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| Started by | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2025-03-18 18:12 -0400 |
| Last post | 2025-03-26 11:09 +1300 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 231 — 20 participants |
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Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-18 18:12 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-20 09:14 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 12:23 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 13:44 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 13:43 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 19:50 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Mikey <Mikey.Smith@aol.invalid> - 2025-03-21 15:00 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-21 19:59 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 16:45 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 12:26 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 23:53 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 20:00 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-21 20:27 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-22 00:45 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 19:57 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 21:49 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-21 22:29 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 16:29 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 19:59 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 20:14 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 20:29 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 01:59 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-22 04:54 -0500
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 09:22 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-22 19:16 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 07:40 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-20 14:26 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 17:58 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-20 15:52 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 20:48 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 12:31 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-21 16:47 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 13:00 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 12:29 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-21 12:40 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 15:56 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-21 22:27 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 16:36 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 14:04 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 17:52 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-22 19:18 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 19:23 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 19:17 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 08:18 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-23 12:21 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:00 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 18:06 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:17 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 18:22 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:35 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 18:41 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:54 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:11 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-23 21:05 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:22 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 17:31 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-23 22:34 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 08:53 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 13:39 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 10:48 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 19:59 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 17:47 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 23:12 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:36 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:42 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 18:57 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 23:20 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:38 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:46 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-25 00:59 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 18:17 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-25 01:30 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:58 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:44 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 22:52 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:16 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:24 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:40 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:45 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:48 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:02 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 21:10 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:26 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-04-09 18:40 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-09 11:51 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-10 10:07 +1200
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-09 18:16 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-10 19:48 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:08 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 18:14 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 19:29 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:46 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:09 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-25 06:24 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 02:31 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-23 12:20 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:13 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-23 15:39 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 15:52 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:58 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 16:11 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 22:12 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-23 16:02 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 16:09 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 20:25 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 16:34 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:43 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-03-24 09:09 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-03-24 20:10 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 18:33 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:51 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:06 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 15:26 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:33 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:44 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:11 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:47 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:11 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 18:13 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:57 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:43 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 22:54 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:15 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:22 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:36 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:43 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:49 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:09 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 21:11 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:29 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Rudy Canoza <rc@j.kone.invalid> - 2025-03-25 02:32 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 02:41 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 18:27 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 16:55 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 20:08 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 17:10 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 20:21 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 23:11 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 02:50 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-05 16:06 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 16:17 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-04-05 20:42 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 07:42 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 08:07 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 15:44 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 12:46 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 15:59 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 13:11 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-07 08:57 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-05 15:49 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 16:16 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-06 01:26 +0000
