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| Started by | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2025-03-18 18:12 -0400 |
| Last post | 2025-03-26 11:09 +1300 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 231 — 20 participants |
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Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-18 18:12 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-20 09:14 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 12:23 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 13:44 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 13:43 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 19:50 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Mikey <Mikey.Smith@aol.invalid> - 2025-03-21 15:00 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-21 19:59 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 16:45 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 12:26 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 23:53 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 20:00 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-21 20:27 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-22 00:45 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 19:57 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 21:49 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-21 22:29 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 16:29 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 19:59 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 20:14 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 20:29 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 01:59 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-22 04:54 -0500
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 09:22 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-22 19:16 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 07:40 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-20 14:26 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 17:58 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-20 15:52 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 20:48 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 12:31 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-21 16:47 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 13:00 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 12:29 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-21 12:40 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 15:56 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-21 22:27 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 16:36 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 14:04 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 17:52 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-22 19:18 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 19:23 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 19:17 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 08:18 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-23 12:21 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:00 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 18:06 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:17 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 18:22 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:35 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 18:41 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:54 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:11 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-23 21:05 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:22 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 17:31 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-23 22:34 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 08:53 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 13:39 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 10:48 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 19:59 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 17:47 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 23:12 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:36 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:42 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 18:57 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 23:20 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:38 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:46 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-25 00:59 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 18:17 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-25 01:30 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:58 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:44 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 22:52 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:16 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:24 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:40 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:45 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:48 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:02 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 21:10 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:26 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-04-09 18:40 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-09 11:51 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-10 10:07 +1200
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-09 18:16 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-10 19:48 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:08 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 18:14 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 19:29 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:46 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:09 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-25 06:24 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 02:31 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-23 12:20 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:13 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-23 15:39 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 15:52 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:58 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 16:11 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 22:12 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-23 16:02 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 16:09 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 20:25 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 16:34 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:43 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-03-24 09:09 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-03-24 20:10 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 18:33 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:51 