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  What are the best free AI apps for old iPhones? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2025-04-08 16:00 +0000
    Re: What are the best free AI apps for old iPhones? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 19:28 +0000
      Re: What are the best free AI apps for old iPhones? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-08 20:19 +0000
        Re: What are the best free AI apps for old iPhones? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 20:52 +0000
    Re: What are the best free AI apps for old iPhones? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2025-04-08 20:46 +0000
      Re: What are the best free AI apps for old iPhones? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 20:59 +0000
        Re: What are the best free AI apps for old iPhones? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2025-04-09 02:02 +0000
    Re: What are the best free AI apps for old iPhones? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-04-08 21:25 +0000
      Re: What are the best free AI apps for old iPhones? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 22:14 +0000
        Re: What are the best free AI apps for old iPhones? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2025-04-09 02:05 +0000
          Re: What are the best free AI apps for old iPhones? "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-04-10 21:25 +0000

#194216 — What are the best free AI apps for old iPhones?

Like in 11 Pro Max?

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
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#194219

On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 16:00:35 -0000 (UTC), Ant wrote :


> Like in 11 Pro Max?

Good question. I looked up the answer for you.

ChatGPT (by OpenAI):
 iOS: <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/chatgpt/id6448311069>
 Android: <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.openai.chatgpt>
 <https://chatgpt.com>

Gemini (by Google DeepMind):
 iOS: <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google-gemini/id6477489729>
 Android: <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.gemini>
 <https://gemini.google.com>
 <https://deepmind.com/research>

There are others, but I tested the web sites of both of those.
Neither requires a login. ChatGPT nags you; but doesn't require it.
Google Gemini only nags you to upgrade; but doesn't require it either.

Good luck. Let us all know how it works as I have an old iPhone also.

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#194222

Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 16:00:35 -0000 (UTC), Ant wrote :
> 
> 
>> Like in 11 Pro Max?
> 
> Good question. I looked up the answer for you.

Ant asked for the best ones, not a list. What do you recommend from your
experience?

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#194226

On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 20:19:25 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :


>>> Like in 11 Pro Max?
>> 
>> Good question. I looked up the answer for you.
> 
> Ant asked for the best ones, not a list. 
> What do you recommend from your experience?

Well, I'm NOT an expert. So take everything below with a grain of salt.

Oh, I have no doubt which is the best, but I hate to say it, because it's
from Google (actually ABC bought it from DeepMind so it's kind of not).

I may be wrong, as I have only been testing the chatgpt & Gemini web
interface on Windows against each other for about the past week or so. 

I paste the EXACT same question of both of them. CoPilot too.
But CoPilot is not on Android or iOS so I will ignore Copilot for this.

Hands down, unfortunately, Google AI results are far better than ChatGPT.
Although both make mistakes that are sophomoric. They don't check things.

Both will apologize profusely when you catch them in an error.
But Google Gemini realizes its mistakes way (way!) sooner than ChatGPT.
It's shockingly bad how many "turns" it takes to get ChatGPT to be right.

An example is I asked for a greyhound bus schedule out of Yreka California
and an Amtrak train schedule out of nearby Weed California and then I asked
the same question for Dunsmuir California (all three are near each other).

Try it. Watch what happens if you ask what buses come out of there.
(Hopefully they both learned by now the correct answer.)

Neither gave me the correct answer (as I knew the correct answer).
But hopefully both learned by now (as that's the main point of AI).

I've been asking the *same* questions of both of them for a week now.
By far, unfortunately, Gemini puts ChatGPT to shame. Too bad.

ChatGPT makes the dumbest of mistakes, like if you ask it for a URL to a
site, it gives you a URL which is completely fabricated. It doesn't test
it.

At least Google Gemini, when it gives you a Url, that URL is real.
So, if you ask my opinion, at the moment, ChatGPT sucks compared to Gemini.

To bad as I'm no fan of Google.

