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| Started by | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2025-03-18 18:12 -0400 |
| Last post | 2025-03-26 11:09 +1300 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 231 — 20 participants |
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Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-18 18:12 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-20 09:14 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 12:23 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 13:44 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 13:43 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 19:50 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Mikey <Mikey.Smith@aol.invalid> - 2025-03-21 15:00 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-21 19:59 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 16:45 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 12:26 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 23:53 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 20:00 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-21 20:27 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-22 00:45 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 19:57 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 21:49 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-21 22:29 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 16:29 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 19:59 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 20:14 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 20:29 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 01:59 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-22 04:54 -0500
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 09:22 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-22 19:16 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 07:40 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-20 14:26 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 17:58 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-20 15:52 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 20:48 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 12:31 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-21 16:47 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 13:00 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 12:29 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-21 12:40 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 15:56 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-21 22:27 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 16:36 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 14:04 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 17:52 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-22 19:18 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 19:23 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 19:17 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 08:18 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-23 12:21 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:00 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 18:06 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:17 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 18:22 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:35 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 18:41 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:54 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:11 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-23 21:05 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:22 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 17:31 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-23 22:34 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 08:53 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 13:39 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 10:48 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 19:59 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 17:47 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 23:12 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:36 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:42 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 18:57 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 23:20 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:38 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:46 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-25 00:59 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 18:17 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-25 01:30 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:58 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:44 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 22:52 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:16 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:24 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:40 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:45 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:48 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:02 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 21:10 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:26 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-04-09 18:40 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-09 11:51 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-10 10:07 +1200
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-09 18:16 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-10 19:48 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:08 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 18:14 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 19:29 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:46 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:09 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-25 06:24 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 02:31 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-23 12:20 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:13 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-23 15:39 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 15:52 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:58 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 16:11 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 22:12 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-23 16:02 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 16:09 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 20:25 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 16:34 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:43 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-03-24 09:09 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-03-24 20:10 