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Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control

Started byJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
First post2025-03-18 18:12 -0400
Last post2025-03-26 11:09 +1300
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  Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-18 18:12 -0400
    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-20 09:14 -0700
      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 12:23 -0400
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 13:44 -0400
      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 13:43 -0400
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 19:50 +0000
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Mikey <Mikey.Smith@aol.invalid> - 2025-03-21 15:00 +0000
            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-21 19:59 +0000
            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 16:45 -0400
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 12:26 -0400
            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 23:53 +0000
              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 20:00 -0400
                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-21 20:27 -0400
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-22 00:45 +0000
                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 19:57 -0400
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 21:49 -0400
                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-21 22:29 -0700
                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 16:29 -0400
                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 19:59 -0400
                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 20:14 -0400
                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 20:29 -0400
                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 01:59 +0000
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-22 04:54 -0500
                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 09:22 +0000
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-22 19:16 +0000
                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 07:40 +0000
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-20 14:26 -0700
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 17:58 -0400
            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-20 15:52 -0700
              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 20:48 -0400
                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 12:31 -0400
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-21 16:47 +0000
                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 13:00 -0400
              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 12:29 -0400
                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-21 12:40 -0700
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 15:56 -0400
                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-21 22:27 -0700
                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 16:36 -0400
                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 14:04 -0700
                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 17:52 -0400
                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-22 19:18 -0400
                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 19:23 -0400
                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 19:17 -0700
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 08:18 -0400
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-23 12:21 +0000
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:00 -0400
                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 18:06 +0000
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:17 -0400
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 18:22 +0000
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:35 -0400
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 18:41 +0000
                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:54 -0400
                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:11 +0000
                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-23 21:05 +0000
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:22 -0700
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 17:31 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-23 22:34 +0000
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 08:53 -0400
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 13:39 +0000
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 10:48 -0400
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 19:59 +0000
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 17:47 -0400
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 23:12 +0000
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:36 -0400
                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:42 -0700
                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 18:57 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 23:20 +0000
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:38 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:46 -0700
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-25 00:59 +0000
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 18:17 -0700
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-25 01:30 +0000
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:58 -0400
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:44 -0700
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 22:52 -0400
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:16 -0700
                                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:24 -0400
                                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:40 -0700
                                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:45 -0400
                                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:48 -0700
                                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:02 -0400
                                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 21:10 -0700
                                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:26 -0400
                                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-04-09 18:40 +0000
                                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-09 11:51 -0700
                                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-10 10:07 +1200
                                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-09 18:16 -0400
                                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-10 19:48 +0000
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:08 -0400
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 18:14 -0700
                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 19:29 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:46 -0700
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:09 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-25 06:24 +0000
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 02:31 -0400
                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-23 12:20 -0400
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:13 -0400
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-23 15:39 -0400
                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 15:52 -0400
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:58 +0000
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 16:11 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 22:12 +0000
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-23 16:02 -0400
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 16:09 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 20:25 +0000
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 16:34 -0400
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:43 -0700
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-03-24 09:09 -0400
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-03-24 20:10 +0000
                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 18:33 +0000
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:51 -0400
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:06 +0000
                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 15:26 -0400
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:33 +0000
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:44 -0700
                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:11 -0400
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:47 -0700
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:11 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 18:13 -0700
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:57 -0400
                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:43 -0700
                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 22:54 -0400
                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:15 -0700
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:22 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:36 -0700
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:43 -0400
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:49 -0700
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:09 -0400
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 21:11 -0700
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:29 -0400
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Rudy Canoza <rc@j.kone.invalid> - 2025-03-25 02:32 -0400
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 02:41 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 18:27 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 16:55 -0700
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 20:08 -0400
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 17:10 -0700
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 20:21 -0400
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 23:11 -0700
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 02:50 -0400
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-05 16:06 -0400
                                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 16:17 -0400
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-04-05 20:42 -0400
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 07:42 -0400
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 08:07 -0700
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 15:44 -0400
                                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 12:46 -0700
                                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 15:59 -0400
                                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 13:11 -0700
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-07 08:57 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-05 15:49 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 16:16 -0400
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-06 01:26 +0000
                                                            Re: πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ πŸŒˆπŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸŒˆJenπŸŒˆπŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸŒˆ Dershmendenderer πŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸΆη¬›πŸŒˆπŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸŒˆ <root@127.0.0.1>  - 2025-04-06 03:18 +0000
                                                              Re: πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-06 03:35 +0000
                                                                Re: πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-06 04:31 +0000
                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 19:17 -0700
                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-23 03:15 +0000
                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-23 18:01 +1300
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-23 18:08 +1300
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-23 05:37 +0000
                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:45 -0700
                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 23:33 -0400
                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:46 -0700
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:13 -0400
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:47 -0700
                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-25 00:52 +0000
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:59 -0700
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:48 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:43 -0700
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 22:28 -0400
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:44 -0700
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 08:43 -0400
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 08:48 -0400
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 08:12 +0000
                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 04:20 -0400
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 18:48 +0000
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 14:54 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-25 17:24 -0700
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 20:33 -0400
                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-25 18:03 -0700
                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 21:19 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 07:40 +0000
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-26 08:36 -0400
                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 20:15 +0000
                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-27 10:05 +1300
                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 17:43 -0400
                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-26 19:05 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 19:17 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-27 02:25 +0000
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 19:49 -0700
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-27 03:30 +0000
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 11:57 -0400
                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 20:15 +0000
                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 16:18 -0400
                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 07:45 +0000
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-27 08:41 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 12:20 -0400
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 00:44 +0000
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 21:20 -0400
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-27 18:26 -0700
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 21:53 -0400
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-27 22:42 -0700
                                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-28 01:45 -0400
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-28 07:50 +0000
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 02:08 +0000
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 22:16 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 12:06 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 18:11 +0000
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 00:43 +0000
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 21:18 -0400
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-28 08:26 -0400
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 14:58 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 15:13 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 02:09 +0000
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-21 20:33 -0400
    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 00:00 -0400
      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:06 -0400
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 21:09 -0700
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:25 -0400
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 10:13 -0400
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 10:20 -0400
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 11:01 -0400
            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 02:05 +0000
      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 08:47 -0400
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 10:35 -0400
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 10:41 -0400
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 11:04 -0400
            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-26 11:09 +1300
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-26 11:16 +1300
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 18:53 +0000
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#193977