Re: π³οΈβπApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπ³οΈβπ πππ»πΊπΉπ»ππ·πΊπJenπππ»πΊπΉπ»ππ·πΊπ Dershmendenderer ππ»πΊπΉπ»ππ·πΊπΆη¬πππ»πΊπΉπ»ππ·πΊπ <root@127.0.0.1> - 2025-04-06 03:18 +0000
Re: π³οΈβπApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπ³οΈβπ vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-06 03:35 +0000
Re: π³οΈβπApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπ³οΈβπ vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-06 04:31 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 19:17 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-23 03:15 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-23 18:01 +1300
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-23 18:08 +1300
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-23 05:37 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:45 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 23:33 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:46 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:13 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:47 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-25 00:52 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:59 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:48 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:43 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 22:28 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:44 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 08:43 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 08:48 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 08:12 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 04:20 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 18:48 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 14:54 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-25 17:24 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 20:33 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-25 18:03 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 21:19 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 07:40 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-26 08:36 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 20:15 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-27 10:05 +1300
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 17:43 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-26 19:05 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 19:17 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-27 02:25 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 19:49 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-27 03:30 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 11:57 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 20:15 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 16:18 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 07:45 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-27 08:41 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 12:20 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 00:44 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 21:20 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-27 18:26 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 21:53 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-27 22:42 -0700
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-28 01:45 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-28 07:50 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 02:08 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 22:16 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 12:06 -0400
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 18:11 +0000
Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 00:43 +0000
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-05 16:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <0v33vj9lsaahl091buno1accq7rn1nm16r@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #194107 |
Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: >In other words, the Linux kernel virtual memory manager knows better than you. What he said. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> |
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| Date | 2025-04-05 20:42 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <xxxxxx-2B97EF.20420505042025@news.supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #194088 |
In article <b1t0vj53njfgitf5ntdl8ssvv4e40vlli9@4ax.com>, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > > >>>> https://i.imgur.com/bNZVr8U.png > >>> > >>> You've just shown that you DO NOT need 32GB of RAM... > >>> > >>> (and that Linux isn't smart enough to count RAM in base-2). > >> > >> https://i.imgur.com/4jItMI0.png > >> > >> As you can see, today, I have puked out a little into swap. > > > >Dude: give it up. > > > >You've got 33.5 decimal gigabytes of RAM. > > > >19.2GB is in use with the other 14.3GB used for cache. > > > >And 3.7MB... > > > >...one HUNDREDTH of one percent of it... > > > >...is swapped out... > > > >...and you think that's a solid argument? > > > >Linux has 14.3GB used for caching and for some reason chooses to swap a > >tiny, TINY fraction of data rather than use a little less for cache... > > > >...and you think you're proving something good? > > > So let me get this straight, your argument is that cache isn't > actually needed? Correct. Cache is not actually NEEDED. Yes, it is VERY nice to have spare RAM to use as system cache. But if you were really using all of your RAM for applications, there would be very little cache. Or maybe even no cache at all. Cache is the first thing to go when YOU need more RAM, for whatever reason. When you finish editing your 3 hour, 4K movie there will again be free RAM and various things will be cached again. If you had 48GB of RAM, you will initially have an even bigger system cache. Unused RAM is wasted RAM, so the system will cache everything it can. That is, until YOU need it for whatever. For example. This 32GB Mac currently has 15GB used and 17GB in cache. No swap at all. I started up VMware to run Windows, which has 10GB assigned to Windows. As expected, I now have 25GB used and 7GB in cache. Still no swap used at all. That is exactly how RAM/cache/swap is supposed to work. Cache everything possible, but release it when it is needed by the user. So, the fact that you are using 19GB and have 14GB in cache means YOU are not "using all the RAM". The system IS using all the RAM, and that is a good thing. But YOU have 14GB of RAM that YOU are not using.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-06 07:42 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <p0q4vjhklek57l8jbkcaq530qkt0m8toct@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #194110 |
Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> wrote: >In article <b1t0vj53njfgitf5ntdl8ssvv4e40vlli9@4ax.com>, > Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: >> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >> >> >>>> https://i.imgur.com/bNZVr8U.png >> >>> >> >>> You've just shown that you DO NOT need 32GB of RAM... >> >>> >> >>> (and that Linux isn't smart enough to count RAM in base-2). >> >> >> >> https://i.imgur.com/4jItMI0.png >> >> >> >> As you can see, today, I have puked out a little into swap. >> > >> >Dude: give it up. >> > >> >You've got 33.5 decimal gigabytes of RAM. >> > >> >19.2GB is in use with the other 14.3GB used for cache. >> > >> >And 3.7MB... >> > >> >...one HUNDREDTH of one percent of it... >> > >> >...is swapped out... >> > >> >...and you think that's a solid argument? >> > >> >Linux has 14.3GB used for caching and for some reason chooses to swap a >> >tiny, TINY fraction of data rather than use a little less for cache... >> > >> >...and you think you're proving something good? >> >> So let me get this straight, your argument is that cache isn't >> actually needed? > >Correct. Cache is not actually NEEDED. > >Yes, it is VERY nice to have spare RAM to use as system cache. But if >you were really using all of your RAM for applications, there would be >very little cache. Or maybe even no cache at all. > >Cache is the first thing to go when YOU need more RAM, for whatever >reason. When you finish editing your 3 hour, 4K movie there will again >be free RAM and various things will be cached again. > >If you had 48GB of RAM, you will initially have an even bigger system >cache. Unused RAM is wasted RAM, so the system will cache everything >it can. > >That is, until YOU need it for whatever. > >For example. This 32GB Mac currently has 15GB used and 17GB in cache. >No swap at all. I started up VMware to run Windows, which has 10GB >assigned to Windows. As expected, I now have 25GB used and 7GB in >cache. Still no swap used at all. > >That is exactly how RAM/cache/swap is supposed to work. Cache >everything possible, but release it when it is needed by the user. > >So, the fact that you are using 19GB and have 14GB in cache means YOU >are not "using all the RAM". The system IS using all the RAM, and that >is a good thing. But YOU have 14GB of RAM that YOU are not using. Clearly, though, what I have makes my system more responsive, well worth the meager investment in the RAM. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | % <pursent100@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-06 08:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <GBKdnR8BRps_BW_6nZ2dnZfqn_UAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #194129 |