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 18:33 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:51 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:06 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 15:26 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:33 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:44 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:11 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:47 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:11 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 18:13 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:57 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:43 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 22:54 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:15 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:22 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:36 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:43 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:49 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:09 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 21:11 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:29 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Rudy Canoza <rc@j.kone.invalid> - 2025-03-25 02:32 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 02:41 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 18:27 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 16:55 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 20:08 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 17:10 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 20:21 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 23:11 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 02:50 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-05 16:06 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 16:17 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-04-05 20:42 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 07:42 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 08:07 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 15:44 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 12:46 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 15:59 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 13:11 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-07 08:57 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-05 15:49 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 16:16 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-06 01:26 +0000
Re: π³οΈβπApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπ³οΈβπ πππ»πΊπΉπ»ππ·πΊπJenπππ»πΊπΉπ»ππ·πΊπ Dershmendenderer ππ»πΊπΉπ»ππ·πΊπΆη¬πππ»πΊπΉπ»ππ·πΊπ <root@127.0.0.1> - 2025-04-06 03:18 +0000
Re: π³οΈβπApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπ³οΈβπ vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-06 03:35 +0000
Re: π³οΈβπApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπ³οΈβπ vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-06 04:31 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 19:17 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-23 03:15 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-23 18:01 +1300
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-23 18:08 +1300
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-23 05:37 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:45 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 23:33 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:46 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:13 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:47 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-25 00:52 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:59 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:48 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:43 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 22:28 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:44 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 08:43 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 08:48 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 08:12 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 04:20 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 18:48 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 14:54 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-25 17:24 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 20:33 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-25 18:03 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 21:19 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 07:40 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-26 08:36 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 20:15 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-27 10:05 +1300
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 17:43 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-26 19:05 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 19:17 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-27 02:25 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 19:49 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-27 03:30 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 11:57 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 20:15 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 16:18 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 07:45 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-27 08:41 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 12:20 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 00:44 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 21:20 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-27 18:26 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 21:53 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-27 22:42 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-28 01:45 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-28 07:50 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 02:08 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 22:16 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 12:06 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 18:11 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 00:43 +0000
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-24 19:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vrt57k$1u3ji$12@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #193913 |
