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Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control

Started byJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
First post2025-03-18 18:12 -0400
Last post2025-03-26 11:09 +1300
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  Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-18 18:12 -0400
    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-20 09:14 -0700
      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 12:23 -0400
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 13:44 -0400
      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 13:43 -0400
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 19:50 +0000
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Mikey <Mikey.Smith@aol.invalid> - 2025-03-21 15:00 +0000
            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-21 19:59 +0000
            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 16:45 -0400
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 12:26 -0400
            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 23:53 +0000
              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 20:00 -0400
                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-21 20:27 -0400
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-22 00:45 +0000
                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 19:57 -0400
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 21:49 -0400
                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-21 22:29 -0700
                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 16:29 -0400
                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 19:59 -0400
                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 20:14 -0400
                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 20:29 -0400
                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 01:59 +0000
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-22 04:54 -0500
                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 09:22 +0000
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-22 19:16 +0000
                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 07:40 +0000
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-20 14:26 -0700
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 17:58 -0400
            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-20 15:52 -0700
              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 20:48 -0400
                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 12:31 -0400
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-21 16:47 +0000
                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 13:00 -0400
              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 12:29 -0400
                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-21 12:40 -0700
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 15:56 -0400
                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-21 22:27 -0700
                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 16:36 -0400
                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 14:04 -0700
                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 17:52 -0400
                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-22 19:18 -0400
                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 19:23 -0400
                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 19:17 -0700
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 08:18 -0400
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-23 12:21 +0000
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:00 -0400
                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 18:06 +0000
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:17 -0400
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 18:22 +0000
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:35 -0400
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 18:41 +0000
                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:54 -0400
                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:11 +0000
                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-23 21:05 +0000
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:22 -0700
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 17:31 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-23 22:34 +0000
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 08:53 -0400
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 13:39 +0000
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 10:48 -0400
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 19:59 +0000
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 17:47 -0400
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 23:12 +0000
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:36 -0400
                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:42 -0700
                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 18:57 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 23:20 +0000
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:38 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:46 -0700
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-25 00:59 +0000
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 18:17 -0700
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-25 01:30 +0000
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:58 -0400
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:44 -0700
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 22:52 -0400
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:16 -0700
                                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:24 -0400
                                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:40 -0700
                                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:45 -0400
                                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:48 -0700
                                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:02 -0400
                                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 21:10 -0700
                                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:26 -0400
                                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-04-09 18:40 +0000
                                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-09 11:51 -0700
                                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-10 10:07 +1200
                                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-09 18:16 -0400
                                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-10 19:48 +0000
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:08 -0400
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 18:14 -0700
                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 19:29 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:46 -0700
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:09 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-25 06:24 +0000
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 02:31 -0400
                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-23 12:20 -0400
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:13 -0400
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-23 15:39 -0400
                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 15:52 -0400
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:58 +0000
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 16:11 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 22:12 +0000
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-23 16:02 -0400
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 16:09 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 20:25 +0000
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 16:34 -0400
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:43 -0700
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-03-24 09:09 -0400
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-03-24 20:10 +0000
                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 18:33 +0000
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:51 -0400
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:06 +0000
                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 15:26 -0400
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:33 +0000
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:44 -0700
                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:11 -0400
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:47 -0700
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:11 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 18:13 -0700
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:57 -0400
                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:43 -0700
                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 22:54 -0400
                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:15 -0700
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:22 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:36 -0700
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:43 -0400
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:49 -0700
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:09 -0400
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 21:11 -0700
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:29 -0400
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Rudy Canoza <rc@j.kone.invalid> - 2025-03-25 02:32 -0400
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 02:41 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 18:27 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 16:55 -0700
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 20:08 -0400
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 17:10 -0700
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 20:21 -0400
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 23:11 -0700
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 02:50 -0400
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-05 16:06 -0400
                                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 16:17 -0400
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-04-05 20:42 -0400
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 07:42 -0400
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 08:07 -0700
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 15:44 -0400
                                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 12:46 -0700
                                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 15:59 -0400
                                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 13:11 -0700
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-07 08:57 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-05 15:49 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 16:16 -0400
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-06 01:26 +0000
                                                            Re: πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ πŸŒˆπŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸŒˆJenπŸŒˆπŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸŒˆ Dershmendenderer πŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸΆη¬›πŸŒˆπŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸŒˆ <root@127.0.0.1>  - 2025-04-06 03:18 +0000
                                                              Re: πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-06 03:35 +0000
                                                                Re: πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-06 04:31 +0000
                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 19:17 -0700
                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-23 03:15 +0000
                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-23 18:01 +1300
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-23 18:08 +1300
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-23 05:37 +0000
                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:45 -0700
                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 23:33 -0400
                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:46 -0700
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:13 -0400
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:47 -0700
                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-25 00:52 +0000
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:59 -0700
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:48 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:43 -0700
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 22:28 -0400
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:44 -0700
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 08:43 -0400
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 08:48 -0400
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 08:12 +0000
                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 04:20 -0400
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 18:48 +0000
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 14:54 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-25 17:24 -0700
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 20:33 -0400
                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-25 18:03 -0700
                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 21:19 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 07:40 +0000
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-26 08:36 -0400
                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 20:15 +0000
                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-27 10:05 +1300
                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 17:43 -0400
                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-26 19:05 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 19:17 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-27 02:25 +0000
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 19:49 -0700
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-27 03:30 +0000
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 11:57 -0400
                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 20:15 +0000
                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 16:18 -0400
                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 07:45 +0000
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-27 08:41 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 12:20 -0400
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 00:44 +0000
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 21:20 -0400
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-27 18:26 -0700
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 21:53 -0400
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-27 22:42 -0700
                                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-28 01:45 -0400
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-28 07:50 +0000
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 02:08 +0000
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 22:16 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 12:06 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 18:11 +0000
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 00:43 +0000
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 21:18 -0400
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-28 08:26 -0400
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 14:58 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 15:13 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 02:09 +0000
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-21 20:33 -0400
    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 00:00 -0400
      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:06 -0400
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 21:09 -0700
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:25 -0400
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 10:13 -0400
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 10:20 -0400
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 11:01 -0400
            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 02:05 +0000
      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 08:47 -0400
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 10:35 -0400
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 10:41 -0400
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 11:04 -0400
            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-26 11:09 +1300
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        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 18:53 +0000
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#193823

