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| Started by | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2025-03-18 18:12 -0400 |
| Last post | 2025-03-26 11:09 +1300 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 231 — 20 participants |
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Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-18 18:12 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-20 09:14 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 12:23 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 13:44 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 13:43 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 19:50 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Mikey <Mikey.Smith@aol.invalid> - 2025-03-21 15:00 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-21 19:59 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 16:45 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 12:26 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 23:53 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 20:00 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-21 20:27 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-22 00:45 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 19:57 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 21:49 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-21 22:29 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 16:29 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 19:59 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 20:14 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 20:29 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 01:59 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-22 04:54 -0500
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 09:22 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-22 19:16 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 07:40 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-20 14:26 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 17:58 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-20 15:52 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 20:48 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 12:31 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-21 16:47 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 13:00 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 12:29 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-21 12:40 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 15:56 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-21 22:27 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 16:36 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 14:04 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 17:52 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-22 19:18 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 19:23 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 19:17 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 08:18 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-23 12:21 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:00 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 18:06 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:17 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 18:22 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:35 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 18:41 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:54 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:11 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-23 21:05 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:22 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 17:31 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-23 22:34 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 08:53 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 13:39 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 10:48 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 19:59 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 17:47 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 23:12 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:36 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:42 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 18:57 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 23:20 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:38 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:46 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-25 00:59 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 18:17 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-25 01:30 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:58 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:44 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 22:52 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:16 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:24 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:40 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:45 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:48 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:02 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 21:10 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:26 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-04-09 18:40 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-09 11:51 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-10 10:07 +1200
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-09 18:16 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-10 19:48 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:08 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 18:14 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 19:29 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:46 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:09 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-25 06:24 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 02:31 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-23 12:20 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:13 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-23 15:39 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 15:52 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:58 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 16:11 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 22:12 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-23 16:02 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 16:09 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 20:25 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 16:34 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:43 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-03-24 09:09 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-03-24 20:10 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 18:33 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:51 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:06 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 15:26 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:33 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:44 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:11 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:47 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:11 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 18:13 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:57 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:43 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 22:54 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:15 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:22 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:36 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:43 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:49 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:09 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 21:11 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:29 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Rudy Canoza <rc@j.kone.invalid> - 2025-03-25 02:32 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 02:41 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 18:27 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 16:55 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 20:08 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 17:10 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 20:21 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 23:11 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 02:50 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-05 16:06 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 16:17 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-04-05 20:42 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 07:42 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 08:07 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 15:44 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 12:46 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 15:59 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 13:11 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-07 08:57 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-05 15:49 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 16:16 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-06 01:26 +0000
Re: π³οΈβπApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπ³οΈβπ πππ»πΊπΉπ»ππ·πΊπJenπππ»πΊπΉπ»ππ·πΊπ Dershmendenderer ππ»πΊπΉπ»ππ·πΊπΆη¬πππ»πΊπΉπ»ππ·πΊπ <root@127.0.0.1> - 2025-04-06 03:18 +0000