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:06 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 15:26 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:33 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:44 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:11 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:47 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:11 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 18:13 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:57 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:43 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 22:54 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:15 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:22 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:36 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:43 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:49 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:09 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 21:11 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:29 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Rudy Canoza <rc@j.kone.invalid> - 2025-03-25 02:32 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 02:41 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 18:27 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 16:55 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 20:08 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 17:10 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 20:21 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 23:11 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 02:50 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-05 16:06 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 16:17 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-04-05 20:42 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 07:42 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 08:07 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 15:44 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 12:46 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 15:59 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 13:11 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-07 08:57 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-05 15:49 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 16:16 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-06 01:26 +0000
Re: π³οΈβπApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπ³οΈβπ πππ»πΊπΉπ»ππ·πΊπJenπππ»πΊπΉπ»ππ·πΊπ Dershmendenderer ππ»πΊπΉπ»ππ·πΊπΆη¬πππ»πΊπΉπ»ππ·πΊπ <root@127.0.0.1> - 2025-04-06 03:18 +0000
Re: π³οΈβπApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπ³οΈβπ vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-06 03:35 +0000
Re: π³οΈβπApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπ³οΈβπ vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-06 04:31 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 19:17 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-23 03:15 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-23 18:01 +1300
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-23 18:08 +1300
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-23 05:37 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:45 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 23:33 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:46 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:13 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:47 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-25 00:52 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:59 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:48 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:43 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 22:28 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:44 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 08:43 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 08:48 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 08:12 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 04:20 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 18:48 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 14:54 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-25 17:24 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 20:33 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-25 18:03 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 21:19 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 07:40 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-26 08:36 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 20:15 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-27 10:05 +1300
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 17:43 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-26 19:05 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 19:17 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-27 02:25 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 19:49 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-27 03:30 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 11:57 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 20:15 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 16:18 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 07:45 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-27 08:41 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 12:20 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 00:44 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 21:20 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-27 18:26 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 21:53 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-27 22:42 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-28 01:45 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-28 07:50 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 02:08 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 22:16 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 12:06 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 18:11 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 00:43 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 21:18 -0400