From-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Date2025-03-22 19:18 -0400
Message-ID<vrngfl$vd5q$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#193822
On 3/22/25 17:52, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>> [A souped up Mac mini] would match what I have with Linux [in support of needed apps and use].
>>>> What actual tasks do you use the computer to complete?
>>>
>>> Keeping everything I run loaded at once.
>>
>> What do you run, and what resources does each use?
> 
> 
> Take a look at my Cinnamon taskbar:  https://i.imgur.com/yPGDm6a.png
> 

Um...yeah, so?   That you have ~25 Apps on your machine's Dock doesn't 
mean that you have 25 Apps running concurrently.


-hh

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#193824

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-22 19:23 -0400
Message-ID<ehhutjlft3b11qb7cd6rq8ed410hg41lom@4ax.com>
In reply to#193823
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>On 3/22/25 17:52, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>> [A souped up Mac mini] would match what I have with Linux [in support of needed apps and use].
>>>>> What actual tasks do you use the computer to complete?
>>>>
>>>> Keeping everything I run loaded at once.
>>>
>>> What do you run, and what resources does each use?
>> 
>> Take a look at my Cinnamon taskbar:  https://i.imgur.com/yPGDm6a.png
>
>Um...yeah, so?   That you have ~25 Apps on your machine's Dock doesn't 
>mean that you have 25 Apps running concurrently.


They are running, dude.  I'm an Internet presence.  Deal with it.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#193826

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-03-22 19:17 -0700
Message-ID<vrnr0f$18oag$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#193824
On 2025-03-22 16:23, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> On 3/22/25 17:52, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> [A souped up Mac mini] would match what I have with Linux [in support of needed apps and use].
>>>>>> What actual tasks do you use the computer to complete?
>>>>>
>>>>> Keeping everything I run loaded at once.
>>>>
>>>> What do you run, and what resources does each use?
>>>
>>> Take a look at my Cinnamon taskbar:  https://i.imgur.com/yPGDm6a.png
>>
>> Um...yeah, so?   That you have ~25 Apps on your machine's Dock doesn't
>> mean that you have 25 Apps running concurrently.
> 
> 
> They are running, dude.  I'm an Internet presence.  Deal with it.
> 

You're...

..."an Internet presence"???

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

🀣🀣🀣🀣🀣

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#193838

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-23 08:18 -0400
Message-ID<2uuvtj9bf511q0c0bmpdn6utoblmbgu9s6@4ax.com>
In reply to#193826
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2025-03-22 16:23, Joel wrote:
>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>> On 3/22/25 17:52, Joel wrote:
>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> [A souped up Mac mini] would match what I have with Linux [in support of needed apps and use].
>>>>>>> What actual tasks do you use the computer to complete?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keeping everything I run loaded at once.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you run, and what resources does each use?
>>>>
>>>> Take a look at my Cinnamon taskbar:  https://i.imgur.com/yPGDm6a.png
>>>
>>> Um...yeah, so?   That you have ~25 Apps on your machine's Dock doesn't
>>> mean that you have 25 Apps running concurrently.
>> 
>> They are running, dude.  I'm an Internet presence.  Deal with it.
>
>You're...
>
>..."an Internet presence"???
>
>LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>
>?????