On 2025-03-24 18:57, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> this [thread] is crossposted to a >>>>>>> newsgroup populated by people with a pulse. What I showed in the >>>>>>> image was actually not as loaded as it will get with my system. GIMP >>>>>>> was the only extra thing running, not LibreOffice or any array of PDF >>>>>>> windows or something. I can eat up RAM. >>>>>> >>>>>> And yet you won't show the proof... >>>>> >>>>> I don't have a need to prove to you that I'm telling the truth. >>>> >>>> Yeah, actually: >>>> >>>> you do. >>>> >>>>> I >>>>> have used a hair of swap, with 32 GB, it happens after a while of >>>>> running the computer and using things that use RAM. >>>> So show it. >>> >>> >>> Why? What do I need to prove I'm telling you the truth about such a >>> simple matter? >> >> Because it's easy, and if you could show it, you would. >> >> Not showing it makes you look like a liar. > > > Do you think my collection of concurrently running apps would not use > any RAM, or something? > I think you could show us... ...if you didn't have something to hide.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-24 22:54 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <7j64uj172e6b9tat3v1n7gla57mml2ag0j@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #193916 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>> I >>>>>> have used a hair of swap, with 32 GB, it happens after a while of >>>>>> running the computer and using things that use RAM. >>>>> So show it. >>>> >>>> Why? What do I need to prove I'm telling you the truth about such a >>>> simple matter? >>> >>> Because it's easy, and if you could show it, you would. >>> >>> Not showing it makes you look like a liar. >> >> Do you think my collection of concurrently running apps would not use >> any RAM, or something? > >I think you could show us... > >...if you didn't have something to hide. https://i.imgur.com/bNZVr8U.png -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-24 20:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vrt75c$1u3up$13@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #193921 |
On 2025-03-24 19:54, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> have used a hair of swap, with 32 GB, it happens after a while of >>>>>>> running the computer and using things that use RAM. >>>>>> So show it. >>>>> >>>>> Why? What do I need to prove I'm telling you the truth about such a >>>>> simple matter? >>>> >>>> Because it's easy, and if you could show it, you would. >>>> >>>> Not showing it makes you look like a liar. >>> >>> Do you think my collection of concurrently running apps would not use >>> any RAM, or something? >> >> I think you could show us... >> >> ...if you didn't have something to hide. > > > https://i.imgur.com/bNZVr8U.png > You've just shown that you DO NOT need 32GB of RAM... (and that Linux isn't smart enough to count RAM in base-2).
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-24 23:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <la84uj509776pppj6k2ovtiam775nrr8aj@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #193922 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> have used a hair of swap, with 32 GB, it happens after a while of >>>>>>>> running the computer and using things that use RAM. >>>>>>> So show it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Why? What do I need to prove I'm telling you the truth about such a >>>>>> simple matter? >>>>> >>>>> Because it's easy, and if you could show it, you would. >>>>> >>>>> Not showing it makes you look like a liar. >>>> >>>> Do you think my collection of concurrently running apps would not use >>>> any RAM, or something? >>> >>> I think you could show us... >>> >>> ...if you didn't have something to hide. >> >> https://i.imgur.com/bNZVr8U.png > >You've just shown that you DO NOT need 32GB of RAM... Are you that dumb? It was using over 25 billion bytes of RAM, including cache. 16 GB would be far below that. >(and that Linux isn't smart enough to count RAM in base-2). Heh ... -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-24 20:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vrt8cn$2br5v$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #193924 |
On 2025-03-24 20:22, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> have used a hair of swap, with 32 GB, it happens after a while of >>>>>>>>> running the computer and using things that use RAM. >>>>>>>> So show it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why? What do I need to prove I'm telling you the truth about such a >>>>>>> simple matter? >>>>>> >>>>>> Because it's easy, and if you could show it, you would. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not showing it makes you look like a liar. >>>>> >>>>> Do you think my collection of concurrently running apps would not use >>>>> any RAM, or something? >>>> >>>> I think you could show us... >>>> >>>> ...if you didn't have something to hide. >>> >>> https://i.imgur.com/bNZVr8U.png >> >> You've just shown that you DO NOT need 32GB of RAM... > > > Are you that dumb? Not as dumb as you... > It was using over 25 billion bytes of RAM, > including cache. 16 GB would be far below that. 1. It was only "using over 25 billion bytes of RAM" because you're counting caching; which is what smart systems do when there's RAM lying around free. 2. You seem to think that the next step below having 32GB of RAM is 16GB.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-24 23:43 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pb94uj5r88jfn465jh4va0o8kjg96515pe@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #193926 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>> Do you think my collection of concurrently running apps would not use >>>>>> any RAM, or something? >>>>> >>>>> I think you could show us... >>>>> >>>>> ...if you didn't have something to hide. >>>> >>>> https://i.imgur.com/bNZVr8U.png >>> >>> You've just shown that you DO NOT need 32GB of RAM... >> >> Are you that dumb? > >Not as dumb as you... > >> It was using over 25 billion bytes of RAM, >> including cache. 16 GB would be far below that. > >1. It was only "using over 25 billion bytes of RAM" because you're >counting caching; which is what smart systems do when there's RAM lying >around free. And it's good to have ample RAM for it, is the point. >2. You seem to think that the next step below having 32GB of RAM is 16GB. ROFL. You are proving that you have a small mind. Yes, Alan, I could've installed an additional 8 GB to the original 16, for 24. I could also drink a fuckin' Pepsi and realize how overanalyzed that would be, I bought the same pair I originally had, to make four times 8 GB instead of two times 8 GB, it was a very sensible and affordable decision, because in the ensuing years since I assembled the machine, the prices of RAM had declined. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-24 20:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vrt945$2br2p$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #193928 |
