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| Started by | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2024-12-10 11:01 -0500 |
| Last post | 2024-12-10 12:09 -0600 |
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Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-10 11:01 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-10 12:31 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-10 12:46 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-10 10:15 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-10 15:42 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-10 16:00 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-10 13:04 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-10 16:23 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-10 13:28 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-10 17:31 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-10 14:46 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-10 18:00 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-10 15:09 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-10 20:02 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-11 14:07 -0600
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-11 13:58 -0600
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-11 13:56 -0600
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-10 19:55 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-11 13:54 -0600
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-11 13:54 -0600
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-10 10:24 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-10 13:40 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-10 10:44 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-10 13:57 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-10 11:21 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-10 14:27 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-10 12:05 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-10 15:15 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-10 12:22 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-10 15:53 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-10 13:02 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-10 16:21 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-10 13:26 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-10 17:24 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-10 14:55 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-10 18:03 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-10 15:07 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 10:30 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 09:19 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 12:29 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 10:19 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-11 18:27 +0000
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 10:38 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 13:34 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 10:44 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 13:56 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 11:07 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 14:19 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 11:22 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 14:38 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-11 15:42 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 13:33 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 18:03 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 15:22 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 18:34 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 15:44 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 19:13 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 16:20 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 19:31 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 16:38 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 19:57 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 17:00 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 20:21 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 17:23 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 20:39 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 17:45 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 21:02 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 18:08 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 21:18 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 18:57 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 22:48 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 19:51 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 21:49 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 18:58 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 22:37 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 19:43 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 22:49 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 19:53 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-12 12:51 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-12 10:44 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-12 14:22 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-12 11:33 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-12 14:49 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-12 12:10 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-12 15:20 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-12 12:27 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-12 15:38 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 13:26 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 17:24 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 15:18 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 18:30 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 15:42 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 18:47 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 15:50 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-11 13:52 -0600
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 14:40 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-02 12:58 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 17:05 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-02 16:43 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 19:51 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-02 17:54 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 21:23 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-02 18:35 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 21:40 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-02 20:13 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 15:05 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 14:55 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 18:45 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 16:19 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 19:30 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 17:11 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 20:25 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 17:41 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 21:01 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 19:39 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. paranoia <mixmaster@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2025-01-03 22:23 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 23:52 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 20:36 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-05 18:19 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 14:48 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-05 13:00 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 16:43 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-05 18:18 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 21:27 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. AlphaHeater <AlphaHeater21@6959.concepte.store> - 2025-01-06 02:52 +0000