Yes.  I am quite a celebrity, in fact, getting messages from every
direction, and I am polite with them all.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#193839

Fromsnipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)
Date2025-03-23 12:21 +0000
Message-ID<1r9ne4n.j7bric1gkfjx0N%snipeco.2@gmail.com>
In reply to#193826
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2025-03-22 16:23, Joel wrote:
[...]
> > They are running, dude.  I'm an Internet presence.  Deal with it.
> > 
> 
> You're...
> 
> ..."an Internet presence"???
> 
> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
> 
> ?????
>

He's more like scabies:  really irritating and difficult to get rid of.

-- 
^Ï^.      Sn!pe, MRSA, PTB, FIBS        My pet rock Gordon just is.

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#193844

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-23 14:00 -0400
Message-ID<tvi0uj51cf9qflgvgs5fcd9a0fj6s33lth@4ax.com>
In reply to#193839
snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

>User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.8.6b1 (ed136d9b90) (Mac OS 10.13.6)
>
>Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2025-03-22 16:23, Joel wrote:
>[...]
>> > They are running, dude.  I'm an Internet presence.  Deal with it.
>> 
>> You're...
>> 
>> ..."an Internet presence"???
>> 
>> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>> 
>> ?????
>
>He's more like scabies:  really irritating and difficult to get rid of.


OK, Mac user.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#193845

FromAdison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid>
Date2025-03-23 18:06 +0000
Message-ID<slrnvu0jct.4l4.Adison@localhost.localdomain>
In reply to#193844
On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>
>>User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.8.6b1 (ed136d9b90) (Mac OS 10.13.6)
>>
>>Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2025-03-22 16:23, Joel wrote:
>>[...]
>>> > They are running, dude.  I'm an Internet presence.  Deal with it.
>>> 
>>> You're...
>>> 
>>> ..."an Internet presence"???
>>> 
>>> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>>> 
>>> ?????
>>
>>He's more like scabies:  really irritating and difficult to get rid of.
>
>
> OK, Mac user.

You might have as well said "air breather".
If you need assistance with insults, I can help.
Can and will aren't equal.
I think your nym as "Buffy" would be more insightful.

-- 
End Transmission

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#193848

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-23 14:17 -0400
Message-ID<qvj0ujlq885q7qa49bsij83qppcr90030t@4ax.com>
In reply to#193845
Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
>On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>>
>>>User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.8.6b1 (ed136d9b90) (Mac OS 10.13.6)
>>>
>>>Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2025-03-22 16:23, Joel wrote:
>>>[...]
>>>> > They are running, dude.  I'm an Internet presence.  Deal with it.
>>>> 
>>>> You're...
>>>> 
>>>> ..."an Internet presence"???
>>>> 
>>>> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>>>> 
>>>> ?????
>>>
>>>He's more like scabies:  really irritating and difficult to get rid of.
>>
>> OK, Mac user.
>
>You might have as well said "air breather".
>If you need assistance with insults, I can help.
>Can and will aren't equal.
>I think your nym as "Buffy" would be more insightful.


The point is, Sn!pe can't talk high-and-mighty about me, a Linux user.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#193849

FromAdison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid>
Date2025-03-23 18:22 +0000
Message-ID<slrnvu0kbn.4ol.Adison@localhost.localdomain>
In reply to#193848
On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
>>On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>>>
>>>>User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.8.6b1 (ed136d9b90) (Mac OS 10.13.6)
>>>>
>>>>Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-03-22 16:23, Joel wrote:
>>>>[...]
>>>>> > They are running, dude.  I'm an Internet presence.  Deal with it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You're...
>>>>> 
>>>>> ..."an Internet presence"???
>>>>> 
>>>>> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?????
>>>>
>>>>He's more like scabies:  really irritating and difficult to get rid of.
>>>
>>> OK, Mac user.
>>
>>You might have as well said "air breather".
>>If you need assistance with insults, I can help.
>>Can and will aren't equal.
>>I think your nym as "Buffy" would be more insightful.
>
>
> The point is, Sn!pe can't talk high-and-mighty about me, a Linux user.

A Linux user would need additional accolades to be high-and-mighty.
I'm only 5'10" but I'm somewhat strong.
Tough to be everything at once.

-- 
End Transmission

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#193851

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-23 14:35 -0400
Message-ID<40l0ujtsp00snn8gtg1d3q8pot4numc7vf@4ax.com>
In reply to#193849
Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
>On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
>>>On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.8.6b1 (ed136d9b90) (Mac OS 10.13.6)
>>>>>
>>>>>Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-03-22 16:23, Joel wrote:
>>>>>[...]
>>>>>> > They are running, dude.  I'm an Internet presence.  Deal with it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You're...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ..."an Internet presence"???
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?????
>>>>>
>>>>>He's more like scabies:  really irritating and difficult to get rid of.
>>>>
>>>> OK, Mac user.
>>>
>>>You might have as well said "air breather".
>>>If you need assistance with insults, I can help.
>>>Can and will aren't equal.
>>>I think your nym as "Buffy" would be more insightful.
>>
>> The point is, Sn!pe can't talk high-and-mighty about me, a Linux user.
>
>A Linux user would need additional accolades to be high-and-mighty.
>I'm only 5'10" but I'm somewhat strong.
>Tough to be everything at once.