BTW, one nice thing about ChatGPT is you can say:
 Hey Siri - call ChatGPT (1.800.chat.gpt)

It will call it (if you put "ChatGPT" in your contacts, of course.)
But you only get 15 minutes a month.

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#194225

I forgot to mention Siri is awful even with basic questions. :(


Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
> Like in 11 Pro Max?

> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
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#194227

On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 20:46:51 -0000 (UTC), Ant wrote :


> I forgot to mention Siri is awful even with basic questions. :(

I forgot to mention that you can use Siri with chatGPT.

Here's how I did it at the old people's home that I volunteer at.

1. Put 1.800.chatgpt in your phone contacts as "chatgpt".
2. Then say, "Hey Siri... call ChatGPT"
3. It will call and you can ask the question by voice
   and it will respond by voice.

But.... 

a. I think it works only in the USA.
b. And I think it's limited to 15 minutes per month.
c. And... I think there's no way to extend that limit... 

I also forgot to mention that the Gemini app (at least on Android), will
listen to a voice question & talk out the answer also. 

The reason talking is important is because these older people (older than I
am anyway) can't really use their fingers all that much anymore.

So I'm desperately trying to find them a way to ask AI questions without
them having to pay money to get the app to listen to a voice query and to
speak out the answer.

So far, the best two I have found are those above, but there may be others.

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#194234

Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 20:46:51 -0000 (UTC), Ant wrote :


> > I forgot to mention Siri is awful even with basic questions. :(

> I forgot to mention that you can use Siri with chatGPT.

> Here's how I did it at the old people's home that I volunteer at.

> 1. Put 1.800.chatgpt in your phone contacts as "chatgpt".
> 2. Then say, "Hey Siri... call ChatGPT"
> 3. It will call and you can ask the question by voice
>    and it will respond by voice.

I prefer not to give these services my phone numbers and e-mail addresses (should had mentioned this in my original post).


> But.... 

> a. I think it works only in the USA.
> b. And I think it's limited to 15 minutes per month.
> c. And... I think there's no way to extend that limit... 

Wow, even if paying the service for those want to?


> I also forgot to mention that the Gemini app (at least on Android), will
> listen to a voice question & talk out the answer also. 

> The reason talking is important is because these older people (older than I
> am anyway) can't really use their fingers all that much anymore.

> So I'm desperately trying to find them a way to ask AI questions without
> them having to pay money to get the app to listen to a voice query and to
> speak out the answer.

> So far, the best two I have found are those above, but there may be others.

Thanks, man.
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#194229

Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> Like in 11 Pro Max?
> 
> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)


Grok seems to be the most polished. I asked a simple question from Copilot,
Gemini, Grok. Here are the results.

Question:
Did the NHL solve the booing during national anthem?

---------------------

Copilot:

The NHL has decided to maintain the tradition of playing national anthems
before games, despite incidents of booing during performances. According to
insiders, the league believes that sticking to tradition is the best course
of action, even if it means dealing with occasional disruptions. Some teams
may adjust their approach, such as avoiding young singers who might be
affected by negative reactions.

What are your thoughts on this approach?


-------------

Grok:

As of April 2, 2025, the NHL has not "solved" the issue of fans booing
during national anthems in the sense of implementing a definitive
league-wide policy or action that has completely stopped it. The booing,
particularly between Canadian and American fans, gained attention during
the 2025 4 Nations Face-Off tournament and other recent games, driven
largely by political tensions over U.S. tariffs and comments from President
Donald Trump about Canada becoming the "51st state." This sparked a
back-and-forth where Canadian fans booed "The Star-Spangled Banner," and
some American fans retaliated by booing "O Canada."

The NHL has not publicly outlined a specific strategy to address this
behavior beyond general calls for respect. For example, during the 4
Nations Face-Off final on February 20, 2025, in Boston, the public address
announcer asked the crowd to respect both anthems, but boos were still
audible during "O Canada." Similarly, at other events like the Toronto Blue
Jays' Opening Day on March 27, 2025, the PA announcer urged fans to "be
respectful" before the anthems, though booing persisted. These efforts
suggest a preference for in-venue appeals rather than punitive measures or
structural changes.

NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman has acknowledged the issue in discussions,
such as on a Fox News segment in early March 2025, where he noted the
"fiery matchup" between the U.S. and Canada, including the anthem booing.
However, no concrete league action—like fines, suspensions, or altering
pre-game traditions—has been reported. The league seems to view it as a
fan-driven expression tied to broader geopolitical sentiments rather than a
problem requiring direct intervention.

The booing has continued sporadically, with instances like New York Rangers
fans booing "O Canada" on March 1, 2025, at Madison Square Garden, showing
it hasn’t been fully curbed. Some argue it’s a natural part of sports
rivalries, amplified by current events, while others see it as
disrespectful. Without a clear resolution or policy shift from the NHL, it
remains an ongoing phenomenon as of now, dependent more on fan behavior and
external tensions than any league fix.


------------

Gemini:

Based on the information available, the NHL has not "solved" the issue of
booing during the national anthem. Here's a breakdown of what the
information indicates:

Recurring Issue:
Booing during the national anthem, particularly in games involving U.S. and
Canadian teams, has been a recurring issue, especially during the 4 Nations
Face-Off.
The booing has been linked to political tensions, such as trade disputes.
NHL's Response:
NHL officials, like Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly, have made pleas for fans
to maintain politeness. However, these pleas have not consistently stopped
the booing. The NHL has also stated that they are not planning to change
their pre-game national anthem routines. Context:
The booing appears to be tied to broader political and social tensions,
making it a complex issue. The players on the ice have also been seen to be
feeding into the intensity of the games, which can also increase the
intensity of the crowds reactions.
In summary, while the NHL has acknowledged the issue, it has not found a
definitive solution to eliminate booing during the national anthem.

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#194232

On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 21:25:49 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


> Grok seems to be the most polished.

Ah. Great! Like you, I have been testing ChatGPT, Gemini & Copilot the same
way you're doing it (by asking the exact same question of each).

I didn't know about Grok AI though.
Looking it up (so that others don't have to)... here are the links. 

 <https://grok.com>
 <https://apps.apple.com/au/app/grok-by-xai/id6670324846>
 <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ai.x.grok> 
 <there is no official windows app for grok yet>

I'm no expert, but I googled and it seems, unfortunately, Grok requires a
username/password (which, for me, is a deal breaker but maybe not for Ant).

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#194235

Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 21:25:49 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


> > Grok seems to be the most polished.

> Ah. Great! Like you, I have been testing ChatGPT, Gemini & Copilot the same
> way you're doing it (by asking the exact same question of each).

> I didn't know about Grok AI though.
> Looking it up (so that others don't have to)... here are the links. 

>  <https://grok.com>
>  <https://apps.apple.com/au/app/grok-by-xai/id6670324846>
>  <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ai.x.grok> 
>  <there is no official windows app for grok yet>

> I'm no expert, but I googled and it seems, unfortunately, Grok requires a
> username/password (which, for me, is a deal breaker but maybe not for Ant).

Deal breaker for me too. It looks like ChatGPT will be OK although I get 
annoyed with its vibrations! I cannot turn it off in this app. There's 
no setting for it. I don't want to turn it off for all apps. Just this app!
-- 
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#194320

Ant wrote:

>> I'm no expert, but I googled and it seems, unfortunately, Grok
>>requires a  username/password (which, for me, is a deal breaker but
>>maybe not for Ant).
>
>Deal breaker for me too. It looks like ChatGPT will be OK although I
>get annoyed with its vibrations! I cannot turn it off in this app.
>There's no setting for it. I don't want to turn it off for all apps.
>Just this app!

Grok is Twitter-X.  If you have an account with them it will work.

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