye, NH.

I don't know how far Sandwich is to you, but Sandwich in Kent is about
140km due east of here.  (I presume it is the one associated with the
Earl of Sandwich, after whom the snack is named.  Rye is a bit closer, in
East Sussex,

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#146896

Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
> I don't know how far Sandwich is to you, but Sandwich in Kent is
> about 140km due east of here.  (I presume it is the one associated
> with the Earl of Sandwich, after whom the snack is named.

I wouldn't assume that, since British titles are often held by different
people at different times.  But on looking it up, I see that you're right.
The food was named for the 4th Earl, whom the Hawaiian islands were also
named for.

But the Earl was named for Sandwich in Kent, not vice versa.

I recently emailed Gary:

  >> Here's a trivia question for you:  A river and a town in Virginia
  >> are named for James I.  But he's better known for his edition of
  >> the Bible.  What, if anything, has been named for James II?

  > Was it the Jacobites?

  Yes and no.  They supported him, then his son who was also named
  James, then his grandson Charles.  But I was thinking of something
  in the US.

  Hint:  It's often not obvious from the name who something is named
  for.  The state I live in was named for Elizabeth I, the state to my
  immediate south was named for Charles I, and the state to my immediate
  north was named for Herietta Maria.  That state's largest city is
  named for Cecil Calvert.  The Australian state named for Queen
  Alexandrina has a capital city named for William Lamb.  The capital
  of New Zealand was named for Arthur Wellesly.

He got the correct answer, though I didn't mention that every city I
mentioned has hosted a Worldcon.
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#146902

On 8/19/2025 9:34 PM, Gary McGath wrote:
> On 8/19/25 12:01 PM, Paul Dormer wrote:
>> In article <1080fgi$se6$1@panix3.panix.com>, kludge@panix.com (Scott
>> Dorsey) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> Wouldn't it make more sense to have a frankfurter in Frankfurt?
>>>> (Frankfurt is a city in Germany.  Frankfort is the capital of
>>>> Kentucky.)
>>>
>>> That's much farther away.  You might as well have chili in Chile if
>>> you're going to do that.
>>
>> Not for me it isn't.
>>
>> As it happened, I spent a few days in Frankfurt on my way back from
>> Vienna.    Didn't have any frankfurters, though.
> 
> For me, the shortest trip of this kind would be to have a sandwich in 
> Sandwich, NH, possibly on rye bread from Rye, NH.

...and here I was going to post about Sandwich, MA. There's also
Sandwiches in IL and ONT.

pt

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#146897

On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 18:04:48 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com
(Scott Dorsey) wrote:

> Is the next one on the bucket list to have a frankfurter in Frankfort?

I grew up 12.3 miles from Frankfort, but I don't think I
ever had a hot dog actually in the town.  At one 4-H event,
I walked around a huge pile of brush looking for a fire that
was exactly right for toasting a weenie.  I don't remember
anything but hamburgers and tenderloins at urban eateries.

A brief perusal of Google Maps strongly suggests that if
want to have a bowl of chili in Chili, I will have to be
invited into someone's home.  There doesn't seem to be so
much as a public gazebo or even a parking place where one
could open a thermos.

-- 
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

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#146898

On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 18:04:48 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com
(Scott Dorsey) wrote:

> Is the next one on the bucket list to have a frankfurter in Frankfort?

I grew up 12.3 miles from Frankfort, but I don't think I
ever had a hot dog actually in the town.  At one 4-H event,
I walked around a huge pile of brush looking for a fire that
was exactly right for toasting a weenie.  I don't remember
anything but hamburgers and tenderloins at urban eateries.

A brief perusal of Google Maps strongly suggests that if
want to have a bowl of chili in Chili, I will have to be
invited into someone's home.  There doesn't seem to be so
much as a public gazebo or even a parking place where one
could open a thermos.

-- 
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

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#146899

On 8/20/2025 8:11 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
> A brief perusal of Google Maps strongly suggests that if
> want to have a bowl of chili in Chili, I will have to be
> invited into someone's home.  There doesn't seem to be so
> much as a public gazebo or even a parking place where one
> could open a thermos.