On 2025-03-24 20:43, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> Do you think my collection of concurrently running apps would not use >>>>>>> any RAM, or something? >>>>>> >>>>>> I think you could show us... >>>>>> >>>>>> ...if you didn't have something to hide. >>>>> >>>>> https://i.imgur.com/bNZVr8U.png >>>> >>>> You've just shown that you DO NOT need 32GB of RAM... >>> >>> Are you that dumb? >> >> Not as dumb as you... >> >>> It was using over 25 billion bytes of RAM, >>> including cache. 16 GB would be far below that. >> >> 1. It was only "using over 25 billion bytes of RAM" because you're >> counting caching; which is what smart systems do when there's RAM lying >> around free. > > > And it's good to have ample RAM for it, is the point. > > >> 2. You seem to think that the next step below having 32GB of RAM is 16GB. > > > ROFL. You are proving that you have a small mind. Yes, Alan, I > could've installed an additional 8 GB to the original 16, for 24. I > could also drink a fuckin' Pepsi and realize how overanalyzed that > would be, I bought the same pair I originally had, to make four times > 8 GB instead of two times 8 GB, it was a very sensible and affordable > decision, because in the ensuing years since I assembled the machine, > the prices of RAM had declined. I only mentioned it to show your limited thinking.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-25 00:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1va4ujp01oral5qi15t16eu3r63da2d95v@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #193931 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>> 2. You seem to think that the next step below having 32GB of RAM is 16GB. >> >> ROFL. You are proving that you have a small mind. Yes, Alan, I >> could've installed an additional 8 GB to the original 16, for 24. I >> could also drink a fuckin' Pepsi and realize how overanalyzed that >> would be, I bought the same pair I originally had, to make four times >> 8 GB instead of two times 8 GB, it was a very sensible and affordable >> decision, because in the ensuing years since I assembled the machine, >> the prices of RAM had declined. >I only mentioned it to show your limited thinking. OK, but seriously, if I started with two times 8 GB, why would the next step be to add two times 4 GB? A mere 50% increase, not even using as large a size as the first two? Doesn't that seem kinda gay? -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-24 21:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vrtadf$2br2p$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #193935 |
On 2025-03-24 21:09, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > >>>> 2. You seem to think that the next step below having 32GB of RAM is 16GB. >>> >>> ROFL. You are proving that you have a small mind. Yes, Alan, I >>> could've installed an additional 8 GB to the original 16, for 24. I >>> could also drink a fuckin' Pepsi and realize how overanalyzed that >>> would be, I bought the same pair I originally had, to make four times >>> 8 GB instead of two times 8 GB, it was a very sensible and affordable >>> decision, because in the ensuing years since I assembled the machine, >>> the prices of RAM had declined. >> I only mentioned it to show your limited thinking. > > > OK, but seriously, if I started with two times 8 GB, why would the > next step be to add two times 4 GB? A mere 50% increase, not even > using as large a size as the first two? Doesn't that seem kinda gay? > And here it comes. It isn't about what is necessary. It's about proving your manhood.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-25 00:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <m6c4ujl4c8ogk9c0hi890tvq2b9ngupsdo@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #193938 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>> 2. You seem to think that the next step below having 32GB of RAM is 16GB. >>>> >>>> ROFL. You are proving that you have a small mind. Yes, Alan, I >>>> could've installed an additional 8 GB to the original 16, for 24. I >>>> could also drink a fuckin' Pepsi and realize how overanalyzed that >>>> would be, I bought the same pair I originally had, to make four times >>>> 8 GB instead of two times 8 GB, it was a very sensible and affordable >>>> decision, because in the ensuing years since I assembled the machine, >>>> the prices of RAM had declined. >>> I only mentioned it to show your limited thinking. >> >> OK, but seriously, if I started with two times 8 GB, why would the >> next step be to add two times 4 GB? A mere 50% increase, not even >> using as large a size as the first two? Doesn't that seem kinda gay? > >And here it comes. > >It isn't about what is necessary. > >It's about proving your manhood. It seems like common sense, to me, and yet these Sprite-drinking Apple people talk up their platform, as if you get what you pay for, well you do, it's true, you are paying in money whereas I am paying in use of brain. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Rudy Canoza <rc@j.kone.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-25 02:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <182ff818b113c537$34004$19313$2edd246e@news.thecubenet.com> |
| In reply to | #193935 |
Joel wrote: > Doesn't that seem kinda gay? > > https://postimg.cc/2bj9YBTb Yes.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-25 02:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6uj4ujhj5neuflbujjnj1513kkmj3vb9h7@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #193945 |
Rudy Canoza <rc@j.kone.invalid> wrote: >> Doesn't that seem kinda gay? >> >https://postimg.cc/2bj9YBTb > >Yes. My GF fucking me in my ass is heterosexual, dummy, because she's a *transgender woman*, not a cisgender man, duh. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-04 18:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <k3n0vj9gjq062flnc42d7mi3ahsthu2gfv@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #193922 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >> https://i.imgur.com/bNZVr8U.png > >You've just shown that you DO NOT need 32GB of RAM... > >(and that Linux isn't smart enough to count RAM in base-2). https://i.imgur.com/4jItMI0.png As you can see, today, I have puked out a little into swap. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-04 16:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vsprgq$mdap$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #194084 |
On 2025-04-04 15:27, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > >>> https://i.imgur.com/bNZVr8U.png >> >> You've just shown that you DO NOT need 32GB of RAM... >> >> (and that Linux isn't smart enough to count RAM in base-2). > > > https://i.imgur.com/4jItMI0.png > > As you can see, today, I have puked out a little into swap. > Dude: give it up. You've got 33.5 decimal gigabytes of RAM. 19.2GB is in use with the other 14.3GB used for cache. And 3.7MB... ...one HUNDREDTH of one percent of it... ...is swapped out... ...and you think that's a solid argument? Linux has 14.3GB used for caching and for some reason chooses to swap a tiny, TINY fraction of data rather than use a little less for cache... ...and you think you're proving something good?