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-05 19:03 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-05 19:47 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel Crump <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 22:58 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-05 23:33 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 06:31 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-06 09:42 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 13:03 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-06 10:19 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 13:23 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-06 10:53 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 14:17 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-06 11:23 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 14:36 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-06 15:49 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 19:01 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-06 16:20 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 19:35 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-06 16:41 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 19:54 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-06 16:56 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 20:09 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-06 17:12 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 20:23 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-06 17:27 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 20:37 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-06 17:49 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 20:55 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-06 18:05 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 21:11 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-06 18:58 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 22:08 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-06 20:42 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. ron <ronbarnes@linuxmail.org> - 2025-01-12 22:59 -0800
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-06 13:56 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel Crump <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 14:25 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-06 13:55 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-06 13:53 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-06 08:21 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-03 09:49 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-03 09:46 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-03 09:45 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2025-01-03 09:42 -0500
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-11 13:47 -0600
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-11 13:44 -0600
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-11 13:44 -0600
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-11 13:42 -0600
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-11 13:41 -0600
Re: Racist Apple is targeting blacks only and abusing white women to do it. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 14:43 -0500
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-02 17:54 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vl7g0i$3jkri$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #192643 |
On 2025-01-02 16:51, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >> On 2025-01-02 14:05, Joel wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I don't think Windows NT 3.x began from scratch, I *know* it did. You >>>>> are an idiot. >>>> >>>> Reusing concepts from VMS means it wasn't really written "from scratch". >>> >>> "Concepts" != "code", *doofus*. >> >> So if I write a novel about a Canadian secret agent with a "sanction to >> kill"... >> >> ...Ian Fleming's estate won't come around? > > > Yeah. It's your new language, your new creation. Just as > Windows NT's core components are, they are obviously going to emulate > what another comparable OS has done, this is of course why it's so > easy to have literal interoperability with the OSes, I'm using > Forte Agent under Linux without a VM of Windows, not only VMS but Unix > isn't so different from NT. This is why I used to be a Winblows > fanboy, myself, when I came to COLA. I liked having Windows 10 and 11 > on my current machine, at first, but time marches on, and Linux > rescues one from bloat damnation. They completely copied VMS, dude! That's a fact. Unix is completely different from both VMS and Windows NT. And interoperability was in no way a part of why they did it.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-02 21:23 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <kfienjl9pmhdbcfobrp6kcdt116hudc4sn@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #192644 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>> I don't think Windows NT 3.x began from scratch, I *know* it did. You >>>>>> are an idiot. >>>>> >>>>> Reusing concepts from VMS means it wasn't really written "from scratch". >>>> >>>> "Concepts" != "code", *doofus*. >>> >>> So if I write a novel about a Canadian secret agent with a "sanction to >>> kill"... >>> >>> ...Ian Fleming's estate won't come around? >> >> Yeah. It's your new language, your new creation. Just as >> Windows NT's core components are, they are obviously going to emulate >> what another comparable OS has done, this is of course why it's so >> easy to have literal interoperability with the OSes, I'm using >> Forte Agent under Linux without a VM of Windows, not only VMS but Unix >> isn't so different from NT. This is why I used to be a Winblows >> fanboy, myself, when I came to COLA. I liked having Windows 10 and 11 >> on my current machine, at first, but time marches on, and Linux >> rescues one from bloat damnation. >They completely copied VMS, dude! > >That's a fact. Unix is completely different from both VMS and Windows NT. > >And interoperability was in no way a part of why they did it. None of that contradicts my point, doofus. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-02 18:35 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vl7ied$3jq2v$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #192645 |
On 2025-01-02 18:23, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> I don't think Windows NT 3.x began from scratch, I *know* it did. You >>>>>>> are an idiot. >>>>>> >>>>>> Reusing concepts from VMS means it wasn't really written "from scratch". >>>>> >>>>> "Concepts" != "code", *doofus*. >>>> >>>> So if I write a novel about a Canadian secret agent with a "sanction to >>>> kill"... >>>> >>>> ...Ian Fleming's estate won't come around? >>> >>> Yeah. It's your new language, your new creation. Just as >>> Windows NT's core components are, they are obviously going to emulate >>> what another comparable OS has done, this is of course why it's so >>> easy to have literal interoperability with the OSes, I'm using >>> Forte Agent under Linux without a VM of Windows, not only VMS but Unix >>> isn't so different from NT. This is why I used to be a Winblows >>> fanboy, myself, when I came to COLA. I liked having Windows 10 and 11 >>> on my current machine, at first, but time marches on, and Linux >>> rescues one from bloat damnation. >> They completely copied VMS, dude! >> >> That's a fact. Unix is completely different from both VMS and Windows NT. >> >> And interoperability was in no way a part of why they did it. > > > None of that contradicts my point, doofus. > They copied VMS. They hired the guy who wrote VMS... ...he he just copied what he'd previously done, wholesale. That is not building a program "from scratch".