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-25 20:29 -0400
Message-ID<90i6ujhgg8uqnc8qc36mk52m3oufen4188@4ax.com>
In reply to#193975
Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> wrote:

>> >Linux is fun if you like to tinker with OSes.   Windows is fine if you 
>> >need it for work.   Macs are easy to use and fit right in with iPhones 
>> >and iPads.
>> >
>> >But in general, most people have no real use for "computers" these days.  
>> >A phone and a maybe tablet are really all most people need for personal, 
>> >every day use.
>> >
>> >So arguing about "how good (Linux/Mac/Windows) really is" is an argument 
>> >that is years out of date. 
>> >
>> >"I promise you Linux is better than people think" does not matter.  No 
>> >one today cares.   I promise you that a Beta VCR was better than a VHS 
>> >VCR.
>> 
>> If you don't want to learn anything, I get it.
>
>Actually, there is nothing else that I need to know.   I have been 
>using/running/programming computers since before you were born.
> 
>These days I just want them to work.   I am no longer interested in 
>compiling the kernel to add a driver for a Microsoft Bus Mouse.
>
>Yes, I actually did that in 1988 or so.  On Slackware Linux I think.   
>Or maybe it was Coherent Unix.    
>
>It's all just a Bad Memory now.


Ah, I understand.  That's reasonable enough, but I find when computers
"just work", it's expensive to purchase and resource-consuming to a
negative degree, Linux is not just open-source but it's freedom from
the corporate world as you compute.  I wouldn't use M$ and Apple.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#193982

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-03-26 01:59 +0000
Message-ID<m4h5b6F4mfhU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#193975
On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 20:14:32 -0400, Johnny LaRue wrote:

> Yes, I actually did that in 1988 or so.  On Slackware Linux I think.
> Or maybe it was Coherent Unix.