Joel wrote: > Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> wrote: >> In article <b1t0vj53njfgitf5ntdl8ssvv4e40vlli9@4ax.com>, >> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/bNZVr8U.png >>>>>> >>>>>> You've just shown that you DO NOT need 32GB of RAM... >>>>>> >>>>>> (and that Linux isn't smart enough to count RAM in base-2). >>>>> >>>>> https://i.imgur.com/4jItMI0.png >>>>> >>>>> As you can see, today, I have puked out a little into swap. >>>> >>>> Dude: give it up. >>>> >>>> You've got 33.5 decimal gigabytes of RAM. >>>> >>>> 19.2GB is in use with the other 14.3GB used for cache. >>>> >>>> And 3.7MB... >>>> >>>> ...one HUNDREDTH of one percent of it... >>>> >>>> ...is swapped out... >>>> >>>> ...and you think that's a solid argument? >>>> >>>> Linux has 14.3GB used for caching and for some reason chooses to swap a >>>> tiny, TINY fraction of data rather than use a little less for cache... >>>> >>>> ...and you think you're proving something good? >>> >>> So let me get this straight, your argument is that cache isn't >>> actually needed? >> >> Correct. Cache is not actually NEEDED. >> >> Yes, it is VERY nice to have spare RAM to use as system cache. But if >> you were really using all of your RAM for applications, there would be >> very little cache. Or maybe even no cache at all. >> >> Cache is the first thing to go when YOU need more RAM, for whatever >> reason. When you finish editing your 3 hour, 4K movie there will again >> be free RAM and various things will be cached again. >> >> If you had 48GB of RAM, you will initially have an even bigger system >> cache. Unused RAM is wasted RAM, so the system will cache everything >> it can. >> >> That is, until YOU need it for whatever. >> >> For example. This 32GB Mac currently has 15GB used and 17GB in cache. >> No swap at all. I started up VMware to run Windows, which has 10GB >> assigned to Windows. As expected, I now have 25GB used and 7GB in >> cache. Still no swap used at all. >> >> That is exactly how RAM/cache/swap is supposed to work. Cache >> everything possible, but release it when it is needed by the user. >> >> So, the fact that you are using 19GB and have 14GB in cache means YOU >> are not "using all the RAM". The system IS using all the RAM, and that >> is a good thing. But YOU have 14GB of RAM that YOU are not using. > > > Clearly, though, what I have makes my system more responsive, well > worth the meager investment in the RAM. > and what will you do with this great creation
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-06 15:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <2bm5vjpukdujatkqls33lif0qkoj5mlie7@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #194137 |
% <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote: >> Clearly, though, what I have makes my system more responsive, well >> worth the meager investment in the RAM. >> >and what will you do with this great creation Mostly staring at YouTube for hours. Just kidding, I really do use my box for all it's worth. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | % <pursent100@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-06 12:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <LnednfvIR8q8R2_6nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #194142 |
Joel wrote: > % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> Clearly, though, what I have makes my system more responsive, well >>> worth the meager investment in the RAM. >>> >> and what will you do with this great creation > > > Mostly staring at YouTube for hours. > > Just kidding, I really do use my box for all it's worth. > like what
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-06 15:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <p3n5vjl6ihj8d8r4mg7svk8jqoucl3ein6@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #194143 |
% <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Clearly, though, what I have makes my system more responsive, well >>>> worth the meager investment in the RAM. >>>> >>> and what will you do with this great creation >> >> Mostly staring at YouTube for hours. >> >> Just kidding, I really do use my box for all it's worth. >> >like what This is what is running (Cinnamon under Debian): https://i.imgur.com/Ljduh8T.png -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | % <pursent100@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-06 13:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <LB2dndE-o4tzQm_6nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #194144 |
Joel wrote: > % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> Clearly, though, what I have makes my system more responsive, well >>>>> worth the meager investment in the RAM. >>>>> >>>> and what will you do with this great creation >>> >>> Mostly staring at YouTube for hours. >>> >>> Just kidding, I really do use my box for all it's worth. >>> >> like what > > > This is what is running (Cinnamon under Debian): > https://i.imgur.com/Ljduh8T.png > it showed me lots of imigir or whatever its called , with a place to learn how to make my own , i can already do that without linux
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2025-04-07 08:57 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <%YPIP.123007$D41.79086@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #194137 |
On 2025-04-06 11:07, % wrote: > Joel wrote: >> Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> wrote: >>> In article <b1t0vj53njfgitf5ntdl8ssvv4e40vlli9@4ax.com>, >>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/bNZVr8U.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You've just shown that you DO NOT need 32GB of RAM... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (and that Linux isn't smart enough to count RAM in base-2). >>>>>> >>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/4jItMI0.png >>>>>> >>>>>> As you can see, today, I have puked out a little into swap. >>>>> >>>>> Dude: give it up. >>>>> >>>>> You've got 33.5 decimal gigabytes of RAM. >>>>> >>>>> 19.2GB is in use with the other 14.3GB used for cache. >>>>> >>>>> And 3.7MB... >>>>> >>>>> ...one HUNDREDTH of one percent of it... >>>>> >>>>> ...is swapped out... >>>>> >>>>> ...and you think that's a solid argument? >>>>> >>>>> Linux has 14.3GB used for caching and for some reason chooses to >>>>> swap a >>>>> tiny, TINY fraction of data rather than use a little less for cache... >>>>> >>>>> ...and you think you're proving something good? >>>> >>>> So let me get this straight, your argument is that cache isn't >>>> actually needed? >>> >>> Correct.Β Cache is not actually NEEDED. >>> >>> Yes, it is VERY nice to have spare RAM to use as system cache.Β But if >>> you were really using all of your RAM for applications, there would be >>> very little cache.Β Β Or maybe even no cache at all. >>> >>> Cache is the first thing to go when YOU need more RAM, for whatever >>> reason.Β Β When you finish editing your 3 hour, 4K movie there will again >>> be free RAM and various things will be cached again. >>> >>> If you had 48GB of RAM, you will initially have an even bigger system >>> cache.Β Β Unused RAM is wasted RAM, so the system will cache everything >>> it can. >>> >>> That is, until YOU need it for whatever. >>> >>> For example.Β Β This 32GB Mac currently has 15GB used and 17GB in cache. >>> No swap at all.Β Β I started up VMware to run Windows, which has 10GB >>> assigned to Windows.Β Β As expected, I now have 25GB used and 7GB in >>> cache.Β Still no swap used at all. >>> >>> That is exactly how RAM/cache/swap is supposed to work.Β Β Cache >>> everything possible, but release it when it is needed by the user. >>> >>> So, the fact that you are using 19GB and have 14GB in cache means YOU >>> are not "using all the RAM".Β Β The system IS using all the RAM, and that >>> is a good thing.Β But YOU have 14GB of RAM that YOU are not using. >> >> >> Clearly, though, what I have makes my system more responsive, well >> worth the meager investment in the RAM. >> > and what will you do with this great creation Use artificial intelligence to produce nude images of "girl cock." -- God be with you, CrudeSausage John 14:6
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2025-04-05 15:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <vss1fe$32bre$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #193922 |
Alan wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
> On 2025-03-24 19:54, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> have used a hair of swap, with 32 GB, it happens after a while of
>>>>>>>> running the computer and using things that use RAM.
>>>>>>> So show it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why? What do I need to prove I'm telling you the truth about such a
>>>>>> simple matter?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because it's easy, and if you could show it, you would.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not showing it makes you look like a liar.
>>>>
>>>> Do you think my collection of concurrently running apps would not use
>>>> any RAM, or something?
>>>
>>> I think you could show us...
>>>
>>> ...if you didn't have something to hide.
>>
>> https://i.imgur.com/bNZVr8U.png
>
> You've just shown that you DO NOT need 32GB of RAM...
>
> (and that Linux isn't smart enough to count RAM in base-2).
:-D
That's not "Linux", that's just one GUI tool to measure RAM. For example,
from "man free":
free [options]
OPTIONS
-b, --bytes
Display the amount of memory in bytes.
-k, --kibi
Display the amount of memory in kibibytes. This is the default.