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-25 00:02 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <qba4ujherqkdnrfueu35tr313tnutdmfup@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #193930 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>> No. You're using Agent in an emulator under Linux; >>>> >>>> Not exactly, no, it's not emulating anything, it's literally providing >>>> the answers to API calls as if it were really Winblows. >>> >>> Which is precisely what "emulation" means. >>> >>> A process makes an API call that would normally be made to the Windows OS... >>> >>> ...and WiNE emulates the response. >> >> Nope. It translates it into something Linux or macOS understands. > >That is what "emulation" means. Hint: Wine is "Wine Is Not an Emulator", in name. Because it really isn't one - it's a compatibility layer, as it calls itself, making real Linux or macOS calls to provide the services of the Microsoft APIs. >>>>> costing you >>>>> performance, when you claim that your needs for performance are so high. >>>> >>>> Not really, I have a great system. >>> So you say... >>> >>> ...but you need to use Windows applications to fulfill all your needs. >> >> I could run Windows 11, on this machine. It would simply be inferior >> to running Linux, and using Wine sparingly. >And yet you need Windows applications to make your computing experience >whole... The few Windows apps I have under Wine are small, serving specific purposes the way *I* happen to be used to, being a former Winblows user. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-24 21:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vrtacc$2br2p$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #193933 |
On 2025-03-24 21:02, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > >>>>>> No. You're using Agent in an emulator under Linux; >>>>> >>>>> Not exactly, no, it's not emulating anything, it's literally providing >>>>> the answers to API calls as if it were really Winblows. >>>> >>>> Which is precisely what "emulation" means. >>>> >>>> A process makes an API call that would normally be made to the Windows OS... >>>> >>>> ...and WiNE emulates the response. >>> >>> Nope. It translates it into something Linux or macOS understands. >> >> That is what "emulation" means. > > > Hint: Wine is "Wine Is Not an Emulator", in name. Because it really > isn't one - it's a compatibility layer, as it calls itself, making > real Linux or macOS calls to provide the services of the Microsoft > APIs. Regardless of the name, it's a layer between the Windows application and the underlying OS. That cannot exist without processing cost. > > >>>>>> costing you >>>>>> performance, when you claim that your needs for performance are so high. >>>>> >>>>> Not really, I have a great system. >>>> So you say... >>>> >>>> ...but you need to use Windows applications to fulfill all your needs. >>> >>> I could run Windows 11, on this machine. It would simply be inferior >>> to running Linux, and using Wine sparingly. >> And yet you need Windows applications to make your computing experience >> whole... > > > The few Windows apps I have under Wine are small, serving specific > purposes the way *I* happen to be used to, being a former Winblows > user. You think that disproves my point?
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-25 00:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <62c4ujht3qhavejsi15oqbcnjshkt7f9tf@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #193937 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>>> No. You're using Agent in an emulator under Linux; >>>>>> >>>>>> Not exactly, no, it's not emulating anything, it's literally providing >>>>>> the answers to API calls as if it were really Winblows. >>>>> >>>>> Which is precisely what "emulation" means. >>>>> >>>>> A process makes an API call that would normally be made to the Windows OS... >>>>> >>>>> ...and WiNE emulates the response. >>>> >>>> Nope. It translates it into something Linux or macOS understands. >>> >>> That is what "emulation" means. >> >> Hint: Wine is "Wine Is Not an Emulator", in name. Because it really >> isn't one - it's a compatibility layer, as it calls itself, making >> real Linux or macOS calls to provide the services of the Microsoft >> APIs. > >Regardless of the name, it's a layer between the Windows application and >the underlying OS. > >That cannot exist without processing cost. Sure, but it's trivial. >>>>>>> costing you >>>>>>> performance, when you claim that your needs for performance are so high. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not really, I have a great system. >>>>> So you say... >>>>> >>>>> ...but you need to use Windows applications to fulfill all your needs. >>>> >>>> I could run Windows 11, on this machine. It would simply be inferior >>>> to running Linux, and using Wine sparingly. >>> And yet you need Windows applications to make your computing experience >>> whole... >> >> The few Windows apps I have under Wine are small, serving specific >> purposes the way *I* happen to be used to, being a former Winblows >> user. >You think that disproves my point? It absolutely refutes it, yes, most of what I'm using is native to the Linux platform. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-09 18:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnvvdflh.2rja1.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid> |
| In reply to | #193923 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote at 03:16 this Tuesday (GMT): > On 2025-03-24 19:52, Joel wrote: >> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >> >>>> I could use Agent simply for its archives of old messages, and use >>>> another app for live Usenet functions, but I *like* using Agent, for >>>> all its datedness, it still does what I like it to do. >>> >>> Right. >>> >>> Meaning that Linux cannot fulfill all of your needs. >> >> >> That's patently stupid. I could use something other than Agent. I am >> using Agent under Linux. Deal with that. >> > > No. You're using Agent in an emulator under Linux; costing you > performance, when you claim that your needs for performance are so high. Wine Is Not an Emulator -- user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-09 11:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vt6fjt$vhbp$11@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #194256 |
On 2025-04-09 11:40, candycanearter07 wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote at 03:16 this Tuesday (GMT): >> On 2025-03-24 19:52, Joel wrote: >>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>> >>>>> I could use Agent simply for its archives of old messages, and use >>>>> another app for live Usenet functions, but I *like* using Agent, for >>>>> all its datedness, it still does what I like it to do. >>>> >>>> Right. >>>> >>>> Meaning that Linux cannot fulfill all of your needs. >>> >>> >>> That's patently stupid. I could use something other than Agent. I am >>> using Agent under Linux. Deal with that. >>> >> >> No. You're using Agent in an emulator under Linux; costing you >> performance, when you claim that your needs for performance are so high. > > > Wine Is Not an Emulator Call it what you will... ...it's a performance hit.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-10 10:07 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <vt6r3l$1icte$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #194256 |