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-02 21:40 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <0fjenj9cphr77dou1dlr4bgb4brbk6emfr@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #192646 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>> They completely copied VMS [to generate Windows NT in the 1990s], dude! >>> >>> That's a fact. Unix is completely different from both VMS and Windows NT. >>> >>> And interoperability was in no way a part of why they did it. >> >> None of that contradicts my point, doofus. > >They copied VMS. > >They hired the guy who wrote VMS... > >...he he just copied what he'd previously done, wholesale. > >That is not building a program "from scratch". "Copied what [was] previously done, wholesale" is nonsense. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-02 20:13 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vl7o5k$3ojj9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #192647 |
On 2025-01-02 18:40, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > >>>> They completely copied VMS [to generate Windows NT in the 1990s], dude! >>>> >>>> That's a fact. Unix is completely different from both VMS and Windows NT. >>>> >>>> And interoperability was in no way a part of why they did it. >>> >>> None of that contradicts my point, doofus. >> >> They copied VMS. >> >> They hired the guy who wrote VMS... >> >> ...he he just copied what he'd previously done, wholesale. >> >> That is not building a program "from scratch". > > > "Copied what [was] previously done, wholesale" is nonsense. > It is not. As anyone who had actually looked at precisely how similar the internals of Windows NT are to VMS. 'The similarities between VMS and NT are striking. The VMS Interrupt Priority Level became the Interrupt Request Level in NT, the Asynchronous System Trap became the Asynchronous Procedure Call, a Fork Procedure became the Deferred Procedure Call, while some other terminology was copied verbatim.' <https://www.abortretry.fail/p/the-history-of-windows-nt-31> 'The similarities to VMS almost created a problem for Microsoft. Shortly following the release of Windows NT 3.1, Digital Equipment Corporation threatened litigation against Microsoft over similarities between VMS & MICA and NT. The matter was settled out of court for something around $50 million (around $106 million in 2023)'
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 15:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <kiggnjl355u17kvp7vkprahcct37i4safb@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #192648 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>> They completely copied VMS [to generate Windows NT in the 1990s], dude! >>>>> >>>>> That's a fact. Unix is completely different from both VMS and Windows NT. >>>>> >>>>> And interoperability was in no way a part of why they did it. >>>> >>>> None of that contradicts my point, doofus. >>> >>> They copied VMS. >>> >>> They hired the guy who wrote VMS... >>> >>> ...he he just copied what he'd previously done, wholesale. >>> >>> That is not building a program "from scratch". >> >> "Copied what [was] previously done, wholesale" is nonsense. > >It is not. > >As anyone who had actually looked at precisely how similar the internals >of Windows NT are to VMS. > >'The similarities between VMS and NT are striking. The VMS Interrupt >Priority Level became the Interrupt Request Level in NT, the >Asynchronous System Trap became the Asynchronous Procedure Call, a Fork >Procedure became the Deferred Procedure Call, while some other >terminology was copied verbatim.' > ><https://www.abortretry.fail/p/the-history-of-windows-nt-31> > >'The similarities to VMS almost created a problem for Microsoft. Shortly >following the release of Windows NT 3.1, Digital Equipment Corporation >threatened litigation against Microsoft over similarities between VMS & >MICA and NT. The matter was settled out of court for something around >$50 million (around $106 million in 2023)' This is the thing, though - if they had actually violated copyright as such, it would've been a lot more than 50 million. I wouldn't have even settled it, if I were Gates. They didn't copy anything, they simply created something that had some association with an existing, competitor's product. Is it similar, we could agree it is, but the same thing, no. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 14:55 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vl9ptp$3440$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #192678 |