Well, considering that chili is a Tex/Mex concoction…

I've heard it was invented by Hungarian immigrants trying to make 
goulash with local ingredients.

-- 

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Tim Merrigan

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#146900

On 8/21/2025 8:50 AM, Tim Merrigan wrote:
> On 8/20/2025 8:11 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
>> A brief perusal of Google Maps strongly suggests that if
>> want to have a bowl of chili in Chili, I will have to be
>> invited into someone's home.  There doesn't seem to be so
>> much as a public gazebo or even a parking place where one
>> could open a thermos.
> 
> Well, considering that chili is a Tex/Mex concoction…
> 
> I've heard it was invented by Hungarian immigrants trying to make 
> goulash with local ingredients.
> 
....
San Antonio is widely considered the birthplace of chili con carne, with 
strong ties to the city's Canary Islander population and the "Chili 
Queens" who sold it in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. While the 
exact origins are debated, the influence of Canary Islanders who settled 
in San Antonio in 1731, bringing with them spices and cooking techniques 
from their homeland, is a key part of the story.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
1. Canary Islander Influence:

     In 1731, families from the Canary Islands were recruited to settle 
in San Antonio, forming a community that became influential in the 
city's business and political landscape.

They brought with them culinary traditions, including the use of cumin 
and a style of stewing meat with chili peppers, garlic, and wild onions, 
which closely resembles Moroccan Berber cooking.
This distinctive blend of spices and ingredients is believed to be a 
foundational element of early chili recipes.

2. The Chili Queens:

     In the late 1800s and early 1900s, "Chili Queens" became a popular 
fixture in San Antonio, particularly in Military Plaza.

These women, mostly of Mexican descent, sold chili con carne from 
outdoor stalls, attracting locals and travelers with their engaging 
personalities and flavorful dishes.
Their chili was typically all beef, with no beans, and was often served 
with tamales and enchiladas, becoming a defining part of San Antonio's 
Tex-Mex culinary identity.
....

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#146901

On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 11:04:06 -0500
Jay Morris <morrisj@epsilon3.me> wrote:

> San Antonio is widely considered the birthplace of chili con carne,
> with strong ties to the city's Canary Islander population and the
> "Chili Queens" who sold it in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
> While the exact origins are debated, the influence of Canary
> Islanders who settled in San Antonio in 1731, bringing with them
> spices and cooking techniques from their homeland, is a key part of
> the story.
> 
> Here's a more detailed breakdown:
> 1. Canary Islander Influence:
> 
>      In 1731, families from the Canary Islands were recruited to
> settle in San Antonio, forming a community that became influential in
> the city's business and political landscape.
> 
> They brought with them culinary traditions, including the use of
> cumin and a style of stewing meat with chili peppers, garlic, and
> wild onions, which closely resembles Moroccan Berber cooking.
> This distinctive blend of spices and ingredients is believed to be a 
> foundational element of early chili recipes.
> 
> 2. The Chili Queens:
> 
>      In the late 1800s and early 1900s, "Chili Queens" became a
> popular fixture in San Antonio, particularly in Military Plaza.
> 
> These women, mostly of Mexican descent, sold chili con carne from 
> outdoor stalls, attracting locals and travelers with their engaging 
> personalities and flavorful dishes.
> Their chili was typically all beef, with no beans, and was often
> served with tamales and enchiladas, becoming a defining part of San
> Antonio's Tex-Mex culinary identity.

Had never heard about this before. Fascinating!

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#146907

John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jay Morris <morrisj@epsilon3.me> wrote:
>> Here's a more detailed breakdown:
>> 1. Canary Islander Influence:  ...

> Had never heard about this before.  Fascinating!

One of my favorite trick questions involves that island chain.

What kind of animal were they named for?
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#146908

On 8/23/2025 1:19 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
> John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Jay Morris <morrisj@epsilon3.me> wrote:
>>> Here's a more detailed breakdown:
>>> 1. Canary Islander Influence:  ...
> 
>> Had never heard about this before.  Fascinating!
> 
> One of my favorite trick questions involves that island chain.
> 
> What kind of animal were they named for?

Canus, of course.

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