On 2025-04-09 18:40:03 +0000, candycanearter07 said: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote at 03:16 this Tuesday (GMT): >> On 2025-03-24 19:52, Joel wrote: >>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I could use Agent simply for its archives of old messages, and use >>>>> another app for live Usenet functions, but I *like* using Agent, for >>>>> all its datedness, it still does what I like it to do. >>>> >>>> Right. >>>> >>>> Meaning that Linux cannot fulfill all of your needs. >>> >>> That's patently stupid. I could use something other than Agent. I am >>> using Agent under Linux. Deal with that. >> >> No. You're using Agent in an emulator under Linux; costing you >> performance, when you claim that your needs for performance are so high. > > > Wine Is Not an Emulator It depends what system you're running WINE on as to whether it performs as a quasi-emulator or a quasi-virtualiser, but either way it still is not running the app natively either, so there is still a performance penalty. Then again, WINE and similar 'translation' apps are such utter crap that only work on specific hardware and OSes that nobody with a brain actually uses them. They screw up at the slightest update to either WINE or the OS meaning you have to rebuild the "bottled app" yet again ... and that's if you're lucky enough to get it working at all. Trying to run Windows apps without actual Windows is always going to be a ridiculously silly idea that will never work properly. :-\
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-09 18:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <rbsdvjhl6a5oa8rnvbn7rk6q47koiuu413@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #194259 |
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >On 2025-04-09 18:40:03 +0000, candycanearter07 said: >> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote at 03:16 this Tuesday (GMT): >>> On 2025-03-24 19:52, Joel wrote: >>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I could use Agent simply for its archives of old messages, and use >>>>>> another app for live Usenet functions, but I *like* using Agent, for >>>>>> all its datedness, it still does what I like it to do. >>>>> >>>>> Right. >>>>> >>>>> Meaning that Linux cannot fulfill all of your needs. >>>> >>>> That's patently stupid. I could use something other than Agent. I am >>>> using Agent under Linux. Deal with that. >>> >>> No. You're using Agent in an emulator under Linux; costing you >>> performance, when you claim that your needs for performance are so high. >> >> Wine Is Not an Emulator > >It depends what system you're running WINE on as to whether it performs >as a quasi-emulator or a quasi-virtualiser, but either way it still is >not running the app natively either, so there is still a performance >penalty. > >Then again, WINE and similar 'translation' apps are such utter crap >that only work on specific hardware and OSes that nobody with a brain >actually uses them. They screw up at the slightest update to either >WINE or the OS meaning you have to rebuild the "bottled app" yet again >... and that's if you're lucky enough to get it working at all. > >Trying to run Windows apps without actual Windows is always going to be >a ridiculously silly idea that will never work properly. :-\ It's been working for me for a long time. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-10 19:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vt979g$3mujv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #194259 |
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > On 2025-04-09 18:40:03 +0000, candycanearter07 said: > >> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote at 03:16 this Tuesday (GMT): >>> On 2025-03-24 19:52, Joel wrote: >>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I could use Agent simply for its archives of old messages, and use >>>>>> another app for live Usenet functions, but I *like* using Agent, for >>>>>> all its datedness, it still does what I like it to do. >>>>> >>>>> Right. >>>>> >>>>> Meaning that Linux cannot fulfill all of your needs. >>>> >>>> That's patently stupid. I could use something other than Agent. I am >>>> using Agent under Linux. Deal with that. >>> >>> No. You're using Agent in an emulator under Linux; costing you >>> performance, when you claim that your needs for performance are so high. >> >> >> Wine Is Not an Emulator > > It depends what system you're running WINE on as to whether it performs > as a quasi-emulator or a quasi-virtualiser, but either way it still is > not running the app natively either, so there is still a performance > penalty. > > Then again, WINE and similar 'translation' apps are such utter crap > that only work on specific hardware and OSes that nobody with a brain > actually uses them. They screw up at the slightest update to either > WINE or the OS meaning you have to rebuild the "bottled app" yet again > ... and that's if you're lucky enough to get it working at all. > > Trying to run Windows apps without actual Windows is always going to be > a ridiculously silly idea that will never work properly. :-\ Except it does and has done for decades. The CrossOver payware software is based on WINE so not only does it work but companies have established themselves on it.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-24 21:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ef04ujtkebo9tgeue7s7i5htbeg9heiu44@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #193896 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>> I'm using Forte Agent under Wine [in Linux], but you see, that's for Usenet, >>> >>> Which is basically an admission that Linux isn't up to the job. >> >> Nope. > >Yup. > >> There are GUI newsreaders for Linux, but also console ones that >> are superb. > >And yet you choose not to use them. > >> I like Agent because I used it for years and years before >> using Linux all the time. It doesn't imply Linux can't run something >> equally good, in fact it's running Agent itself thanks to Wine. How >> is that "not up to the job", pray tell, Alan > >It's running it under emulation. > >You're using computer resources to emulate Windows... > >...and you can't see how that relates to your need to spend more on RAM, >etc. You have a very small mind, Alan. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-24 18:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vrt01n$1u3up$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #193905 |
On 2025-03-24 18:08, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > >>>>> I'm using Forte Agent under Wine [in Linux], but you see, that's for Usenet, >>>> >>>> Which is basically an admission that Linux isn't up to the job. >>> >>> Nope. >> >> Yup. >> >>> There are GUI newsreaders for Linux, but also console ones that >>> are superb. >> >> And yet you choose not to use them. >> >>> I like Agent because I used it for years and years before >>> using Linux all the time. It doesn't imply Linux can't run something >>> equally good, in fact it's running Agent itself thanks to Wine. How >>> is that "not up to the job", pray tell, Alan >> >> It's running it under emulation. >> >> You're using computer resources to emulate Windows... >> >> ...and you can't see how that relates to your need to spend more on RAM, >> etc. > > > You have a very small mind, Alan. > An empty insult instead of proof... ...yeah: that tracks!