On 2025-01-03 12:05, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > >>>>>> They completely copied VMS [to generate Windows NT in the 1990s], dude! >>>>>> >>>>>> That's a fact. Unix is completely different from both VMS and Windows NT. >>>>>> >>>>>> And interoperability was in no way a part of why they did it. >>>>> >>>>> None of that contradicts my point, doofus. >>>> >>>> They copied VMS. >>>> >>>> They hired the guy who wrote VMS... >>>> >>>> ...he he just copied what he'd previously done, wholesale. >>>> >>>> That is not building a program "from scratch". >>> >>> "Copied what [was] previously done, wholesale" is nonsense. >> >> It is not. >> >> As anyone who had actually looked at precisely how similar the internals >> of Windows NT are to VMS. >> >> 'The similarities between VMS and NT are striking. The VMS Interrupt >> Priority Level became the Interrupt Request Level in NT, the >> Asynchronous System Trap became the Asynchronous Procedure Call, a Fork >> Procedure became the Deferred Procedure Call, while some other >> terminology was copied verbatim.' >> >> <https://www.abortretry.fail/p/the-history-of-windows-nt-31> >> >> 'The similarities to VMS almost created a problem for Microsoft. Shortly >> following the release of Windows NT 3.1, Digital Equipment Corporation >> threatened litigation against Microsoft over similarities between VMS & >> MICA and NT. The matter was settled out of court for something around >> $50 million (around $106 million in 2023)' > > > This is the thing, though - if they had actually violated copyright as > such, it would've been a lot more than 50 million. I wouldn't have > even settled it, if I were Gates. They didn't copy anything, they > simply created something that had some association with an existing, > competitor's product. Is it similar, we could agree it is, but the > same thing, no. Sorry, but now you're an expert on IP law? Your argument was that it was built "from scratch". It clearly wasn't.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 18:45 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <cdtgnj9rlm3rjseptas8rin7vl544ocdt5@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #192693 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>>> They completely copied VMS [to generate Windows NT in the 1990s], dude! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's a fact. Unix is completely different from both VMS and Windows NT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And interoperability was in no way a part of why they did it. >>>>>> >>>>>> None of that contradicts my point, doofus. >>>>> >>>>> They copied VMS. >>>>> >>>>> They hired the guy who wrote VMS... >>>>> >>>>> ...he he just copied what he'd previously done, wholesale. >>>>> >>>>> That is not building a program "from scratch". >>>> >>>> "Copied what [was] previously done, wholesale" is nonsense. >>> >>> It is not. >>> >>> As anyone who had actually looked at precisely how similar the internals >>> of Windows NT are to VMS. >>> >>> 'The similarities between VMS and NT are striking. The VMS Interrupt >>> Priority Level became the Interrupt Request Level in NT, the >>> Asynchronous System Trap became the Asynchronous Procedure Call, a Fork >>> Procedure became the Deferred Procedure Call, while some other >>> terminology was copied verbatim.' >>> >>> <https://www.abortretry.fail/p/the-history-of-windows-nt-31> >>> >>> 'The similarities to VMS almost created a problem for Microsoft. Shortly >>> following the release of Windows NT 3.1, Digital Equipment Corporation >>> threatened litigation against Microsoft over similarities between VMS & >>> MICA and NT. The matter was settled out of court for something around >>> $50 million (around $106 million in 2023)' >> >> This is the thing, though - if they had actually violated copyright as >> such, it would've been a lot more than 50 million. I wouldn't have >> even settled it, if I were Gates. They didn't copy anything, they >> simply created something that had some association with an existing, >> competitor's product. Is it similar, we could agree it is, but the >> same thing, no. >Sorry, but now you're an expert on IP law? Yeah, I am, because I'm the one who would settle such a matter, going forward, and hiring Cutler to do something like he'd done before isn't a copyright violation. >Your argument was that it was built "from scratch". > >It clearly wasn't. So it used *actual code* from VMS? Because that's the point, that it may have emulated it in a variety of ways doesn't make it a copy. This gets into the "I invented the GUI" argument, where Winblows stole Apple's design that they'd rightfully obtained, or some idiocy, no, there's a certain logic to the GUI interface that any OS would have to put together, likewise the guts of an OS are likely to emulate such of another. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 16:19 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vl9uq5$4rkr$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #192695 |