<quibble>in 1988 it better have been some sort of Unix</quibble>

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#193811

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2025-03-22 04:54 -0500
Message-ID<pu1ttjpgg75kdtbid463q9km1579vbaehl@4ax.com>
In reply to#193800
Johnny LaRue wrote:

>Except that most people don't even know what "Linux" or "MacOS" or 
>"Windows" are.   Most people are not computer geeks and have no desire 
>to become one.  
>
>So they run a Mac or a Dell or an HP.   "OS" has no meaning to most 
>people.  
>
>Linux is fun if you like to tinker with OSes.   Windows is fine if you 
>need it for work.   Macs are easy to use and fit right in with iPhones 
>and iPads.
>
>But in general, most people have no real use for "computers" these days.  
>A phone and a maybe tablet are really all most people need for personal, 
>every day use.
>
>So arguing about "how good (Linux/Mac/Windows) really is" is an argument 
>that is years out of date. 
>
>"I promise you Linux is better than people think" does not matter.  No 
>one today cares.   I promise you that a Beta VCR was better than a VHS 
>VCR.
>
>No one cares today.

I suppose that you are mostly correct, although it's difficult for me
to imagine not having and using a computer at home.  Doing everything
on a tiny phone?  Ish!

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#193810

FromChris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-22 09:22 +0000
Message-ID<vrlvfq$3l4ee$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#193799
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A Mac mini would be $1400.  What I could build for that is
>>>>>>> unbelievable.  Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK.  I
>>>>>>> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What do you do that you would need a Mac Mini configured to cost that much?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I use the capacity of my CPU and RAM under Linux, it would only be
>>>>> more burdened under macOS with needing to run WinARM in a VM, rather
>>>>> than having native Wine with an x86-64 PC with Linux.
>>>> 
>>>> Then don't buy hardware (you can't afford?) that isn't suitable for your
>>>> workload. 
>>> 
>>> The point is that I should be able to afford a Mac mini that would
>>> work for me, 
>> 
>> Why?
> 
> 
> If Apple wasn't a gimmick.

It isn't. 

> 
>>> but they price the upgrades so high that it just tells us
>>> they're a high-end brand name, not actually better than any other OS.
>> 
>> That's not everyone's experience, but yeah Apple doesn't do cheap. 
> 
> 
> Your experience with their OS may be fabulous, 

Not just the OS. The hardware is phenomenal. 

> but I promise you Linux
> is better than people think.

True. Mainly because people either don't know about linux or think it is a
geek-fest. You're starting from a very low bar. 

I used linux for 10-15 years at work and home, and macos is better in
almost every way. Mostly because it is unix. 

>>>> Note that WINE works on Arm Macs. No need for VMs if the you the software
>>>> works with WINE. 
>>> 
>>> I retract my previous comment, the support for x86 Windows raw code by
>>> Rosetta 2 is something I would theoretically value, 
>> 
>> Not quite right. Rosetta 2 enables intel macos binaries to run on arm macos
>> through a one-time translation. 
>> 
>> Not sure whether wine needs rosetta to work on arm macs. 
> 
> 
> It said it does support running code under Wine through Rosetta 2.

ok


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#193816

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-03-22 19:16 +0000
Message-ID<m48gkuFme0qU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#193810
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 09:22:02 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

> I used linux for 10-15 years at work and home, and macos is better in
> almost every way. Mostly because it is unix.

Having used AIX I'm not sure being a certified real Unix OS is necessarily 
a plus point.

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#193986

FromChris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-26 07:40 +0000
Message-ID<vs0b19$19k5o$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#193816
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 09:22:02 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
> 
>> I used linux for 10-15 years at work and home, and macos is better in
>> almost every way. Mostly because it is unix.
> 
> Having used AIX I'm not sure being a certified real Unix OS is necessarily 
> a plus point.