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-04 20:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <b1t0vj53njfgitf5ntdl8ssvv4e40vlli9@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #194087 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>> https://i.imgur.com/bNZVr8U.png >>> >>> You've just shown that you DO NOT need 32GB of RAM... >>> >>> (and that Linux isn't smart enough to count RAM in base-2). >> >> https://i.imgur.com/4jItMI0.png >> >> As you can see, today, I have puked out a little into swap. > >Dude: give it up. > >You've got 33.5 decimal gigabytes of RAM. > >19.2GB is in use with the other 14.3GB used for cache. > >And 3.7MB... > >...one HUNDREDTH of one percent of it... > >...is swapped out... > >...and you think that's a solid argument? > >Linux has 14.3GB used for caching and for some reason chooses to swap a >tiny, TINY fraction of data rather than use a little less for cache... > >...and you think you're proving something good? So let me get this straight, your argument is that cache isn't actually needed? -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-04 17:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vspsdd$mdb2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #194088 |
On 2025-04-04 17:08, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > >>>>> https://i.imgur.com/bNZVr8U.png >>>> >>>> You've just shown that you DO NOT need 32GB of RAM... >>>> >>>> (and that Linux isn't smart enough to count RAM in base-2). >>> >>> https://i.imgur.com/4jItMI0.png >>> >>> As you can see, today, I have puked out a little into swap. >> >> Dude: give it up. >> >> You've got 33.5 decimal gigabytes of RAM. >> >> 19.2GB is in use with the other 14.3GB used for cache. >> >> And 3.7MB... >> >> ...one HUNDREDTH of one percent of it... >> >> ...is swapped out... >> >> ...and you think that's a solid argument? >> >> Linux has 14.3GB used for caching and for some reason chooses to swap a >> tiny, TINY fraction of data rather than use a little less for cache... >> >> ...and you think you're proving something good? > > > So let me get this straight, your argument is that cache isn't > actually needed? I'm arguing that you've yet to show your system actually using close to all the RAM you say you need.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-04 20:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <3rt0vjlao60tqu7i665j0itpp8kgrtlnrb@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #194089 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/bNZVr8U.png >>>>> >>>>> You've just shown that you DO NOT need 32GB of RAM... >>>>> >>>>> (and that Linux isn't smart enough to count RAM in base-2). >>>> >>>> https://i.imgur.com/4jItMI0.png >>>> >>>> As you can see, today, I have puked out a little into swap. >>> >>> Dude: give it up. >>> >>> You've got 33.5 decimal gigabytes of RAM. >>> >>> 19.2GB is in use with the other 14.3GB used for cache. >>> >>> And 3.7MB... >>> >>> ...one HUNDREDTH of one percent of it... >>> >>> ...is swapped out... >>> >>> ...and you think that's a solid argument? >>> >>> Linux has 14.3GB used for caching and for some reason chooses to swap a >>> tiny, TINY fraction of data rather than use a little less for cache... >>> >>> ...and you think you're proving something good? >> >> So let me get this straight, your argument is that cache isn't >> actually needed? >I'm arguing that you've yet to show your system actually using close to >all the RAM you say you need. It's not using it *for main RAM*, but including cache, it literally is using it all as the image shows, requiring the use of swap. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-04 23:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vsqhje$1i2l3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #194090 |
On 2025-04-04 17:21, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/bNZVr8U.png >>>>>> >>>>>> You've just shown that you DO NOT need 32GB of RAM... >>>>>> >>>>>> (and that Linux isn't smart enough to count RAM in base-2). >>>>> >>>>> https://i.imgur.com/4jItMI0.png >>>>> >>>>> As you can see, today, I have puked out a little into swap. >>>> >>>> Dude: give it up. >>>> >>>> You've got 33.5 decimal gigabytes of RAM. >>>> >>>> 19.2GB is in use with the other 14.3GB used for cache. >>>> >>>> And 3.7MB... >>>> >>>> ...one HUNDREDTH of one percent of it... >>>> >>>> ...is swapped out... >>>> >>>> ...and you think that's a solid argument? >>>> >>>> Linux has 14.3GB used for caching and for some reason chooses to swap a >>>> tiny, TINY fraction of data rather than use a little less for cache... >>>> >>>> ...and you think you're proving something good? >>> >>> So let me get this straight, your argument is that cache isn't >>> actually needed? >> I'm arguing that you've yet to show your system actually using close to >> all the RAM you say you need. > > > It's not using it *for main RAM*, but including cache, it literally is > using it all as the image shows, requiring the use of swap. Nope. For whatever reason, Linux is prioritizing caching over keeping data in RAM to avoid swapping out.