Re: π³οΈβπApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπ³οΈβπ vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-06 03:35 +0000
Re: π³οΈβπApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπ³οΈβπ vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-06 04:31 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 19:17 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-23 03:15 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-23 18:01 +1300
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-23 18:08 +1300
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-23 05:37 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:45 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 23:33 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:46 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:13 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:47 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-25 00:52 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:59 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:48 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:43 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 22:28 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:44 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 08:43 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 08:48 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 08:12 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 04:20 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 18:48 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 14:54 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-25 17:24 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 20:33 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-25 18:03 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 21:19 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 07:40 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-26 08:36 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 20:15 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-27 10:05 +1300
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 17:43 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-26 19:05 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 19:17 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-27 02:25 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 19:49 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-27 03:30 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 11:57 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 20:15 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 16:18 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 07:45 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-27 08:41 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 12:20 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 00:44 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 21:20 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-27 18:26 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 21:53 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-27 22:42 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-28 01:45 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-28 07:50 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 02:08 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 22:16 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 12:06 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 18:11 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 00:43 +0000
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-25 20:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <90i6ujhgg8uqnc8qc36mk52m3oufen4188@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #193975 |
Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> wrote: >> >Linux is fun if you like to tinker with OSes. Windows is fine if you >> >need it for work. Macs are easy to use and fit right in with iPhones >> >and iPads. >> > >> >But in general, most people have no real use for "computers" these days. >> >A phone and a maybe tablet are really all most people need for personal, >> >every day use. >> > >> >So arguing about "how good (Linux/Mac/Windows) really is" is an argument >> >that is years out of date. >> > >> >"I promise you Linux is better than people think" does not matter. No >> >one today cares. I promise you that a Beta VCR was better than a VHS >> >VCR. >> >> If you don't want to learn anything, I get it. > >Actually, there is nothing else that I need to know. I have been >using/running/programming computers since before you were born. > >These days I just want them to work. I am no longer interested in >compiling the kernel to add a driver for a Microsoft Bus Mouse. > >Yes, I actually did that in 1988 or so. On Slackware Linux I think. >Or maybe it was Coherent Unix. > >It's all just a Bad Memory now. Ah, I understand. That's reasonable enough, but I find when computers "just work", it's expensive to purchase and resource-consuming to a negative degree, Linux is not just open-source but it's freedom from the corporate world as you compute. I wouldn't use M$ and Apple. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-26 01:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m4h5b6F4mfhU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #193975 |
On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 20:14:32 -0400, Johnny LaRue wrote: > Yes, I actually did that in 1988 or so. On Slackware Linux I think. > Or maybe it was Coherent Unix. <quibble>in 1988 it better have been some sort of Unix</quibble>
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-22 04:54 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pu1ttjpgg75kdtbid463q9km1579vbaehl@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #193800 |
Johnny LaRue wrote: >Except that most people don't even know what "Linux" or "MacOS" or >"Windows" are. Most people are not computer geeks and have no desire >to become one. > >So they run a Mac or a Dell or an HP. "OS" has no meaning to most >people. > >Linux is fun if you like to tinker with OSes. Windows is fine if you >need it for work. Macs are easy to use and fit right in with iPhones >and iPads. > >But in general, most people have no real use for "computers" these days. >A phone and a maybe tablet are really all most people need for personal, >every day use. > >So arguing about "how good (Linux/Mac/Windows) really is" is an argument >that is years out of date. > >"I promise you Linux is better than people think" does not matter. No >one today cares. I promise you that a Beta VCR was better than a VHS >VCR. > >No one cares today. I suppose that you are mostly correct, although it's difficult for me to imagine not having and using a computer at home. Doing everything on a tiny phone? Ish!
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-22 09:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vrlvfq$3l4ee$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #193799 |
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: > Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote: >> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> A Mac mini would be $1400. What I could build for that is >>>>>>> unbelievable. Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK. I >>>>>>> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first. >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you do that you would need a Mac Mini configured to cost that much? >>>>> >>>>> I use the capacity of my CPU and RAM under Linux, it would only be >>>>> more burdened under macOS with needing to run WinARM in a VM, rather >>>>> than having native Wine with an x86-64 PC with Linux. >>>> >>>> Then don't buy hardware (you can't afford?) that isn't suitable for your >>>> workload. >>> >>> The point is that I should be able to afford a Mac mini that would >>> work for me, >> >> Why? > > > If Apple wasn't a gimmick. It isn't. > >>> but they price the upgrades so high that it just tells us >>> they're a high-end brand name, not actually better than any other OS. >> >> That's not everyone's experience, but yeah Apple doesn't do cheap. > > > Your experience with their OS may be fabulous, Not just the OS. The hardware is phenomenal. > but I promise you Linux > is better than people think. True. Mainly because people either don't know about linux or think it is a geek-fest. You're starting from a very low bar. I used linux for 10-15 years at work and home, and macos is better in almost every way. Mostly because it is unix. >>>> Note that WINE works on Arm Macs. No need for VMs if the you the software >>>> works with WINE. >>> >>> I retract my previous comment, the support for x86 Windows raw code by >>> Rosetta 2 is something I would theoretically value, >> >> Not quite right. Rosetta 2 enables intel macos binaries to run on arm macos >> through a one-time translation. >> >> Not sure whether wine needs rosetta to work on arm macs. > > > It said it does support running code under Wine through Rosetta 2. ok
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-22 19:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m48gkuFme0qU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #193810 |
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 09:22:02 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > I used linux for 10-15 years at work and home, and macos is better in > almost every way. Mostly because it is unix. Having used AIX I'm not sure being a certified real Unix OS is necessarily a plus point.