In practice, it is. 

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#193772

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-03-20 14:26 -0700
Message-ID<vri16r$u8t$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#193768
On 2025-03-20 10:43, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>> A Mac mini would be $1400.  What I could build for that is
>>> unbelievable.  Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK.  I
>>> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first.
>>
>> What do you do that you would need a Mac Mini configured to cost that much?
> 
> 
> I use the capacity of my CPU and RAM under Linux, it would only be
> more burdened under macOS with needing to run WinARM in a VM, rather
> than having native Wine with an x86-64 PC with Linux.
> 

Sorry, but that is completely dodging the question.

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#193773

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-20 17:58 -0400
Message-ID<dj3ptj5gfkntk0pvn5k2alc6476et18i6i@4ax.com>
In reply to#193772
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>> A Mac mini would be $1400.  What I could build for that is
>>>> unbelievable.  Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK.  I
>>>> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first.
>>>
>>> What do you do that you would need a Mac Mini configured to cost that much?
>> 
>> I use the capacity of my CPU and RAM under Linux, it would only be
>> more burdened under macOS with needing to run WinARM in a VM, rather
>> than having native Wine with an x86-64 PC with Linux.
>
>Sorry, but that is completely dodging the question.


OK, let me explain, the device would need to have Windows 11 running
in a VM, and mind you that isn't a complaint because remaining with
x86 just for Wine wouldn't make sense, Apple was smart to dump
IntelAMD.  It's convenient that I can operate this app under Wine,
with Linux and x86 hardware, but in the future I would love to see
Linux for ARM on a new device.

To address your question, directly, I upped the specs to give me 32 GB
RAM and such.  That which would give me what's needed to make macOS
shine as a driver OS.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#193774

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-03-20 15:52 -0700
Message-ID<vri679$u8t$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#193773
On 2025-03-20 14:58, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>> A Mac mini would be $1400.  What I could build for that is
>>>>> unbelievable.  Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK.  I
>>>>> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first.
>>>>
>>>> What do you do that you would need a Mac Mini configured to cost that much?
>>>
>>> I use the capacity of my CPU and RAM under Linux, it would only be
>>> more burdened under macOS with needing to run WinARM in a VM, rather
>>> than having native Wine with an x86-64 PC with Linux.
>>
>> Sorry, but that is completely dodging the question.
> 
> 
> OK, let me explain, the device would need to have Windows 11 running
> in a VM, and mind you that isn't a complaint because remaining with
> x86 just for Wine wouldn't make sense, Apple was smart to dump
> IntelAMD.  It's convenient that I can operate this app under Wine,
> with Linux and x86 hardware, but in the future I would love to see
> Linux for ARM on a new device.

As was already explained to you, that's false.

WiNE is available to run ARM Windows apps on the Mac.

> 
> To address your question, directly, I upped the specs to give me 32 GB
> RAM and such.  That which would give me what's needed to make macOS
> shine as a driver OS.
But since that proceeded from a false assumption...

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#193775

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-20 20:48 -0400
Message-ID<fpdptjhtcldgm9hue2vsii2ls38ls7n314@4ax.com>
In reply to#193774
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>>> A Mac mini would be $1400.  What I could build for that is
>>>>>> unbelievable.  Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK.  I
>>>>>> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you do that you would need a Mac Mini configured to cost that much?
>>>>
>>>> I use the capacity of my CPU and RAM under Linux, it would only be
>>>> more burdened under macOS with needing to run WinARM in a VM, rather
>>>> than having native Wine with an x86-64 PC with Linux.
>>>
>>> Sorry, but that is completely dodging the question.
>> 
>> OK, let me explain, the device would need to have Windows 11 running
>> in a VM, and mind you that isn't a complaint because remaining with
>> x86 just for Wine wouldn't make sense, Apple was smart to dump
>> IntelAMD.  It's convenient that I can operate this app under Wine,
>> with Linux and x86 hardware, but in the future I would love to see
>> Linux for ARM on a new device.
>
>As was already explained to you, that's false.
>
>WiNE is available to run ARM Windows apps on the Mac.