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-05 02:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <9kk1vj549h1j9gbdr90pu9m5kl06lb9318@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #194092 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/bNZVr8U.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You've just shown that you DO NOT need 32GB of RAM... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (and that Linux isn't smart enough to count RAM in base-2). >>>>>> >>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/4jItMI0.png >>>>>> >>>>>> As you can see, today, I have puked out a little into swap. >>>>> >>>>> Dude: give it up. >>>>> >>>>> You've got 33.5 decimal gigabytes of RAM. >>>>> >>>>> 19.2GB is in use with the other 14.3GB used for cache. >>>>> >>>>> And 3.7MB... >>>>> >>>>> ...one HUNDREDTH of one percent of it... >>>>> >>>>> ...is swapped out... >>>>> >>>>> ...and you think that's a solid argument? >>>>> >>>>> Linux has 14.3GB used for caching and for some reason chooses to swap a >>>>> tiny, TINY fraction of data rather than use a little less for cache... >>>>> >>>>> ...and you think you're proving something good? >>>> >>>> So let me get this straight, your argument is that cache isn't >>>> actually needed? >>> I'm arguing that you've yet to show your system actually using close to >>> all the RAM you say you need. >> >> It's not using it *for main RAM*, but including cache, it literally is >> using it all as the image shows, requiring the use of swap. >Nope. > >For whatever reason, Linux is prioritizing caching over keeping data in >RAM to avoid swapping out. "For whatever reason" that you are somehow qualified to second-guess, heh. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2025-04-05 16:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <vss2h4$32bre$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #194092 |
Alan wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: > On 2025-04-04 17:21, Joel wrote: >> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/bNZVr8U.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You've just shown that you DO NOT need 32GB of RAM... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (and that Linux isn't smart enough to count RAM in base-2). >>>>>> >>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/4jItMI0.png >>>>>> >>>>>> As you can see, today, I have puked out a little into swap. >>>>> >>>>> Dude: give it up. >>>>> >>>>> You've got 33.5 decimal gigabytes of RAM. >>>>> >>>>> 19.2GB is in use with the other 14.3GB used for cache. >>>>> >>>>> And 3.7MB... >>>>> >>>>> ...one HUNDREDTH of one percent of it... >>>>> >>>>> ...is swapped out... >>>>> >>>>> ...and you think that's a solid argument? >>>>> >>>>> Linux has 14.3GB used for caching and for some reason chooses to swap a >>>>> tiny, TINY fraction of data rather than use a little less for cache... >>>>> >>>>> ...and you think you're proving something good? >>>> >>>> So let me get this straight, your argument is that cache isn't >>>> actually needed? >>> I'm arguing that you've yet to show your system actually using close to >>> all the RAM you say you need. >> >> It's not using it *for main RAM*, but including cache, it literally is >> using it all as the image shows, requiring the use of swap. > Nope. > > For whatever reason, Linux is prioritizing caching over keeping data in > RAM to avoid swapping out. That priority can be changed in Linux by changing the "swappiness". Swappiness sets the relative weight of swapping out a page versus dropping a cache. If you set it to a low value, the kernel is much less likely to swap out an anonymous page instead of dropping a cached page. Yes, you will see a lower swap usage, but your disk IO won't actually improve because you have less RAM available for read and write caching. In other words, the Linux kernel virtual memory manager knows better than you. -- Our [softball] team usually puts the other woman at second base, where the maximum possible number of males can get there on short notice to help out in case of emergency. As far as I can tell, our second basewoman is a pretty good baseball player, better than I am, anyway, but there's no way to know for sure because if the ball gets anywhere near her, a male comes barging over from, say, right field, to deal with it. She's been on the team for three seasons now, but the males still don't trust her. They know, deep in their souls, that if she had to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she probably would elect to save the infant's life, without ever considering whether there were men on base. -- Dave Barry, "Sports is a Drag"
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