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-03-24 19:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <tVlEP.1277123$_N6e.917180@fx17.iad> |
| In reply to | #193882 |
On 2025-03-24 5:42 p.m., Alan wrote: > On 2025-03-23 11:54, Joel wrote: >> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote: >>> On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote: >>>>> On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>> On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> He's [JWC is] more like scabies:Β really irritating and >>>>>>>>> difficult to get rid of. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> OK, Mac user. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You might have as well said "air breather". >>>>>>> If you need assistance with insults, I can help. >>>>>>> Can and will aren't equal. >>>>>>> I think your nym as "Buffy" would be more insightful. >>>>>> >>>>>> The point is, Sn!pe can't talk high-and-mighty about me, a Linux >>>>>> user. >>>>> >>>>> A Linux user would need additional accolades to be high-and-mighty. >>>>> I'm only 5'10" but I'm somewhat strong. >>>>> Tough to be everything at once. >>>> >>>> Sn!pe gives me no reason to believe she uses the command line. >>> >>> I used vim to type this. >>> It's up to the "user" to "use" what works for them. >>> That's real equality. >> >> >> I'm using Forte Agent under Wine, but you see, that's for Usenet, > > Which is basically an admission that Linux isn't up to the job. He prefers the Forte Agent interface for some reason, I believe that chrisv here does too. There's nothing wrong with that. There are decent Usenet readers in Linux, but some might just be used to whatever they first used. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage John 14:6
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-24 17:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vrsudn$1u3ji$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #193893 |
On 2025-03-24 16:29, CrudeSausage wrote: > On 2025-03-24 5:42 p.m., Alan wrote: >> On 2025-03-23 11:54, Joel wrote: >>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote: >>>> On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> He's [JWC is] more like scabies:Β really irritating and >>>>>>>>>> difficult to get rid of. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> OK, Mac user. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You might have as well said "air breather". >>>>>>>> If you need assistance with insults, I can help. >>>>>>>> Can and will aren't equal. >>>>>>>> I think your nym as "Buffy" would be more insightful. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The point is, Sn!pe can't talk high-and-mighty about me, a Linux >>>>>>> user. >>>>>> >>>>>> A Linux user would need additional accolades to be high-and-mighty. >>>>>> I'm only 5'10" but I'm somewhat strong. >>>>>> Tough to be everything at once. >>>>> >>>>> Sn!pe gives me no reason to believe she uses the command line. >>>> >>>> I used vim to type this. >>>> It's up to the "user" to "use" what works for them. >>>> That's real equality. >>> >>> >>> I'm using Forte Agent under Wine, but you see, that's for Usenet, >> >> Which is basically an admission that Linux isn't up to the job. > > He prefers the Forte Agent interface for some reason, I believe that > chrisv here does too. There's nothing wrong with that. There are decent > Usenet readers in Linux, but some might just be used to whatever they > first used. > It's an admission that you can't use Linux without making compromises.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-24 21:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <0h04ujddkh8ttmrbi04lg99kgaurhng7g6@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #193897 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >On 2025-03-24 16:29, CrudeSausage wrote: >> On 2025-03-24 5:42 p.m., Alan wrote: >>> On 2025-03-23 11:54, Joel wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm using Forte Agent under Wine, but you see, that's for Usenet, >>> >>> Which is basically an admission that Linux isn't up to the job. >> >> He prefers the Forte Agent interface for some reason, I believe that >> chrisv here does too. There's nothing wrong with that. There are decent >> Usenet readers in Linux, but some might just be used to whatever they >> first used. > >It's an admission that you can't use Linux without making compromises. Unlike shelling out the money for Apple's computers, of course, not compromising at all there, no sir. You're making a wise investment to let Steve Jobs substitute for your own brain. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-25 06:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m4f0grFoi5cU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #193897 |
On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 17:46:47 -0700, Alan wrote: > It's an admission that you can't use Linux without making compromises. No, it's an admission Joel can't use Linux without making compromises. I've never used Forte so I can't make a comparison but he couldn't come up with a compelling reason why it is so much better than Pan. My preference used to be KNode but that died from lack of interest.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-25 02:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <0dj4uj5gkgbge5ptierd7c7g9crk5n7ee2@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #193942 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 17:46:47 -0700, Alan wrote: > >> It's an admission that you can't use Linux without making compromises. > >No, it's an admission Joel can't use Linux without making compromises. >I've never used Forte so I can't make a comparison but he couldn't come up >with a compelling reason why it is so much better than Pan. > >My preference used to be KNode but that died from lack of interest. Pan is fine for what it is, Agent is more elegant. But Pan illustrates why Alan harping on my use of Wine is BS. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-23 12:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <vrpccn$2ne97$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #193824 |