Doesn't help me, I need the x86 emulation of Win11ARM under Parallels.


>> To address your question, directly, I upped the specs to give me 32 GB
>> RAM and such.  That which would give me what's needed to make macOS
>> shine as a driver OS.
>But since that proceeded from a false assumption...


It did not.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#193787

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-21 12:31 -0400
Message-ID<gv4rtj1nms3s6f434cbok8561erd5415jc@4ax.com>
In reply to#193775
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

>Doesn't help me, I need the x86 emulation of Win11ARM under Parallels.
>[as opposed to using Wine]


I was being very careless, here, not having merely seen that Apple's
emulation indeed works with Wine.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#193788

Fromvallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
Date2025-03-21 16:47 +0000
Message-ID<m45jg6F8q85U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#193787
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 12:31:51 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
<gv4rtj1nms3s6f434cbok8561erd5415jc@4ax.com>:

> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>Doesn't help me, I need the x86 emulation of Win11ARM under Parallels.
>>[as opposed to using Wine]
> 
> 
> I was being very careless, here, not having merely seen that Apple's
> emulation indeed works with Wine.

You'd still be stuck with the Mac interface, with the bass-ackwards
buttons, etc.

Sure, it's UNIX, but without the flexibility of other Unices.

Setting fu2 to cola, because this has nothing to do with iphones.

-- 
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
   OS: Linux 6.14.0-rc7 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G
   "Common sense isn't..."

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#193789

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-21 13:00 -0400
Message-ID<il6rtj1s3mper76omdarc2e66he386evmp@4ax.com>
In reply to#193788
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 12:31:51 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
><gv4rtj1nms3s6f434cbok8561erd5415jc@4ax.com>:
>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>Doesn't help me, I need the x86 emulation of Win11ARM under Parallels.
>>>[as opposed to using Wine]
>> 
>> I was being very careless, here, not having merely seen that Apple's
>> emulation indeed works with Wine.
>
>You'd still be stuck with the Mac interface, with the bass-ackwards
>buttons, etc.
>
>Sure, it's UNIX, but without the flexibility of other Unices.
>
>Setting fu2 to cola, because this has nothing to do with iphones.


I was trolling Apple users where they're found.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#193786

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-21 12:29 -0400
Message-ID<gq4rtj5go10o7t71f8jguh066iene2n5h8@4ax.com>
In reply to#193774
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>>> A Mac mini would be $1400.  What I could build for that is
>>>>>> unbelievable.  Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK.  I
>>>>>> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you do that you would need a Mac Mini configured to cost that much?
>>>>
>>>> I use the capacity of my CPU and RAM under Linux, it would only be
>>>> more burdened under macOS with needing to run WinARM in a VM, rather
>>>> than having native Wine with an x86-64 PC with Linux.
>>>
>>> Sorry, but that is completely dodging the question.
>> 
>> OK, let me explain, the device would need to have Windows 11 running
>> in a VM, and mind you that isn't a complaint because remaining with
>> x86 just for Wine wouldn't make sense, Apple was smart to dump
>> IntelAMD.  It's convenient that I can operate this app under Wine,
>> with Linux and x86 hardware, but in the future I would love to see
>> Linux for ARM on a new device.
>
>As was already explained to you, that's false.
>
>WiNE is available to run ARM Windows apps on the Mac.
>
>> To address your question, directly, I upped the specs to give me 32 GB
>> RAM and such.  That which would give me what's needed to make macOS
>> shine as a driver OS.
>But since that proceeded from a false assumption...


I would as it turns out be fine using Wine under macOS, you were right
about that part of it, but it doesn't change the desired specs of my
theoretical Mac mini, they just go from "pretty good" to "really
good".