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-26 07:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vs0b19$19k5o$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #193816 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 09:22:02 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > >> I used linux for 10-15 years at work and home, and macos is better in >> almost every way. Mostly because it is unix. > > Having used AIX I'm not sure being a certified real Unix OS is necessarily > a plus point. In practice, it is.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-20 14:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vri16r$u8t$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #193768 |
On 2025-03-20 10:43, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > >>> A Mac mini would be $1400. What I could build for that is >>> unbelievable. Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK. I >>> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first. >> >> What do you do that you would need a Mac Mini configured to cost that much? > > > I use the capacity of my CPU and RAM under Linux, it would only be > more burdened under macOS with needing to run WinARM in a VM, rather > than having native Wine with an x86-64 PC with Linux. > Sorry, but that is completely dodging the question.
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| Date | 2025-03-20 17:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <dj3ptj5gfkntk0pvn5k2alc6476et18i6i@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #193772 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>> A Mac mini would be $1400. What I could build for that is >>>> unbelievable. Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK. I >>>> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first. >>> >>> What do you do that you would need a Mac Mini configured to cost that much? >> >> I use the capacity of my CPU and RAM under Linux, it would only be >> more burdened under macOS with needing to run WinARM in a VM, rather >> than having native Wine with an x86-64 PC with Linux. > >Sorry, but that is completely dodging the question. OK, let me explain, the device would need to have Windows 11 running in a VM, and mind you that isn't a complaint because remaining with x86 just for Wine wouldn't make sense, Apple was smart to dump IntelAMD. It's convenient that I can operate this app under Wine, with Linux and x86 hardware, but in the future I would love to see Linux for ARM on a new device. To address your question, directly, I upped the specs to give me 32 GB RAM and such. That which would give me what's needed to make macOS shine as a driver OS. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-20 15:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vri679$u8t$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #193773 |
On 2025-03-20 14:58, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > >>>>> A Mac mini would be $1400. What I could build for that is >>>>> unbelievable. Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK. I >>>>> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first. >>>> >>>> What do you do that you would need a Mac Mini configured to cost that much? >>> >>> I use the capacity of my CPU and RAM under Linux, it would only be >>> more burdened under macOS with needing to run WinARM in a VM, rather >>> than having native Wine with an x86-64 PC with Linux. >> >> Sorry, but that is completely dodging the question. > > > OK, let me explain, the device would need to have Windows 11 running > in a VM, and mind you that isn't a complaint because remaining with > x86 just for Wine wouldn't make sense, Apple was smart to dump > IntelAMD. It's convenient that I can operate this app under Wine, > with Linux and x86 hardware, but in the future I would love to see > Linux for ARM on a new device. As was already explained to you, that's false. WiNE is available to run ARM Windows apps on the Mac. > > To address your question, directly, I upped the specs to give me 32 GB > RAM and such. That which would give me what's needed to make macOS > shine as a driver OS. But since that proceeded from a false assumption...