On 2025-01-03 15:45, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> They completely copied VMS [to generate Windows NT in the 1990s], dude! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's a fact. Unix is completely different from both VMS and Windows NT. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And interoperability was in no way a part of why they did it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> None of that contradicts my point, doofus. >>>>>> >>>>>> They copied VMS. >>>>>> >>>>>> They hired the guy who wrote VMS... >>>>>> >>>>>> ...he he just copied what he'd previously done, wholesale. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is not building a program "from scratch". >>>>> >>>>> "Copied what [was] previously done, wholesale" is nonsense. >>>> >>>> It is not. >>>> >>>> As anyone who had actually looked at precisely how similar the internals >>>> of Windows NT are to VMS. >>>> >>>> 'The similarities between VMS and NT are striking. The VMS Interrupt >>>> Priority Level became the Interrupt Request Level in NT, the >>>> Asynchronous System Trap became the Asynchronous Procedure Call, a Fork >>>> Procedure became the Deferred Procedure Call, while some other >>>> terminology was copied verbatim.' >>>> >>>> <https://www.abortretry.fail/p/the-history-of-windows-nt-31> >>>> >>>> 'The similarities to VMS almost created a problem for Microsoft. Shortly >>>> following the release of Windows NT 3.1, Digital Equipment Corporation >>>> threatened litigation against Microsoft over similarities between VMS & >>>> MICA and NT. The matter was settled out of court for something around >>>> $50 million (around $106 million in 2023)' >>> >>> This is the thing, though - if they had actually violated copyright as >>> such, it would've been a lot more than 50 million. I wouldn't have >>> even settled it, if I were Gates. They didn't copy anything, they >>> simply created something that had some association with an existing, >>> competitor's product. Is it similar, we could agree it is, but the >>> same thing, no. >> Sorry, but now you're an expert on IP law? > > > Yeah, I am, because I'm the one who would settle such a matter, going > forward, and hiring Cutler to do something like he'd done before isn't > a copyright violation. > > >> Your argument was that it was built "from scratch". >> >> It clearly wasn't. > > > So it used *actual code* from VMS? Because that's the point, that it > may have emulated it in a variety of ways doesn't make it a copy. This > gets into the "I invented the GUI" argument, where Winblows stole > Apple's design that they'd rightfully obtained, or some idiocy, no, > there's a certain logic to the GUI interface that any OS would have to > put together, likewise the guts of an OS are likely to emulate such of > another. Yes: Doing things exactly like VMW did them means it wasn't coded "FROM SCRATCH". Words have meanings.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 19:30 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <c70hnjp5757gdq92nn9r9naqbcqo35b72f@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #192697 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>> Your argument was that it [Windows NT 3.x] was built "from scratch". >>> >>> It clearly wasn't. >> >> So it used *actual code* from VMS? Because that's the point, that it >> may have emulated it in a variety of ways doesn't make it a copy. This >> gets into the "I invented the GUI" argument, where Winblows stole >> Apple's design that they'd rightfully obtained, or some idiocy, no, >> there's a certain logic to the GUI interface that any OS would have to >> put together, likewise the guts of an OS are likely to emulate such of >> another. >Yes: > >Doing things exactly like VMW did them means it wasn't coded "FROM SCRATCH". > >Words have meanings. It didn't use the same code, it is from scratch. You are wrong. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 17:11 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vla1sg$5bl6$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #192699 |
On 2025-01-03 16:30, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > >>>> Your argument was that it [Windows NT 3.x] was built "from scratch". >>>> >>>> It clearly wasn't. >>> >>> So it used *actual code* from VMS? Because that's the point, that it >>> may have emulated it in a variety of ways doesn't make it a copy. This >>> gets into the "I invented the GUI" argument, where Winblows stole >>> Apple's design that they'd rightfully obtained, or some idiocy, no, >>> there's a certain logic to the GUI interface that any OS would have to >>> put together, likewise the guts of an OS are likely to emulate such of >>> another. >> Yes: >> >> Doing things exactly like VMW did them means it wasn't coded "FROM SCRATCH". >> >> Words have meanings. > > > It didn't use the same code, it is from scratch. You are wrong. > It's not. There's more to an OS than just DOING the code. There is coming up with all the CONCEPTS of its operation. And that was not done "from scratch".