-m, --mebi
Display the amount of memory in mebibytes.
-g, --gibi
Display the amount of memory in gibibytes.
--tebi Display the amount of memory in tebibytes.
--pebi Display the amount of memory in pebibytes.
--kilo Display the amount of memory in kilobytes. Implies --si.
--mega Display the amount of memory in megabytes. Implies --si.
--giga Display the amount of memory in gigabytes. Implies --si.
--tera Display the amount of memory in terabytes. Implies --si.
--peta Display the amount of memory in petabytes. Implies --si.
-h, --human
Show all output fields automatically scaled to shortest three digit
unit and display the units of print out. Following units are used.
B = bytes
Ki = kibibyte
Mi = mebibyte
Gi = gibibyte
Ti = tebibyte
Pi = pebibyte
The "top" command (to show memory usage by process) has similar options.
--
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By April 1970 Mrs. Miriam Hargrave had failed her test thirty-nine
times. In the eight preceding years she had received two hundred and
twelve driving lessons at a cost of L300. She set the new record while
driving triumphantly through a set of red traffic lights in Wakefield,
Yorkshire. Disappointingly, she passed at the fortieth attempt (3 August
1970) but eight years later she showed some of her old magic when she was
reported as saying that she still didn't like doing right-hand turns.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-05 16:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <4n33vjlr9kj9922n8ni24tuignun80b0ub@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #194106 |
Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: >Alan wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: >> >> [...] Linux isn't smart enough to count RAM in base-2). > >:-D > >That's not "Linux", that's just one GUI tool to measure RAM. For example, >from "man free": > > free [options] > > OPTIONS > -b, --bytes > Display the amount of memory in bytes. > -k, --kibi > Display the amount of memory in kibibytes. This is the default. > -m, --mebi > Display the amount of memory in mebibytes. > -g, --gibi > Display the amount of memory in gibibytes. > > --tebi Display the amount of memory in tebibytes. > --pebi Display the amount of memory in pebibytes. > --kilo Display the amount of memory in kilobytes. Implies --si. > --mega Display the amount of memory in megabytes. Implies --si. > --giga Display the amount of memory in gigabytes. Implies --si. > --tera Display the amount of memory in terabytes. Implies --si. > --peta Display the amount of memory in petabytes. Implies --si. > -h, --human > Show all output fields automatically scaled to shortest three digit > unit and display the units of print out. Following units are used. > > B = bytes > Ki = kibibyte > Mi = mebibyte > Gi = gibibyte > Ti = tebibyte > Pi = pebibyte > >The "top" command (to show memory usage by process) has similar options. But Alan can just let Apple think for him, no need to explain, zzz. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-04-06 01:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m5e3j1F6lroU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #194108 |
On Sat, 05 Apr 2025 16:16:28 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in <4n33vjlr9kj9922n8ni24tuignun80b0ub@4ax.com>: > Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: >>Alan wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: >>> >>> [...] Linux isn't smart enough to count RAM in base-2). >> >>:-D >> >>That's not "Linux", that's just one GUI tool to measure RAM. For >>example, >>from "man free": >> >> free [options] >> >> OPTIONS >> -b, --bytes >> Display the amount of memory in bytes. >> -k, --kibi >> Display the amount of memory in kibibytes. This is the >> default. >> -m, --mebi >> Display the amount of memory in mebibytes. >> -g, --gibi >> Display the amount of memory in gibibytes. >> >> --tebi Display the amount of memory in tebibytes. >> --pebi Display the amount of memory in pebibytes. >> --kilo Display the amount of memory in kilobytes. Implies --si. >> --mega Display the amount of memory in megabytes. Implies --si. >> --giga Display the amount of memory in gigabytes. Implies --si. >> --tera Display the amount of memory in terabytes. Implies --si. >> --peta Display the amount of memory in petabytes. Implies --si. >> -h, --human >> Show all output fields automatically scaled to shortest >> three digit unit and display the units of print out. >> Following units are used. >> >> B = bytes Ki = kibibyte Mi = mebibyte Gi = gibibyte Ti = >> tebibyte Pi = pebibyte >> >>The "top" command (to show memory usage by process) has similar options. > > > But Alan can just let Apple think for him, no need to explain, zzz. Mac:~ vallor$ uname -a Darwin Mac 24.3.0 Darwin Kernel Version 24.3.0: Thu Jan 2 20:24:23 PST 2025; root:xnu-11215.81.4~3/RELEASE_ARM64_T6020 arm64 Mac:~ vallor$ free -bash: free: command not found Huhu, okay. How do you do that on a Mac? -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.14.0 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G "... "I'll be Bach." - Johann Sebastian Schwarzenegger"
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On 6 Apr 2025 01:26:57 GMT, LO AND BEHOLD; vallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
determined that the following was of great importance to vallor
<vallor@cultnix.org> and subsequently decided to freely share it with
us in <m5e3j1F6lroU1@mid.individual.net>:
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= On Sat, 05 Apr 2025 16:16:28 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= <4n33vjlr9kj9922n8ni24tuignun80b0ub@4ax.com>:
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Alan wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= [...] Linux isn't smart enough to count RAM in base-2).