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-20 20:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fpdptjhtcldgm9hue2vsii2ls38ls7n314@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #193774 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>> A Mac mini would be $1400. What I could build for that is >>>>>> unbelievable. Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK. I >>>>>> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first. >>>>> >>>>> What do you do that you would need a Mac Mini configured to cost that much? >>>> >>>> I use the capacity of my CPU and RAM under Linux, it would only be >>>> more burdened under macOS with needing to run WinARM in a VM, rather >>>> than having native Wine with an x86-64 PC with Linux. >>> >>> Sorry, but that is completely dodging the question. >> >> OK, let me explain, the device would need to have Windows 11 running >> in a VM, and mind you that isn't a complaint because remaining with >> x86 just for Wine wouldn't make sense, Apple was smart to dump >> IntelAMD. It's convenient that I can operate this app under Wine, >> with Linux and x86 hardware, but in the future I would love to see >> Linux for ARM on a new device. > >As was already explained to you, that's false. > >WiNE is available to run ARM Windows apps on the Mac. Doesn't help me, I need the x86 emulation of Win11ARM under Parallels. >> To address your question, directly, I upped the specs to give me 32 GB >> RAM and such. That which would give me what's needed to make macOS >> shine as a driver OS. >But since that proceeded from a false assumption... It did not. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-21 12:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <gv4rtj1nms3s6f434cbok8561erd5415jc@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #193775 |
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: >Doesn't help me, I need the x86 emulation of Win11ARM under Parallels. >[as opposed to using Wine] I was being very careless, here, not having merely seen that Apple's emulation indeed works with Wine. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2025-03-21 16:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m45jg6F8q85U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #193787 |
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 12:31:51 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in <gv4rtj1nms3s6f434cbok8561erd5415jc@4ax.com>: > Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: > >>Doesn't help me, I need the x86 emulation of Win11ARM under Parallels. >>[as opposed to using Wine] > > > I was being very careless, here, not having merely seen that Apple's > emulation indeed works with Wine. You'd still be stuck with the Mac interface, with the bass-ackwards buttons, etc. Sure, it's UNIX, but without the flexibility of other Unices. Setting fu2 to cola, because this has nothing to do with iphones. -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.14.0-rc7 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G "Common sense isn't..."
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-21 13:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <il6rtj1s3mper76omdarc2e66he386evmp@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #193788 |
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: >On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 12:31:51 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in ><gv4rtj1nms3s6f434cbok8561erd5415jc@4ax.com>: >> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>Doesn't help me, I need the x86 emulation of Win11ARM under Parallels. >>>[as opposed to using Wine] >> >> I was being very careless, here, not having merely seen that Apple's >> emulation indeed works with Wine. > >You'd still be stuck with the Mac interface, with the bass-ackwards >buttons, etc. > >Sure, it's UNIX, but without the flexibility of other Unices. > >Setting fu2 to cola, because this has nothing to do with iphones. I was trolling Apple users where they're found. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-21 12:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <gq4rtj5go10o7t71f8jguh066iene2n5h8@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #193774 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>> A Mac mini would be $1400. What I could build for that is >>>>>> unbelievable. Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK. I >>>>>> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first. >>>>> >>>>> What do you do that you would need a Mac Mini configured to cost that much? >>>> >>>> I use the capacity of my CPU and RAM under Linux, it would only be >>>> more burdened under macOS with needing to run WinARM in a VM, rather >>>> than having native Wine with an x86-64 PC with Linux. >>> >>> Sorry, but that is completely dodging the question. >> >> OK, let me explain, the device would need to have Windows 11 running >> in a VM, and mind you that isn't a complaint because remaining with >> x86 just for Wine wouldn't make sense, Apple was smart to dump >> IntelAMD. It's convenient that I can operate this app under Wine, >> with Linux and x86 hardware, but in the future I would love to see >> Linux for ARM on a new device. > >As was already explained to you, that's false. > >WiNE is available to run ARM Windows apps on the Mac. > >> To address your question, directly, I upped the specs to give me 32 GB >> RAM and such. That which would give me what's needed to make macOS >> shine as a driver OS. >But since that proceeded from a false assumption... I would as it turns out be fine using Wine under macOS, you were right about that part of it, but it doesn't change the desired specs of my theoretical Mac mini, they just go from "pretty good" to "really good". -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-21 12:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vrkfbr$27s7d$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #193786 |