Sn!pe gives me no reason to believe she uses the command line.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#193852

FromAdison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid>
Date2025-03-23 18:41 +0000
Message-ID<slrnvu0lds.50b.Adison@localhost.localdomain>
In reply to#193851
On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
>>On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
>>>>On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.8.6b1 (ed136d9b90) (Mac OS 10.13.6)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-03-22 16:23, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>[...]
>>>>>>> > They are running, dude.  I'm an Internet presence.  Deal with it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You're...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ..."an Internet presence"???
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ?????
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He's more like scabies:  really irritating and difficult to get rid of.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, Mac user.
>>>>
>>>>You might have as well said "air breather".
>>>>If you need assistance with insults, I can help.
>>>>Can and will aren't equal.
>>>>I think your nym as "Buffy" would be more insightful.
>>>
>>> The point is, Sn!pe can't talk high-and-mighty about me, a Linux user.
>>
>>A Linux user would need additional accolades to be high-and-mighty.
>>I'm only 5'10" but I'm somewhat strong.
>>Tough to be everything at once.
>
>
> Sn!pe gives me no reason to believe she uses the command line.

I used vim to type this.
It's up to the "user" to "use" what works for them.
That's real equality.

-- 
End Transmission

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#193855

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-23 14:54 -0400
Message-ID<52m0ujlj963t9vgssefgrok4femvs43ts6@4ax.com>
In reply to#193852
Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
>On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
>>>On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>He's [JWC is] more like scabies:  really irritating and difficult to get rid of.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, Mac user.
>>>>>
>>>>>You might have as well said "air breather".
>>>>>If you need assistance with insults, I can help.
>>>>>Can and will aren't equal.
>>>>>I think your nym as "Buffy" would be more insightful.
>>>>
>>>> The point is, Sn!pe can't talk high-and-mighty about me, a Linux user.
>>>
>>>A Linux user would need additional accolades to be high-and-mighty.
>>>I'm only 5'10" but I'm somewhat strong.
>>>Tough to be everything at once.
>>
>> Sn!pe gives me no reason to believe she uses the command line.
>
>I used vim to type this.
>It's up to the "user" to "use" what works for them.
>That's real equality.


I'm using Forte Agent under Wine, but you see, that's for Usenet, I'm
not living in 1987, or something.  There are things I have on my
system that Debian doesn't just hand you on a silver platter.  Whereas
Sn!pe uses MacSOUP FFS.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#193857

FromAdison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid>
Date2025-03-23 19:11 +0000
Message-ID<slrnvu0n7k.538.Adison@localhost.localdomain>
In reply to#193855
On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
>>On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
>>>>On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>He's [JWC is] more like scabies:  really irritating and difficult to get rid of.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, Mac user.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You might have as well said "air breather".
>>>>>>If you need assistance with insults, I can help.
>>>>>>Can and will aren't equal.
>>>>>>I think your nym as "Buffy" would be more insightful.
>>>>>
>>>>> The point is, Sn!pe can't talk high-and-mighty about me, a Linux user.
>>>>
>>>>A Linux user would need additional accolades to be high-and-mighty.
>>>>I'm only 5'10" but I'm somewhat strong.
>>>>Tough to be everything at once.
>>>
>>> Sn!pe gives me no reason to believe she uses the command line.
>>
>>I used vim to type this.
>>It's up to the "user" to "use" what works for them.
>>That's real equality.
>
>
> I'm using Forte Agent under Wine, but you see, that's for Usenet, I'm
> not living in 1987, or something.  There are things I have on my
> system that Debian doesn't just hand you on a silver platter.  Whereas
> Sn!pe uses MacSOUP FFS.

I never post under Wine, wine is disgusting.
I'm currently posting under Tullamore DEW, which runs on any OS or
computer, and after very many, runs on anything including elephants.

-- 
End Transmission

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#193868

Fromsnipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)
Date2025-03-23 21:05 +0000
Message-ID<1r9o0lp.1on6rz519eeadtN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>
In reply to#193857
Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:

> On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
> >>On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>>>On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>He's [JWC is] more like scabies:  
> >>>>>>>>really irritating and difficult to get rid of.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> OK, Mac user.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>You might have as well said "air breather".
> >>>>>>If you need assistance with insults, I can help.
> >>>>>>Can and will aren't equal.
> >>>>>>I think your nym as "Buffy" would be more insightful.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The point is, Sn!pe can't talk high-and-mighty about me, 
> >>>>> a Linux user.
> >>>>

[FTAOD, what follows is addressed to Joel]  

Excuse me, I wasn't talking high and mighty about you as a Linux user
even though I happen to prefer macOS; I was criticising your behaviour
as a Usenet user.