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= :-D That's not "Linux", that's just one GUI tool to measure RAM. For
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= example, from "man free": free [options] OPTIONS -b,
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= --bytes Display the amount of memory in bytes. -k,
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= --kibi Display the amount of memory in kibibytes. This is
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= the default. -m, --mebi Display the
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= amount of memory in mebibytes. -g, --gibi Display
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= the amount of memory in gibibytes. --tebi Display the amount of
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= memory in tebibytes. --pebi Display the amount of memory in
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= pebibytes. --kilo Display the amount of memory in kilobytes.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Implies --si. --mega Display the amount of memory in megabytes.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Implies --si. --giga Display the amount of memory in gigabytes.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Implies --si. --tera Display the amount of memory in terabytes.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Implies --si. --peta Display the amount of memory in petabytes.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Implies --si. -h, --human Show all output fields
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= automatically scaled to shortest three digit unit and
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= display the units of print out. Following units are used.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= B = bytes Ki = kibibyte Mi = mebibyte Gi = gibibyte Ti =
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= tebibyte Pi = pebibyte The "top" command (to show memory
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= usage by process) has similar options.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= But Alan can just let Apple think for him, no need to explain, zzz.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Mac:~ vallor$ uname -a Darwin Mac 24.3.0 Darwin Kernel Version 24.3.0:
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Thu Jan 2 20:24:23 PST 2025; root:xnu-11215.81.4~3/RELEASE_ARM64_T6020
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= arm64 Mac:~ vallor$ free -bash: free: command not found
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Huhu, okay. How do you do that on a Mac?
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
is there /proc/meminfo ?
--
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"Claiming that I "refuse to respect pronouns" is dead wrong. I respect them with everyone but "Jen" and "their" ilk, because "they" are a phony." - Scott Doty AKA Creon AKA Vallor AKA Doc Hammerhead declares why he ironically reserves the "right" to misgender others just like his MAGA bigot cohorts are wont to in Message-ID: <l54g7pF27huU2@mid.individual.net>
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" And yet, one can still see the headers.
If you weren't so stupid, you would know how. I will try, and
likely fail, to dumb it down to your intellectual level.
To the right of the post there are three dots. Click on them. A
few options will appear. Click on "Show original message" and follow
the instructions as best your learning disability will permit.
If you still can't see the headers, there is nothing more I can
do. I cannot dumb this down any more than I have." - Kenito Wills, stupider than shit-stupid. (See: https://ibb.co/MVsRGqN)
"It's just like you to read all that, and come up a sick and clueless response like that one, totally unrelated to the point. It must get confusing to be intelligent enough to "sit at the best reading table in school," and fail to cobble together a basic understanding of what you've just read. The nasty side of you always manages to take control to guard your fragile ego, which explains why you never get along with people, and get visitors like Red Elephant who take the time and trouble to come by and embarrass you..." - <MPG.41696ec8ecc18ea4989796@usnews.blocknews.net> Jimbo responds to a yes/no question exactly as one might expect him to.
"Bullshit! You salivate over every word I write, then beg for more. Then when you realize that I've put you in another hole you can't worm your way out of... even if you did "sit at the best reading table in elementary school," YOU revert to pedo lames, because that's the best you can do. In fact, no one here has any interest in your obsession with pedo lames but you, because you're intellectually weak. In fact, you seem suspiciously obsessed with that topic. Maybe some day we'll find out why." - <MPG.4169de194a070345989798@usnews.blocknews.net> No Jim, I am not "obsessed" with what you did and concealed and continue to backpedal from.
https://groups.google.com/g/misc.legal/c/6FaoS9bawDI/m/Wdupq7BHaSkJ
"I've spoken against CPS many times. That I realize that they were 100% correct in regards to you doesn't mean I'm pro-CPS." - Kent Wills doesn't like Child Protection Services getting in his way of abusing children.
https://groups.google.com/g/misc.legal/c/AmluvRraNjg/m/gufYNdgK3E8J
"Greg has made it very clear he likes little girls. And not in a sexually healthy way." - Kent Wills believes that there's a "sexually healthy" way to be a pedophile.
"I'm actually glad it's out in the open now, it's a lot of weight to bear. Some will graciously accept that, and some probably won't. It makes it real easy to know who's worth regarding as a friend. Those few remaining haters hide behind socks... I wonder why?" - Checkmate AKA Auntie Tranny <youdaman@betamail.corn> AKA "Rick Sabian" AKA "Morphing Fuckwit" AKA "automatic tranny" AKA "jen der queer" AKA "livelong@and.prosper" AKA "FOAD <foad@grnail.corn>" AKA "Destiny <faghaitur@bucket.list>" AKA "DAVID KEETING <Squiggles@ass.worm>" AKA "f4c3411 <f3c4L@f37l5h.corn>" AKA "<"Hunter's Dildo <RumPPumPPa@uPPa.yOOaSS>" >" AKA "Mustafa Sheboygan" AKA "Peter, the Booty Judge" <root@127.0.0.1> AKA "Mund Harmonika <root@127.0.0.1>" AKA "Mundharmonika <root@127.0.0.1>" AKA "% <%@hotmale.com>" AKA "Checkmate <trouble@soon.corn>" AKA "Mundharmonika <R00T@MOUTH.ORGAN>" AKA "Mundharmonika <R00T@127.O.O.1>" AKA "Tard Wrangler <youknowit@alphamale.corn>" hates when people hate pedo rapists. He wants friends who like pedo rapists. Write that down and don't forget it! <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.checkmate/c/2VcCBNwMdeo/m/A0wpvxZRAAAJ>
"I think we should destroy every last fucking mosque in America." - "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> proves for us that white males are violent in Message-ID: <MPG.32c5bfefd18c9a698f0a8@news.altopia.com>
"Yeah, but you think everybody's Greg. There are a couple people here who can't resist responding to everything the aSSwurm or the Pussy Willow says. It does me no good to plonk aSSwurm and Pussy Willow if I still have to wade through a hundred inane posts a day involving those two assholes, so now I've plonked the chronic responders as well. They'll figure it out, and then they can make a choice... exchange stupid drivel with those two, or have more intelligent and interesting conversations with me. I know damned well Greg got sick of all that shit, and now I'm sick of it too. Those who choose to get led around by the lowest common denominator are fucking up AC and every other group they play that game in. If that's the kind of Usenet they want, they can wallow in the same slop as the two retards elsewhere, because they're only contributing to fucking this group up too. I can take or leave this shit, because I have plenty to keep me occupied with my room addition project, and it's a hell of a lot more rewarding than exchanging baby talk with the likes of the aSSwurm. May his fucking worthless AIDS-infested carcass drop fucking dead ASAP and quit wasting oxygen. To sum it up, talk to those two idiots elsewhere, or they'll probably be the only people left to talk to here." One can only presume that Jim and Creon/Vallor have solved this problem and are together in a private chat "having more intelligent and interesting conversations" instead of these "Civil" calls for shunning and authoritative control of discussion. As Seen on TV : <MPG.35cd7d50e1b224b1994604@news.altopia.com>