On 3/22/25 19:23, Joel wrote: > -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote: >> On 3/22/25 17:52, Joel wrote: >>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> [A souped up Mac mini] would match what I have with Linux [in support of needed apps and use]. >>>>>> What actual tasks do you use the computer to complete? >>>>> >>>>> Keeping everything I run loaded at once. >>>> >>>> What do you run, and what resources does each use? >>> >>> Take a look at my Cinnamon taskbar: https://i.imgur.com/yPGDm6a.png >> >> Um...yeah, so? That you have ~25 Apps on your machine's Dock doesn't >> mean that you have 25 Apps running concurrently. > > > They are running, dude. I'm an Internet presence. Deal with it. Sorry, don't buy it. Show the RAM processes usage page, not the Dock, for that claim. Similarly, even if it was true, to go identify just what the workflow is which actually needs to have 20+ diverse apps running concurrently. -hh
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-23 14:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <eqj0uj9chev4rppjeupbs1vmmd57ul6mcs@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #193840 |
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote: >>>> Take a look at my Cinnamon taskbar: https://i.imgur.com/yPGDm6a.png >>> >>> Um...yeah, so? That you have ~25 Apps on your machine's Dock doesn't >>> mean that you have 25 Apps running concurrently. >> >> They are running, dude. I'm an Internet presence. Deal with it. > >Sorry, don't buy it. Show the RAM processes usage page, not the Dock, >for that claim. > >Similarly, even if it was true, to go identify just what the workflow is >which actually needs to have 20+ diverse apps running concurrently. Do the math. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-23 15:39 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <vrpo2a$32bif$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #193847 |
On 3/23/25 14:13, Joel wrote: > -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote: > >>>>> Take a look at my Cinnamon taskbar: https://i.imgur.com/yPGDm6a.png >>>> >>>> Um...yeah, so? That you have ~25 Apps on your machine's Dock doesn't >>>> mean that you have 25 Apps running concurrently. >>> >>> They are running, dude. I'm an Internet presence. Deal with it. >> >> Sorry, don't buy it. Show the RAM processes usage page, not the Dock, >> for that claim. >> >> Similarly, even if it was true, to go identify just what the workflow is >> which actually needs to have 20+ diverse apps running concurrently. > > > Do the math. I have. That's precisely why I'm asking for what possible workflow could require so many concurrent open Apps for one human to allegedly be rapidly swapping between. Workflows are subject to the Laws of Diminishing Returns. For any modern system with fast storage (eg, NVMe), the pretense of a productivity gains from leaving Apps resident in RAM has functionally ended for the Pareto Principle 80% portion. -hh
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-23 15:52 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <vfp0ujd09ci2gfpo1tpuaqfv8p5lug6c06@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #193860 |
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote: >>>>>> Take a look at my Cinnamon taskbar: https://i.imgur.com/yPGDm6a.png >>>>> >>>>> Um...yeah, so? That you have ~25 Apps on your machine's Dock doesn't >>>>> mean that you have 25 Apps running concurrently. >>>> >>>> They are running, dude. I'm an Internet presence. Deal with it. >>> >>> Sorry, don't buy it. Show the RAM processes usage page, not the Dock, >>> for that claim. >>> >>> Similarly, even if it was true, to go identify just what the workflow is >>> which actually needs to have 20+ diverse apps running concurrently. >> >> Do the math. > >I have. That's precisely why I'm asking for what possible workflow >could require so many concurrent open Apps for one human to allegedly be >rapidly swapping between. > >Workflows are subject to the Laws of Diminishing Returns. For any >modern system with fast storage (eg, NVMe), the pretense of a >productivity gains from leaving Apps resident in RAM has functionally >ended for the Pareto Principle 80% portion. My "workflow" is just revolving through different apps for various functions. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-23 19:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnvu0pus.2t7.Adison@localhost.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #193861 |
On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: > -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> Take a look at my Cinnamon taskbar: https://i.imgur.com/yPGDm6a.png >>>>>> >>>>>> Um...yeah, so? That you have ~25 Apps on your machine's Dock doesn't >>>>>> mean that you have 25 Apps running concurrently. >>>>> >>>>> They are running, dude. I'm an Internet presence. Deal with it. >>>> >>>> Sorry, don't buy it. Show the RAM processes usage page, not the Dock, >>>> for that claim. >>>> >>>> Similarly, even if it was true, to go identify just what the workflow is >>>> which actually needs to have 20+ diverse apps running concurrently. >>> >>> Do the math. >> >>I have. That's precisely why I'm asking for what possible workflow >>could require so many concurrent open Apps for one human to allegedly be >>rapidly swapping between. >> >>Workflows are subject to the Laws of Diminishing Returns. For any >>modern system with fast storage (eg, NVMe), the pretense of a >>productivity gains from leaving Apps resident in RAM has functionally >>ended for the Pareto Principle 80% portion. > > > My "workflow" is just revolving through different apps for various > functions. workflows not involving "work" are just flows, any tampon will do. -- End Transmission
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