> >>>>
> >>>>A Linux user would need additional accolades to be high-and-mighty.
> >>>>I'm only 5'10" but I'm somewhat strong.
> >>>>Tough to be everything at once.
> >>>
> >>> Sn!pe gives me no reason to believe she uses the command line.
> >>

Please!  Upon what grounds do you impute my sex, you person of
distinctly ambiguous gender?  That is completely irrelevant, merely
gratuitously offensive. 

> >>
> >>I used vim to type this.
> >>It's up to the "user" to "use" what works for them.
> >>That's real equality.
> >>
> >
> > I'm using Forte Agent under Wine, but you see, that's for Usenet,
> > I'm not living in 1987, or something.  There are things I have on my
> > system that Debian doesn't just hand you on a silver platter. 
> > Whereas Sn!pe uses MacSOUP FFS.

[...]

In what way does my fondness for my antediluvian News reader 
make me inferior, if you please?

In my strictly personal view:  you, Mr "Internet Presence" are plainly 
and simply a risible poseur.  You are a habitual hijacker of technical
threads in a technical newsgroup for self-aggrandisement and promotion
of your own alternative sexual practices.  You have a greatly overblown,
hubristic, opinion of your own worth and you're downright pompous.

Apart from that, you're a jolly fine fellow, well done.  

I've said my piece, now please feel free to have the last word.

-- 
^Ï^.      Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS        My pet rock Gordon just is.

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#193869

From% <pursent100@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-23 14:22 -0700
Message-ID<iSednfeiuKs45n36nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#193868
Sn!pe wrote:
> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He's [JWC is] more like scabies:
>>>>>>>>>> really irritating and difficult to get rid of.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK, Mac user.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You might have as well said "air breather".
>>>>>>>> If you need assistance with insults, I can help.
>>>>>>>> Can and will aren't equal.
>>>>>>>> I think your nym as "Buffy" would be more insightful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The point is, Sn!pe can't talk high-and-mighty about me,
>>>>>>> a Linux user.
>>>>>>
> 
> [FTAOD, what follows is addressed to Joel]
> 
> Excuse me, I wasn't talking high and mighty about you as a Linux user
> even though I happen to prefer macOS; I was criticising your behaviour
> as a Usenet user.
> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Linux user would need additional accolades to be high-and-mighty.
>>>>>> I'm only 5'10" but I'm somewhat strong.
>>>>>> Tough to be everything at once.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sn!pe gives me no reason to believe she uses the command line.
>>>>
> 
> Please!  Upon what grounds do you impute my sex, you person of
> distinctly ambiguous gender?  That is completely irrelevant, merely
> gratuitously offensive.
> 
>>>>
>>>> I used vim to type this.
>>>> It's up to the "user" to "use" what works for them.
>>>> That's real equality.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm using Forte Agent under Wine, but you see, that's for Usenet,
>>> I'm not living in 1987, or something.  There are things I have on my
>>> system that Debian doesn't just hand you on a silver platter.
>>> Whereas Sn!pe uses MacSOUP FFS.
> 
> [...]
> 
> In what way does my fondness for my antediluvian News reader
> make me inferior, if you please?
> 
> In my strictly personal view:  you, Mr "Internet Presence" are plainly
> and simply a risible poseur.  You are a habitual hijacker of technical
> threads in a technical newsgroup for self-aggrandisement and promotion
> of your own alternative sexual practices.  You have a greatly overblown,
> hubristic, opinion of your own worth and you're downright pompous.
> 
> Apart from that, you're a jolly fine fellow, well done.
> 
> I've said my piece, now please feel free to have the last word.
> 
oh no , i get that

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#193870

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-23 17:31 -0400
Message-ID<r3v0ujd1lalurcccv5sbpev16m06tjuvah@4ax.com>
In reply to#193868
snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

>User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.8.6b1 (ed136d9b90) (Mac OS 10.13.6)
>
>Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
>> >>On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
>> >>>>On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
>> >>>>>>On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>He's [JWC is] more like scabies:  
>> >>>>>>>>really irritating and difficult to get rid of.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> OK, Mac user.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>You might have as well said "air breather".
>> >>>>>>If you need assistance with insults, I can help.
>> >>>>>>Can and will aren't equal.
>> >>>>>>I think your nym as "Buffy" would be more insightful.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The point is, Sn!pe can't talk high-and-mighty about me, 
>> >>>>> a Linux user.
>
>[FTAOD, what follows is addressed to Joel]  
>
>Excuse me, I wasn't talking high and mighty about you as a Linux user
>even though I happen to prefer macOS; I was criticising your behaviour
>as a Usenet user.


You don't believe I'm Jesus, we know.