"I'm pretty sure all gods are fictional, I'm smart enough to not proclaim I know this." - Kwills is only smart enough to doubt himself while arguing that a belief in imaginary made-up gods can't just be ignored as "mental illness" in <mo4q0j9tcqjt68s039loiacrbarihsh9i5@4ax.com>
"If you worried half as much about your own personal life as you do everyone else's, you might almost be tolerable, obsessed stalker." -James "Checkmate" Gorman, in perhaps the most ironic and mentally-challenged statement ever made on Usenet. <MPG.4001ba2c14cace6c98cb6f@usnews.blocknews.net>
"Trying to diminish others doesn't make you look any better. In fact, it does quite the opposite. Why are you always so bitter and angry? Do you have AIDS or something like so many other tranny girls do?" -James "Checkmate" Gorman in <MPG.405409befd41f28898969d@test.blocknews.net>
"You should see my archive on you" -James "Checkmate" Gorman teases us with his "dosser" in <MPG.3eea81b23145043b98c338@usnews.blocknews.net>
"Sorry, nothing to see here. The joint wasn't as bad as they say, but I'm not looking to go back. I'm a model citizen, clean as a whistle. I've owned my own home for 12 years, owned my own business almost as long, don't bother anyone and they don't bother me. You have nothing in any "police report" pertaining to me. Don't you think they would have "come a-knockin" a long time ago if they had any reason to? You're delusional and paranoid, and I have to wonder why.
Oh... I should mention that there are a LOT of trannies in prison. I don't know why, but there are. The State even has to give them hormone shots for their tiddies at taxpayer's expense, and they wear bras and panties. I found everything about them revolting. That's why the whole "Bubba" thing is almost completely a myth, except in cell living. That shit wouldn't fly in a 100-man dorm, but trust me, those little trollops find ways to serve the willing when the lights go out. You see something, you keep your mouth shut about it because that way you don't get in a wreck. I never partook in such activities because the whole idea is just repulsive. I think that's a big part of what I don't like about you. I've seen how they act and I've talked to a few... total drama queens in every sense." -James "Checkmate" Gorman reminisces about prison in <MPG.3ceb37c2eddbaff98b07a@usnews.blocknews.net>
"Not true. I've seen square waves on the oscilloscope from some certain generator. Square waves can be created from other than sine waves. Sine waves aren't everything (or anything you sick pervert %), I think that's the point you are missing. - Mathemagician "Lane Larson" in <939d6741-df96-5f2e-a444-b6dfd77de09e@stoat.inhoin.edu> seems to argue that square wave generators must use Fourier transforms "of course" to generate "almost" square waves... in his feeble attempt to quash my assertion that "square waves do not exist in reality" in post <=3D?U=3D?UTF-8?Q?T?=3DF-8?Q?=3DF0=3D9F=3D8C=3DBA?=3DKWuXdYTXCQ5ApC$@88.203.236.221=3D?U=3D?UTF-8?Q?T?=3DF-8?Q?=3DF0=3D9F=3D8C=3DBA?=3D>.
"Colour me fanboi, oh yes indeed. I'm a fanboi who is proudly content to be just that." - snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) in <1qx4ikk.c8jzw919si6cmN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>
Golden Killfile, June 2005
KOTM, November 2006
Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, November 2006
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Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006
Busted Urinal Award, April 2007
Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008
Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007
AUK Mascot, September 2007
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2025-04-06 03:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: π³οΈβπApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπ³οΈβπ |
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On Sun, 06 Apr 2025 03:18:35 +0000, πππ»πΊπΉπ»ππ·πΊπJenπππ»πΊπΉπ»π π·πΊπ Dershmendenderer ππ»πΊπΉπ»ππ·πΊπΆη¬πππ»πΊπΉπ»ππ·πΊπ <root@127.0.0.1> wrote in <=3D?U=3D?UTF-8?Q?T?=3DF-8?Q?=3DF0=3D9F=3D8C=3DBA? =3DSFYYKqFOJPpizw0@54.182.186.98=3D?U=3D?UTF-8?Q?T?=3DF-8?Q? =3DF0=3D9F=3D8C=3DBA?=3D>: > On 6 Apr 2025 01:26:57 GMT, LO AND BEHOLD; vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> > determined that the following was of great importance to vallor > <vallor@cultnix.org> and subsequently decided to freely share it with us > in <m5e3j1F6lroU1@mid.individual.net>: > > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= On Sat, 05 Apr 2025 16:16:28 -0400, > Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > <4n33vjlr9kj9922n8ni24tuignun80b0ub@4ax.com>: > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Chris > Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Alan wrote this post while blinking in > Morse code: > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= [...] > Linux isn't smart enough to count RAM in base-2). > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= :-D That's not "Linux", that's just one > GUI tool to measure RAM. For =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > example, from "man free": free [options] OPTIONS -b, > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= --bytes Display the amount > of memory in bytes. -k, =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= --kibi > Display the amount of memory in kibibytes. This is > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= the default. -m, > --mebi Display the =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= amount > of memory in mebibytes. -g, --gibi Display > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= the amount of memory in gibibytes. > --tebi Display the amount of =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= memory > in tebibytes. --pebi Display the amount of memory in > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= pebibytes. --kilo Display the > amount of memory in kilobytes. =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > Implies --si. --mega Display the amount of memory in megabytes. > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Implies --si. --giga Display the > amount of memory in gigabytes. =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > Implies --si. --tera Display the amount of memory in terabytes. > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Implies --si. --peta Display the > amount of memory in petabytes. =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > Implies --si. -h, --human Show all output fields > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= automatically scaled to shortest > three digit unit and =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > display the units of print out. Following units are used. > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= B = bytes Ki = kibibyte > Mi = mebibyte Gi = gibibyte Ti = =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > tebibyte Pi = pebibyte The "top" command (to show memory > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= usage by process) has similar options. > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= But > Alan can just let Apple think for him, no need to explain, zzz. > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Mac:~ vallor$ uname -a Darwin Mac > 24.3.0 Darwin Kernel Version 24.3.0: > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Thu Jan 2 20:24:23 PST 2025; > root:xnu-11215.81.4~3/RELEASE_ARM64_T6020 > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= arm64 Mac:~ vallor$ free -bash: free: > command not found =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Huhu, okay. How do you do that on a > Mac? > =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= > > is there /proc/meminfo ? Alas, Macs don't have /proc. Would be nice if they did, though. -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.14.0 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G "Remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else."