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 20:25 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nf3hnjd6s0tcjru8n8lq8dgcavu7u0bs9f@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #192701 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>> Your argument was that it [Windows NT 3.x] was built "from scratch". >>>>> >>>>> It clearly wasn't. >>>> >>>> So it used *actual code* from VMS? Because that's the point, that it >>>> may have emulated it in a variety of ways doesn't make it a copy. This >>>> gets into the "I invented the GUI" argument, where Winblows stole >>>> Apple's design that they'd rightfully obtained, or some idiocy, no, >>>> there's a certain logic to the GUI interface that any OS would have to >>>> put together, likewise the guts of an OS are likely to emulate such of >>>> another. >>> Yes: >>> >>> Doing things exactly like VMW did them means it wasn't coded "FROM SCRATCH". >>> >>> Words have meanings. >> >> It didn't use the same code, it is from scratch. You are wrong. > >It's not. > >There's more to an OS than just DOING the code. > >There is coming up with all the CONCEPTS of its operation. > >And that was not done "from scratch". OK, nerd ... -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 17:41 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vla3ki$5j37$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #192703 |
On 2025-01-03 17:25, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > >>>>>> Your argument was that it [Windows NT 3.x] was built "from scratch". >>>>>> >>>>>> It clearly wasn't. >>>>> >>>>> So it used *actual code* from VMS? Because that's the point, that it >>>>> may have emulated it in a variety of ways doesn't make it a copy. This >>>>> gets into the "I invented the GUI" argument, where Winblows stole >>>>> Apple's design that they'd rightfully obtained, or some idiocy, no, >>>>> there's a certain logic to the GUI interface that any OS would have to >>>>> put together, likewise the guts of an OS are likely to emulate such of >>>>> another. >>>> Yes: >>>> >>>> Doing things exactly like VMW did them means it wasn't coded "FROM SCRATCH". >>>> >>>> Words have meanings. >>> >>> It didn't use the same code, it is from scratch. You are wrong. >> >> It's not. >> >> There's more to an OS than just DOING the code. >> >> There is coming up with all the CONCEPTS of its operation. >> >> And that was not done "from scratch". > > > OK, nerd ... > Seriously, you think that the actual coding is all that you need to make an operating system happen. You just set down, open up a coding editor and start writing?
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 21:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <hg5hnj58p1fioj38gacnlvbmpi0ap43idr@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #192705 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>> [Windows NT 3.x] didn't use the same code [as its designer D. Cutler had used in VMS], it is from scratch. You are wrong. >>> >>> It's not. >>> >>> There's more to an OS than just DOING the code. >>> >>> There is coming up with all the CONCEPTS of its operation. >>> >>> And that was not done "from scratch". >> >> OK, nerd ... > >Seriously, you think that the actual coding is all that you need to make >an operating system happen. > >You just set down, open up a coding editor and start writing? No, I don't. I think there'd be flowcharts, yada yada, but nevertheless, Windows did not come about by copying anything else, doing the same thing as, sure, not copying. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 19:39 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vlaaig$acce$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #192707 |
On 2025-01-03 18:01, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > >>>>> [Windows NT 3.x] didn't use the same code [as its designer D. Cutler had used in VMS], it is from scratch. You are wrong. >>>> >>>> It's not. >>>> >>>> There's more to an OS than just DOING the code. >>>> >>>> There is coming up with all the CONCEPTS of its operation. >>>> >>>> And that was not done "from scratch". >>> >>> OK, nerd ... >> >> Seriously, you think that the actual coding is all that you need to make >> an operating system happen. >> >> You just set down, open up a coding editor and start writing? > > > No, I don't. I think there'd be flowcharts, yada yada, but > nevertheless, Windows did not come about by copying anything else, > doing the same thing as, sure, not copying. Copying. It's been documented. Windows copied much of its structure from VMS.