>> >>>>A Linux user would need additional accolades to be high-and-mighty.
>> >>>>I'm only 5'10" but I'm somewhat strong.
>> >>>>Tough to be everything at once.
>> >>>
>> >>> Sn!pe gives me no reason to believe she uses the command line.
>
>Please!  Upon what grounds do you impute my sex, you person of
>distinctly ambiguous gender?  That is completely irrelevant, merely
>gratuitously offensive. 


I thought I remembered you being female, I admit I don't know quite
where that's from.


>> >>I used vim to type this.
>> >>It's up to the "user" to "use" what works for them.
>> >>That's real equality.
>> >
>> > I'm using Forte Agent under Wine, but you see, that's for Usenet,
>> > I'm not living in 1987, or something.  There are things I have on my
>> > system that Debian doesn't just hand you on a silver platter. 
>> > Whereas Sn!pe uses MacSOUP FFS.
>
>[...]
>
>In what way does my fondness for my antediluvian News reader 
>make me inferior, if you please?


You're using an OS released in 2017.  On Intel.  And it's Apple.  Just
tacky.


>In my strictly personal view:  you, Mr "Internet Presence" are plainly 
>and simply a risible poseur.  You are a habitual hijacker of technical
>threads in a technical newsgroup for self-aggrandisement and promotion
>of your own alternative sexual practices.  You have a greatly overblown,
>hubristic, opinion of your own worth and you're downright pompous.
>
>Apart from that, you're a jolly fine fellow, well done.  
>
>I've said my piece, now please feel free to have the last word.


It's Usenet, heh.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#193872

Fromsnipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)
Date2025-03-23 22:34 +0000
Message-ID<1r9o4d1.vknahz19y5ei5N%snipeco.2@gmail.com>
In reply to#193870
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
> 
> >User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.8.6b1 (ed136d9b90) (Mac OS 10.13.6)
> >
> >Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
> >> >>On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
> >> >>>>On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>He's [JWC is] more like scabies:  
> >> >>>>>>>>really irritating and difficult to get rid of.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> OK, Mac user.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>You might have as well said "air breather".
> >> >>>>>>If you need assistance with insults, I can help.
> >> >>>>>>Can and will aren't equal.
> >> >>>>>>I think your nym as "Buffy" would be more insightful.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> The point is, Sn!pe can't talk high-and-mighty about me, 
> >> >>>>> a Linux user.
> >
> >[FTAOD, what follows is addressed to Joel]  
> >
> >Excuse me, I wasn't talking high and mighty about you as a Linux user
> >even though I happen to prefer macOS; I was criticising your behaviour
> >as a Usenet user.
> 
> 
> You don't believe I'm Jesus, we know.
> 
> 
> >> >>>>A Linux user would need additional accolades to be high-and-mighty.
> >> >>>>I'm only 5'10" but I'm somewhat strong.
> >> >>>>Tough to be everything at once.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Sn!pe gives me no reason to believe she uses the command line.
> >
> >Please!  Upon what grounds do you impute my sex, you person of
> >distinctly ambiguous gender?  That is completely irrelevant, merely
> >gratuitously offensive. 
> 
> 
> I thought I remembered you being female, I admit I don't know quite
> where that's from.
> 

I was going to leave this but, glutton for punishment that i am:  
misgendering is considered unforgiveable among some sections 
of society.  It seems that some of those think it's permissible.

> 
> >> >>I used vim to type this.
> >> >>It's up to the "user" to "use" what works for them.
> >> >>That's real equality.
> >> >
> >> > I'm using Forte Agent under Wine, but you see, that's for Usenet,
> >> > I'm not living in 1987, or something.  There are things I have on my
> >> > system that Debian doesn't just hand you on a silver platter. 
> >> > Whereas Sn!pe uses MacSOUP FFS.
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >In what way does my fondness for my antediluvian News reader 
> >make me inferior, if you please?
> 
> 
> You're using an OS released in 2017.  On Intel.  And it's Apple. 
> Just tacky.
> 

OMG, I feel so inferior.  I wasn't going to rise to this but WTH, 
I haven't anything better to do this evening other than watch TV, 
so it's willy-waving time:  

My daily driver is a 2021 16" MacBook Pro M1 Max running macOS 
Sequoia 15.3.2, the latest revision and fully updated.  I'll leave the
full spec. out of this as it would be unseemly to brag but it's 64 bit
only.

Yes, I use a legacy machine; it's a 2009 iMac which I keep because some
of my legacy software (including the last revision of MacSOUP and my
printer driver) requires a 32 bit machine.  It runs macOS High Sierra
10.13.6, fully updated, the last revision it can handle.  I VNC into it
with Mac 'Screen Sharing' from my MBP.