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#193791

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-03-21 12:40 -0700
Message-ID<vrkfbr$27s7d$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#193786
On 2025-03-21 09:29, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>>> A Mac mini would be $1400.  What I could build for that is
>>>>>>> unbelievable.  Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK.  I
>>>>>>> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you do that you would need a Mac Mini configured to cost that much?
>>>>>
>>>>> I use the capacity of my CPU and RAM under Linux, it would only be
>>>>> more burdened under macOS with needing to run WinARM in a VM, rather
>>>>> than having native Wine with an x86-64 PC with Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, but that is completely dodging the question.
>>>
>>> OK, let me explain, the device would need to have Windows 11 running
>>> in a VM, and mind you that isn't a complaint because remaining with
>>> x86 just for Wine wouldn't make sense, Apple was smart to dump
>>> IntelAMD.  It's convenient that I can operate this app under Wine,
>>> with Linux and x86 hardware, but in the future I would love to see
>>> Linux for ARM on a new device.
>>
>> As was already explained to you, that's false.
>>
>> WiNE is available to run ARM Windows apps on the Mac.
>>
>>> To address your question, directly, I upped the specs to give me 32 GB
>>> RAM and such.  That which would give me what's needed to make macOS
>>> shine as a driver OS.
>> But since that proceeded from a false assumption...
> 
> 
> I would as it turns out be fine using Wine under macOS, you were right
> about that part of it, but it doesn't change the desired specs of my
> theoretical Mac mini, they just go from "pretty good" to "really
> good".
And I ask again:

What actual task makes you need such an extreme machine?

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#193792

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-21 15:56 -0400
Message-ID<83hrtjhu6m99m4sr6p36m7qec5t0idldjj@4ax.com>
In reply to#193791
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>> I would as it turns out be fine using Wine under macOS, you were right
>> about that part of it, but it doesn't change the desired specs of my
>> theoretical Mac mini, they just go from "pretty good" to "really
>> good".
>And I ask again:
>
>What actual task makes you need such an extreme machine?


It would match what I have with Linux.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#193806

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-03-21 22:27 -0700
Message-ID<vrlhod$38sdl$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#193792
On 2025-03-21 12:56, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>> I would as it turns out be fine using Wine under macOS, you were right
>>> about that part of it, but it doesn't change the desired specs of my
>>> theoretical Mac mini, they just go from "pretty good" to "really
>>> good".
>> And I ask again:
>>
>> What actual task makes you need such an extreme machine?
> 
> 
> It would match what I have with Linux.
What actual tasks do you use the computer to complete?

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#193818

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-22 16:36 -0400
Message-ID<1q7utjll1cabq3b1pim0522uk6c97e3emm@4ax.com>
In reply to#193806
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>> I would as it turns out be fine using Wine under macOS, you were right
>>>> about that part of it, but it doesn't change the desired specs of my
>>>> theoretical Mac mini, they just go from "pretty good" to "really
>>>> good".
>>> And I ask again:
>>>
>>> What actual task makes you need such an extreme machine?
>> 
>> It would match what I have with Linux.
>What actual tasks do you use the computer to complete?


Keeping everything I run loaded at once.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#193819

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-03-22 14:04 -0700
Message-ID<vrn8ka$or5h$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#193818
On 2025-03-22 13:36, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>> I would as it turns out be fine using Wine under macOS, you were right
>>>>> about that part of it, but it doesn't change the desired specs of my
>>>>> theoretical Mac mini, they just go from "pretty good" to "really
>>>>> good".
>>>> And I ask again:
>>>>
>>>> What actual task makes you need such an extreme machine?
>>>
>>> It would match what I have with Linux.
>> What actual tasks do you use the computer to complete?
> 
> 
> Keeping everything I run loaded at once.
> 

What do you run, and what resources does each use?

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#193822

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-22 17:52 -0400
Message-ID<hqbutjh5ct4kjj078ur38vnr772kp76qei@4ax.com>
In reply to#193819
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>> [A souped up Mac mini] would match what I have with Linux [in support of needed apps and use].
>>> What actual tasks do you use the computer to complete?
>> 
>> Keeping everything I run loaded at once.
>
>What do you run, and what resources does each use?


Take a look at my Cinnamon taskbar:  https://i.imgur.com/yPGDm6a.png

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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