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| Date | 2025-01-03 22:23 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vlak55$1ug$1@toxic.dizum.net> |
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On 1/3/2025 7:39 PM, Alan wrote: > On 2025-01-03 18:01, Joel wrote: >> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >> >>>>>> [Windows NT 3.x] didn't use the same code [as its designer D. >>>>>> Cutler had used in VMS], it is from scratch. You are wrong. >>>>> >>>>> It's not. >>>>> >>>>> There's more to an OS than just DOING the code. >>>>> >>>>> There is coming up with all the CONCEPTS of its operation. >>>>> >>>>> And that was not done "from scratch". >>>> >>>> OK, nerd ... >>> >>> Seriously, you think that the actual coding is all that you need to make >>> an operating system happen. >>> >>> You just set down, open up a coding editor and start writing? >> >> >> No, I don't. I think there'd be flowcharts, yada yada, but >> nevertheless, Windows did not come about by copying anything else, >> doing the same thing as, sure, not copying. > Copying. > > It's been documented. > > Windows copied much of its structure from VMS. Windows didn't "copy" anything of the sort. Cutler used ~some~ similar CLI/CMD features and the hierarchical file systems. Otherwise there is little in common between ntoskrnl and the OpenVMS kernel. I have Windows 2000RC2 AXP running on an AlphaServer DS10 that also boots Tru64 5.1B and OpenVMS 8.3. You have to change the BIOS from SRM to AlphaBIOS to run Windows.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 23:52 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vlapcd$cdks$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #192710 |
On 2025-01-03 22:23, paranoia wrote: > On 1/3/2025 7:39 PM, Alan wrote: >> On 2025-01-03 18:01, Joel wrote: >>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> [Windows NT 3.x] didn't use the same code [as its designer D. >>>>>>> Cutler had used in VMS], it is from scratch. You are wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's not. >>>>>> >>>>>> There's more to an OS than just DOING the code. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is coming up with all the CONCEPTS of its operation. >>>>>> >>>>>> And that was not done "from scratch". >>>>> >>>>> OK, nerd ... >>>> >>>> Seriously, you think that the actual coding is all that you need to >>>> make >>>> an operating system happen. >>>> >>>> You just set down, open up a coding editor and start writing? >>> >>> >>> No, I don't. I think there'd be flowcharts, yada yada, but >>> nevertheless, Windows did not come about by copying anything else, >>> doing the same thing as, sure, not copying. >> Copying. >> >> It's been documented. >> >> Windows copied much of its structure from VMS. > > Windows didn't "copy" anything of the sort. Cutler used ~some~ similar > CLI/CMD features and the hierarchical file systems. Otherwise there is > little in common between ntoskrnl and the OpenVMS kernel. > > I have Windows 2000RC2 AXP running on an AlphaServer DS10 that also > boots Tru64 5.1B and OpenVMS 8.3. You have to change the BIOS from SRM > to AlphaBIOS to run Windows. > > You should do a little more research.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 20:36 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <umcmnj9qmscrdaovqbmak3lr7tkf1mdduf@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #192711 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >On 2025-01-03 22:23, paranoia wrote: >> On 1/3/2025 7:39 PM, Alan wrote: >>> >>> Windows copied much of its structure from VMS. >> >> Windows didn't "copy" anything of the sort. Cutler used ~some~ similar >> CLI/CMD features and the hierarchical file systems. Otherwise there is >> little in common between ntoskrnl and the OpenVMS kernel. >> >> I have Windows 2000RC2 AXP running on an AlphaServer DS10 that also >> boots Tru64 5.1B and OpenVMS 8.3. You have to change the BIOS from SRM >> to AlphaBIOS to run Windows. > >You should do a little more research. Your use of "copy" is the problem. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 18:19 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vlfeil$1abm6$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #192735 |
On 2025-01-05 17:36, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >> On 2025-01-03 22:23, paranoia wrote: >>> On 1/3/2025 7:39 PM, Alan wrote: >>>> >>>> Windows copied much of its structure from VMS. >>> >>> Windows didn't "copy" anything of the sort. Cutler used ~some~ similar >>> CLI/CMD features and the hierarchical file systems. Otherwise there is >>> little in common between ntoskrnl and the OpenVMS kernel. >>> >>> I have Windows 2000RC2 AXP running on an AlphaServer DS10 that also >>> boots Tru64 5.1B and OpenVMS 8.3. You have to change the BIOS from SRM >>> to AlphaBIOS to run Windows. >> >> You should do a little more research. > > > Your use of "copy" is the problem. > In what way? Did they copy the structures of VMS? Yes. They did.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 14:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <6eolnjp7m82qmtkg3ag94g73084j6jjbqo@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #192709 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >> Windows did not come about by copying anything else, >> doing the same thing as, sure, not copying. >Copying. > >It's been documented. > >Windows copied much of its structure from VMS. That's saying it incorrectly, face it. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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