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-04-06 04:31 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: π³οΈβπApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπ³οΈβπ |
| Message-ID | <m5eecbF6lroU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #194115 |
On 6 Apr 2025 03:35:26 GMT, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote in
<m5eb3uF6lroU2@mid.individual.net>:
> Alas, Macs don't have /proc.
>
> Would be nice if they did, though.
This works on a Mac:
#!/usr/bin/perl
open(PS,'ps -avmxww|') || die;
$header = <PS>;
while(<PS>)
{
$line = $_;
chomp($line);
$line =~ s/^\s+//;
($pid,$stat,$t,$sl,$re,$pagein,$vsz,$rss,$rest) = split(/\s+/,$line,9);
$proc{$pid}=$line;
$rss{$pid}=$rss;
$total_rss+=$rss;
}
@sorted = sort {$rss{$a} <=> $rss{$b}} (keys %rss);
foreach $pid (@sorted)
{
print $proc{$pid},"\n";
}
printf ("Total RSS: %d pages (%d bytes)\n",$total_rss,$total_rss*1024);
exit 0;
--
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
OS: Linux 6.14.0 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G
"An unbreakable toy is useful for breaking other toys."
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-03-22 19:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vrnqva$18oag$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #193822 |
On 2025-03-22 14:52, Joel wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > >>>>> [A souped up Mac mini] would match what I have with Linux [in support of needed apps and use]. >>>> What actual tasks do you use the computer to complete? >>> >>> Keeping everything I run loaded at once. >> >> What do you run, and what resources does each use? > > > Take a look at my Cinnamon taskbar: https://i.imgur.com/yPGDm6a.png > So nothing a Mac Mini with a base configuration couldn't easily handle.
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2025-03-23 03:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m49cm2Fr960U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #193825 |
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 19:17:14 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in <vrnqva$18oag$4@dont-email.me>: > On 2025-03-22 14:52, Joel wrote: >> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >> >>>>>> [A souped up Mac mini] would match what I have with Linux [in >>>>>> support of needed apps and use]. >>>>> What actual tasks do you use the computer to complete? >>>> >>>> Keeping everything I run loaded at once. >>> >>> What do you run, and what resources does each use? >> >> >> Take a look at my Cinnamon taskbar: https://i.imgur.com/yPGDm6a.png >> >> > So nothing a Mac Mini with a base configuration couldn't easily handle. I've owned two Mac Minis -- it's notebook hardware that runs slow as molasses. We have a Mac Studio now, which was _way_ overpriced for what we got. Probably the most intensive application I've tried on it is Fooocus (which uses pyTorch), and I'd roughly estimate it is 1/4 the speed of my Linux workstation. (You might blame pyTorch for that, as perhaps it doesn't use the GPU/NPU -- but I blame Apple for not ensuring that such things are integrated immediately.) It does have acceptable performance for everything Mrs. vallor uses it for, but that's not much. Nevertheless, it's better than we saw with either of the Mac minis. (The first Mac mini we owned had a 5400RPM spinner for its main drive! Ugh.) TL;DR: The Mac Studio is a certified UNIX(r) workstation -- and has the price tag to prove it. But it doesn't chooch very well. (note addition of csma) -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.14.0-rc7 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G "Mac error message: Like, dude, something's wrong."