I started on Usenet in 1994 with KA9Q under MS DOS; it's 'command line'
s/w.  Then I used Trumpet Winsock and later FortΓ© (Free) Agent v. 0.37a
when it first saw the light of day.  I bought a license for Agent when
it came out of beta; it dates from ~1997, not 1987

I could give you my entire PC history from MS DOS 2.4 in 1984 via 
'Doze 3.0 to NT4, then Mandrake Linux for several years before I saw the
light, put away my screwdrivers and switched to macOS 10.3 "Panther".
I've stuck with Macs ever since; they just *work*, you know?

I could go on but it would be even boring than the above.

> 
> >In my strictly personal view:  you, Mr "Internet Presence" are plainly
> >and simply a risible poseur.  You are a habitual hijacker of technical
> >threads in a technical newsgroup for self-aggrandisement and promotion
> >of your own alternative sexual practices.  You have a greatly overblown,
> >hubristic, opinion of your own worth and you're downright pompous.
> >
> >Apart from that, you're a jolly fine fellow, well done.  
> >
> >I've said my piece, now please feel free to have the last word.
> >
> 
> It's Usenet, heh.
>

Yes, and you're a philistine who neither cares nor bothers to treat
Usenet with respect.  Please note:  I haven't stooped to calling you a
'clueless newbie' because that would be offensive.

-- 
^Ï^.      Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS        My pet rock Gordon just is.

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#193874

FromCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
Date2025-03-24 08:53 -0400
Message-ID<qBcEP.43084$5e_1.15637@fx33.iad>
In reply to#193872
On 2025-03-23 18:34, Sn!pe wrote:
> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>>
>>> User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.8.6b1 (ed136d9b90) (Mac OS 10.13.6)
>>>
>>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> He's [JWC is] more like scabies:
>>>>>>>>>>>> really irritating and difficult to get rid of.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> OK, Mac user.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You might have as well said "air breather".
>>>>>>>>>> If you need assistance with insults, I can help.
>>>>>>>>>> Can and will aren't equal.
>>>>>>>>>> I think your nym as "Buffy" would be more insightful.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The point is, Sn!pe can't talk high-and-mighty about me,
>>>>>>>>> a Linux user.
>>>
>>> [FTAOD, what follows is addressed to Joel]
>>>
>>> Excuse me, I wasn't talking high and mighty about you as a Linux user
>>> even though I happen to prefer macOS; I was criticising your behaviour
>>> as a Usenet user.
>>
>>
>> You don't believe I'm Jesus, we know.
>>
>>
>>>>>>>> A Linux user would need additional accolades to be high-and-mighty.
>>>>>>>> I'm only 5'10" but I'm somewhat strong.
>>>>>>>> Tough to be everything at once.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sn!pe gives me no reason to believe she uses the command line.
>>>
>>> Please!  Upon what grounds do you impute my sex, you person of
>>> distinctly ambiguous gender?  That is completely irrelevant, merely
>>> gratuitously offensive.
>>
>>
>> I thought I remembered you being female, I admit I don't know quite
>> where that's from.
>>
> 
> I was going to leave this but, glutton for punishment that i am:
> misgendering is considered unforgiveable among some sections
> of society.  It seems that some of those think it's permissible.
> 
>>
>>>>>> I used vim to type this.
>>>>>> It's up to the "user" to "use" what works for them.
>>>>>> That's real equality.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm using Forte Agent under Wine, but you see, that's for Usenet,
>>>>> I'm not living in 1987, or something.  There are things I have on my
>>>>> system that Debian doesn't just hand you on a silver platter.
>>>>> Whereas Sn!pe uses MacSOUP FFS.
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> In what way does my fondness for my antediluvian News reader
>>> make me inferior, if you please?
>>
>>
>> You're using an OS released in 2017.  On Intel.  And it's Apple.
>> Just tacky.
>>
> 
> OMG, I feel so inferior.  I wasn't going to rise to this but WTH,
> I haven't anything better to do this evening other than watch TV,
> so it's willy-waving time:
> 
> My daily driver is a 2021 16" MacBook Pro M1 Max running macOS
> Sequoia 15.3.2, the latest revision and fully updated.  I'll leave the
> full spec. out of this as it would be unseemly to brag but it's 64 bit
> only.
> 
> Yes, I use a legacy machine; it's a 2009 iMac which I keep because some
> of my legacy software (including the last revision of MacSOUP and my
> printer driver) requires a 32 bit machine.  It runs macOS High Sierra
> 10.13.6, fully updated, the last revision it can handle.  I VNC into it
> with Mac 'Screen Sharing' from my MBP.
> 
> I started on Usenet in 1994 with KA9Q under MS DOS; it's 'command line'
> s/w.  Then I used Trumpet Winsock and later FortΓ© (Free) Agent v. 0.37a
> when it first saw the light of day.  I bought a license for Agent when
> it came out of beta; it dates from ~1997, not 1987
> 
> I could give you my entire PC history from MS DOS 2.4 in 1984 via
> 'Doze 3.0 to NT4, then Mandrake Linux for several years before I saw the
> light, put away my screwdrivers and switched to macOS 10.3 "Panther".
> I've stuck with Macs ever since; they just *work*, you know?
> 
> I could go on but it would be even boring than the above.