On 2025-03-21 09:29, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> A Mac mini would be $1400. What I could build for that is >>>>>>> unbelievable. Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK. I >>>>>>> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first. >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you do that you would need a Mac Mini configured to cost that much? >>>>> >>>>> I use the capacity of my CPU and RAM under Linux, it would only be >>>>> more burdened under macOS with needing to run WinARM in a VM, rather >>>>> than having native Wine with an x86-64 PC with Linux. >>>> >>>> Sorry, but that is completely dodging the question. >>> >>> OK, let me explain, the device would need to have Windows 11 running >>> in a VM, and mind you that isn't a complaint because remaining with >>> x86 just for Wine wouldn't make sense, Apple was smart to dump >>> IntelAMD. It's convenient that I can operate this app under Wine, >>> with Linux and x86 hardware, but in the future I would love to see >>> Linux for ARM on a new device. >> >> As was already explained to you, that's false. >> >> WiNE is available to run ARM Windows apps on the Mac. >> >>> To address your question, directly, I upped the specs to give me 32 GB >>> RAM and such. That which would give me what's needed to make macOS >>> shine as a driver OS. >> But since that proceeded from a false assumption... > > > I would as it turns out be fine using Wine under macOS, you were right > about that part of it, but it doesn't change the desired specs of my > theoretical Mac mini, they just go from "pretty good" to "really > good". And I ask again: What actual task makes you need such an extreme machine?
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-21 15:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <83hrtjhu6m99m4sr6p36m7qec5t0idldjj@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #193791 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >> I would as it turns out be fine using Wine under macOS, you were right >> about that part of it, but it doesn't change the desired specs of my >> theoretical Mac mini, they just go from "pretty good" to "really >> good". >And I ask again: > >What actual task makes you need such an extreme machine? It would match what I have with Linux. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-21 22:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vrlhod$38sdl$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #193792 |
On 2025-03-21 12:56, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > >>> I would as it turns out be fine using Wine under macOS, you were right >>> about that part of it, but it doesn't change the desired specs of my >>> theoretical Mac mini, they just go from "pretty good" to "really >>> good". >> And I ask again: >> >> What actual task makes you need such an extreme machine? > > > It would match what I have with Linux. What actual tasks do you use the computer to complete?
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-22 16:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1q7utjll1cabq3b1pim0522uk6c97e3emm@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #193806 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>> I would as it turns out be fine using Wine under macOS, you were right >>>> about that part of it, but it doesn't change the desired specs of my >>>> theoretical Mac mini, they just go from "pretty good" to "really >>>> good". >>> And I ask again: >>> >>> What actual task makes you need such an extreme machine? >> >> It would match what I have with Linux. >What actual tasks do you use the computer to complete? Keeping everything I run loaded at once. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-22 14:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vrn8ka$or5h$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #193818 |
On 2025-03-22 13:36, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > >>>>> I would as it turns out be fine using Wine under macOS, you were right >>>>> about that part of it, but it doesn't change the desired specs of my >>>>> theoretical Mac mini, they just go from "pretty good" to "really >>>>> good". >>>> And I ask again: >>>> >>>> What actual task makes you need such an extreme machine? >>> >>> It would match what I have with Linux. >> What actual tasks do you use the computer to complete? > > > Keeping everything I run loaded at once. > What do you run, and what resources does each use?
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-22 17:52 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <hqbutjh5ct4kjj078ur38vnr772kp76qei@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #193819 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>> [A souped up Mac mini] would match what I have with Linux [in support of needed apps and use]. >>> What actual tasks do you use the computer to complete? >> >> Keeping everything I run loaded at once. > >What do you run, and what resources does each use? Take a look at my Cinnamon taskbar: https://i.imgur.com/yPGDm6a.png -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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