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-23 18:01 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <vro4ik$1krdh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #193828 |
On 2025-03-23 03:15:14 +0000, vallor said: > On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 19:17:14 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in > <vrnqva$18oag$4@dont-email.me>: > >> On 2025-03-22 14:52, Joel wrote: >>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> [A souped up Mac mini] would match what I have with Linux [in >>>>>>> support of needed apps and use]. >>>>>> What actual tasks do you use the computer to complete? >>>>> >>>>> Keeping everything I run loaded at once. >>>> >>>> What do you run, and what resources does each use? >>> >>> >>> Take a look at my Cinnamon taskbar: https://i.imgur.com/yPGDm6a.png >> >> So nothing a Mac Mini with a base configuration couldn't easily handle. > > I've owned two Mac Minis -- it's notebook hardware that runs slow as > molasses. > > We have a Mac Studio now, which was _way_ overpriced for what we got. > Probably the most intensive application I've tried on it is Fooocus > (which uses pyTorch), and I'd roughly estimate it is 1/4 the speed > of my Linux workstation. > > (You might blame pyTorch for that, as perhaps it doesn't use > the GPU/NPU -- Almost certainly. If it's an older version of PyTorch, then possibly you are running the Intel Mac version on the Mac Studio via Rosetta x86 emulation, which would be slower than running a newer Apple Silicon version. Enable the GPU on Apple Silicon Macs means making changes to the PyTorch settings, which you may already have done: <https://wiki.cci.arts.ac.uk/books/how-to-guides/page/enable-gpu-support-with-pytorch-macos> <https://medium.com/@mustafamujahid01/pytorch-for-mac-m1-m2-with-gpu-acceleration-2023-jupyter-and-vs-code-setup-for-pytorch-included-100c0d0acfe2> > but I blame Apple for not ensuring that such things are integrated > immediately.) > > It does have acceptable performance for everything Mrs. vallor uses > it for, but that's not much. Nevertheless, it's better than we > saw with either of the Mac minis. (The first Mac mini we owned > had a 5400RPM spinner for its main drive! Ugh.) > > TL;DR: The Mac Studio is a certified UNIX(r) workstation -- and has > the price tag to prove it. But it doesn't chooch very well. > > (note addition of csma)
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-23 18:08 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <vro50m$1l5nv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #193832 |
On 2025-03-23 05:01:09 +0000, Your Name said: > On 2025-03-23 03:15:14 +0000, vallor said: >> On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 19:17:14 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in >> <vrnqva$18oag$4@dont-email.me>: >> >>> On 2025-03-22 14:52, Joel wrote: >>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>> [A souped up Mac mini] would match what I have with Linux [in >>>>>>>> support of needed apps and use]. >>>>>>> What actual tasks do you use the computer to complete? >>>>>> >>>>>> Keeping everything I run loaded at once. >>>>> >>>>> What do you run, and what resources does each use? >>>> >>>> >>>> Take a look at my Cinnamon taskbar: https://i.imgur.com/yPGDm6a.png >>> >>> So nothing a Mac Mini with a base configuration couldn't easily handle. >> >> I've owned two Mac Minis -- it's notebook hardware that runs slow as >> molasses. >> >> We have a Mac Studio now, which was _way_ overpriced for what we got. >> Probably the most intensive application I've tried on it is Fooocus >> (which uses pyTorch), and I'd roughly estimate it is 1/4 the speed >> of my Linux workstation. >> >> (You might blame pyTorch for that, as perhaps it doesn't use >> the GPU/NPU -- > > Almost certainly. > > If it's an older version of PyTorch, then possibly you are running the > Intel Mac version on the Mac Studio via Rosetta x86 emulation, which > would be slower than running a newer Apple Silicon version. > > Enable the GPU on Apple Silicon Macs means making changes to the > PyTorch settings, which you may already have done: > <https://wiki.cci.arts.ac.uk/books/how-to-guides/page/enable-gpu-support-with-pytorch-macos> > > <https://medium.com/@mustafamujahid01/pytorch-for-mac-m1-m2-with-gpu-acceleration-2023-jupyter-and-vs-code-setup-for-pytorch-included-100c0d0acfe2> > Apparently there are also speed differences depending on how you installed the MacOS version of PyTorch (conda vs PyPI): <https://github.com/pytorch/pytorch/issues/2163>
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-03-23 05:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m49l0hFssvrU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #193833 |
On Sun, 23 Mar 2025 18:08:38 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote in <vro50m$1l5nv$1@dont-email.me>: > On 2025-03-23 05:01:09 +0000, Your Name said: > >> On 2025-03-23 03:15:14 +0000, vallor said: >>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 19:17:14 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in >>> <vrnqva$18oag$4@dont-email.me>: >>> >>>> On 2025-03-22 14:52, Joel wrote: >>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>>> [A souped up Mac mini] would match what I have with Linux [in >>>>>>>>> support of needed apps and use]. >>>>>>>> What actual tasks do you use the computer to complete? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Keeping everything I run loaded at once. >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you run, and what resources does each use? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Take a look at my Cinnamon taskbar: https://i.imgur.com/yPGDm6a.png >>>> >>>> So nothing a Mac Mini with a base configuration couldn't easily handle. >>> >>> I've owned two Mac Minis -- it's notebook hardware that runs slow as >>> molasses. >>> >>> We have a Mac Studio now, which was _way_ overpriced for what we got. >>> Probably the most intensive application I've tried on it is Fooocus >>> (which uses pyTorch), and I'd roughly estimate it is 1/4 the speed >>> of my Linux workstation. >>> >>> (You might blame pyTorch for that, as perhaps it doesn't use >>> the GPU/NPU -- >> >> Almost certainly. >> >> If it's an older version of PyTorch, then possibly you are running the >> Intel Mac version on the Mac Studio via Rosetta x86 emulation, which >> would be slower than running a newer Apple Silicon version. >> >> Enable the GPU on Apple Silicon Macs means making changes to the >> PyTorch settings, which you may already have done: >> <https://wiki.cci.arts.ac.uk/books/how-to-guides/page/enable-gpu-support-with-pytorch-macos> >> >> <https://medium.com/@mustafamujahid01/pytorch-for-mac-m1-m2-with-gpu-acceleration-2023-jupyter-and-vs-code-setup-for-pytorch-included-100c0d0acfe2> >> > > Apparently there are also speed differences depending on how you > installed the MacOS version of PyTorch (conda vs PyPI): > <https://github.com/pytorch/pytorch/issues/2163> Thank you! I will give that a try. -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.14.0-rc7 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G "Catalan: Local area network for Cats."
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