I recall having a Mac running X.1.5 and then x.2 at a time when decent 
browsers for that operating system didn't exist. It was Internet 
Explorer or some independent browser whose name I can't remember. 
Eventually, Apple released Safari and made things a little better. I 
don't believe that even Firefox was around at the time. This was 
definitely a period when the Mac didn't "just work."

< snip >


-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#193876

Fromsnipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)
Date2025-03-24 13:39 +0000
Message-ID<1r9pc5n.1mzsgr91x9g7erN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>
In reply to#193874
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

[I wrote]
> > I could give you my entire PC history from MS DOS 2.4 in 1984 via 'Doze
> > 3.0 to NT4, then Mandrake Linux for several years before I saw the
> > light, put away my screwdrivers and switched to macOS 10.3 "Panther".
> > I've stuck with Macs ever since; they just *work*, you know?
> > 
> > I could go on but it would be even boring than the above.
> >
>
> I recall having a Mac running X.1.5 and then x.2 at a time when decent
> browsers for that operating system didn't exist. It was Internet 
> Explorer or some independent browser whose name I can't remember. 
> Eventually, Apple released Safari and made things a little better. I 
> don't believe that even Firefox was around at the time. This was 
> definitely a period when the Mac didn't "just work."
>

I can't speak to that, I began with Macs at OS X 10.3 "Panther". 
I had no difficulties with that at all.  

I suppose you might equate Mac OS X 10.1 and 10.2 with 
Windoze 1 and 2.  I imagine that you will remember what 
early 'Doze was like. . . 

What was early Linux like?

-- 
^Ï^.      Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS        My pet rock Gordon just is.

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#193877

FromCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
Date2025-03-24 10:48 -0400
Message-ID<aheEP.92898$W1a6.76432@fx04.iad>
In reply to#193876
On 2025-03-24 09:39, Sn!pe wrote:
> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> 
> [I wrote]
>>> I could give you my entire PC history from MS DOS 2.4 in 1984 via 'Doze
>>> 3.0 to NT4, then Mandrake Linux for several years before I saw the
>>> light, put away my screwdrivers and switched to macOS 10.3 "Panther".
>>> I've stuck with Macs ever since; they just *work*, you know?
>>>
>>> I could go on but it would be even boring than the above.
>>>
>>
>> I recall having a Mac running X.1.5 and then x.2 at a time when decent
>> browsers for that operating system didn't exist. It was Internet
>> Explorer or some independent browser whose name I can't remember.
>> Eventually, Apple released Safari and made things a little better. I
>> don't believe that even Firefox was around at the time. This was
>> definitely a period when the Mac didn't "just work."
>>
> 
> I can't speak to that, I began with Macs at OS X 10.3 "Panther".
> I had no difficulties with that at all.
> 
> I suppose you might equate Mac OS X 10.1 and 10.2 with
> Windoze 1 and 2.  I imagine that you will remember what
> early 'Doze was like. . .
> 
> What was early Linux like?

I started with 10.1.5, so I couldn't really tell you if earlier versions 
were as slow as people claimed. However, on the machine I used, a g3 
600MHz iBook, MacOS 9.2.2 was definitely a lot more fun to use than OS 
X. It was too bad that it wasn't getting updates anymore. I just recall 
struggling to find a browser which supported all of what most websites 
used whether it was Java or some other technology. It was truly 
miserable until Safari came out. I don't recall whether Firefox came out 
before or after, but I was definitely not aware of its existence until I 
moved back to PCs later.

As for early Linux, I can only tell you what it was like when I 
installed Slackware through floppies at the very beginning. I only had 
an old IBM PS/1 monitor to use it, so I couldn't get into the GUI at all 
since I didn't know the vertical or horizontal refresh rates for that 
piece of crap. When I went back to Linux around 1998, things were much 
better but there was no built-in PPPoE software to connect to my ISP at 
the time. If you didn't happen to have rp-pppoe lying around on a 
floppy, you were screwed. I also recall that I found KDE a lot better 
than the rest of the GUIs at the time, but I still found it fairly 
clunky. Windows 95/98 wasn't great, but it was at least better than what 
Linux was offering for environments. I mostly ignored Linux after that 
since Windows 2000 and XP were stellar, though I vowed to only use Linux 
once the first Ubuntu released. It was definitely better than every 
other Linux available at the time, but it still didn't feel like a 
complete replacement for Windows.

I imagine that you don't really care about the history I just wrote 
about above, but it felt good to write about it. My biggest memory was 
how open-source, AbiWord to be exact, saved my ass when I needed 
something to write a university paper.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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