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| Started by | Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> |
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| First post | 2015-07-22 10:06 +0200 |
| Last post | 2015-07-23 08:39 +1000 |
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Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-22 10:06 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 10:23 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 08:56 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 03:22 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 10:27 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-22 17:00 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 13:26 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 10:00 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 14:22 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@(REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-07-22 10:07 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-22 20:06 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2015-07-22 13:13 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 09:08 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Chris Blunt <mail@nospam.com> - 2015-07-24 11:22 +0800
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 14:36 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 13:12 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-25 19:34 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 16:58 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 17:51 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-24 14:32 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Wolfgang Barth <barthwo@spamfence.net> - 2015-07-24 15:38 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@(REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-07-24 09:26 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 13:22 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@(REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-07-25 11:19 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 13:17 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@(REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-07-25 11:18 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-25 19:47 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-27 09:46 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 03:50 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-04 06:59 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-04 16:21 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-04 08:52 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 05:30 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-04 19:33 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-06 09:39 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 12:17 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 05:41 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-04 17:25 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 05:26 +1000
voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-05 20:08 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-05 14:58 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-05 15:16 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 12:41 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-05 16:03 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 06:24 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 13:34 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-06 04:51 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:22 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 13:41 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:53 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-06 15:35 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 23:26 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-06 16:35 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 09:46 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-06 14:40 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-07 06:02 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-08 01:09 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 14:04 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2015-08-09 00:14 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-08-09 12:42 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2015-08-10 00:18 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-08-09 17:50 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-09 23:19 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-09 23:10 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-06 17:25 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 19:51 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 19:31 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 21:56 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-06 20:51 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-06 21:48 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 19:29 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-07 15:40 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-07 00:08 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-07 21:08 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-08 01:04 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 13:58 +1000
do absentee voters need photo id? (was: voting booths in republican areas) Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-08-08 14:03 +0200
Re: do absentee voters need photo id? (was: voting booths in republican areas) Elias <elias@nowherenohow.com> - 2015-08-08 10:02 -0500
Re: do absentee voters need photo id? (was: voting booths in republican areas) Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-08 21:28 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-06 15:23 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas News <News@Group.Post> - 2015-08-06 07:00 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-06 04:59 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:33 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-06 15:34 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 18:50 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 16:55 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 09:12 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 08:40 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-06 07:26 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 12:16 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 13:24 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 12:16 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 13:22 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-06 07:35 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-08-06 14:36 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 12:18 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 13:31 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:46 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 14:04 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 12:14 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 14:27 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:44 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 13:58 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 12:12 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:36 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-08-08 08:17 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 06:18 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-05 15:27 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 13:38 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 15:25 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-05 15:19 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 09:07 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 08:38 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-06 07:25 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 11:11 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-06 07:31 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 12:02 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 11:14 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:38 -0700
leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot booths..) Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-07 14:58 +0200
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot booths..) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-07 10:56 -0400
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot booths..) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 05:16 +1000
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-09 11:57 +0200
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot booths..) Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-08 16:21 -0700
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-08-10 12:56 -0400
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-10 15:34 -0700
what's small? (was: leader's campaigns..) Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-13 22:08 +0200
leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot booths..) Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-08-09 08:48 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> - 2015-08-05 18:13 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 16:02 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Mike Yetto <unet.lighthouse@xoxy.net> - 2015-08-06 18:27 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> - 2015-08-07 12:36 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-07 12:38 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-10 08:51 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-10 22:28 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-11 08:53 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-11 01:06 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-11 10:25 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-11 17:46 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-12 09:54 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-05 19:00 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> - 2015-08-07 12:39 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-08-06 16:14 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 09:07 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-18 09:49 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 11:46 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-18 12:38 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 18:51 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-19 11:14 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 08:31 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-19 12:56 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 11:57 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-19 15:04 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 12:22 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-19 15:36 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 06:09 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 13:10 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:03 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-19 12:39 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-19 20:09 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-19 14:27 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 14:58 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-19 16:10 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-20 08:32 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:14 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-24 10:30 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-24 09:30 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-24 12:05 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-24 08:33 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-24 09:37 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 15:27 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:13 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-19 16:34 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-19 14:46 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-20 12:40 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-20 09:55 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-20 10:14 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-20 22:35 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:09 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:02 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-19 00:03 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 19:01 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2015-08-19 19:08 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 09:34 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-18 23:57 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 19:05 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 09:28 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2015-08-19 19:14 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-19 09:09 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 07:15 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 05:56 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 05:52 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:15 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas David Solimano <david@solimano.org> - 2015-08-06 22:52 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 21:59 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 20:26 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 14:03 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 13:11 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 05:34 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-25 20:04 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Dieghettino <d@casa.mia> - 2015-07-26 06:41 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 08:45 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 04:05 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-04 07:03 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 14:11 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-04 11:19 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 12:19 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-04 12:32 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-04 15:40 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-04 14:15 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 05:36 +1000
id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-08-05 20:05 +0000
Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 13:19 -0700
Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-06 04:46 -0400
Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 09:10 -0400
Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-06 14:51 -0400
Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 14:58 -0400
id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-08-11 00:46 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-26 18:45 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 10:04 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-27 09:51 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-28 09:30 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 20:24 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-25 19:57 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 16:57 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 08:39 +1000
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| From | "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-05 14:58 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) |
| Message-ID | <mptma8$feh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76531 |
"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message news:448fcd2fbde463f54a667ea9a3b0f02b@dizum.com... >> Am 04.08.2015 um 15:59 schrieb Savageduck: >> >> > ...and which State do you live in that photo ID is required at a >> > polling place? >> >> In the US you're not required to prove that you're the one your >> claiming to be at a polling place? Sounds strange to me... > > It varies from one region to the next. Republican voters are die-hard > voters. So if a voting booth is in a republican stronghold, the > standard of identity proof is much higher. Republicans are largely > disciplined on this while democrats are not. So increasing > restrictions and voting difficulty always reduces number of democratic > votes. Democrats have less wealth as a whole, and naturally a > disproportionate higher number of democrats don't have passports or > driver licenses. > > It's a republican political strategy, similar to large billboards > during campaign times saying "voting fraud is a crime.. will be > strictly enforced!" Of course everyone knows that, but the strategy > is actually to frighten legit voters into not taking any risk (like > those who may not have a driver license or passport, or those who > recently moved into the area, who might be uncertain whether they were > automatically deregistered from the previous area, etc). Can you cite anything that proves your claim that Democrats have less wealth than Republicans? Two of the largest blue states are California and New York. There is far more democratic wealth in those states than Republican. Where do you get your information that polling places in Republican strongholds require a higher standard of proof of identity? The standard of identity is the same across an entire state, it does not differ from one area of a state to another. In New York, we walk into or polling place, say who we are, then the poll worker looks up our name on the list and we sign our name. If I know the name and address of someone else, I can easily claim to be that person and vote fraudulently. Democrats don't support voter ID for one simple reason - they have no interest in prohibiting voter fraud because they benefit from it. How does requiring voter ID scare off voters? How difficult is it to obtain an ID? You don't need a driver's license, you can get a state issued ID card. This notion that requiring voter ID is a political strategy and that the purpose is to scare off voters is pure bunk.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-08-05 15:16 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) |
| Message-ID | <050820151516156956%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #76532 |
In article <mptma8$feh$1@dont-email.me>, PAS <ntotrr@optonline.net> wrote: > Where do you get your information that polling places in Republican > strongholds require a higher standard of proof of identity? The > standard of identity is the same across an entire state, it does not > differ from one area of a state to another. In New York, we walk into > or polling place, say who we are, then the poll worker looks up our name > on the list and we sign our name. If I know the name and address of > someone else, I can easily claim to be that person and vote > fraudulently. vote early and vote often! > Democrats don't support voter ID for one simple reason - they have no > interest in prohibiting voter fraud because they benefit from it. nonsense. *all* politicians can benefit from voter fraud (or any other type of illicit activity) if they think they can get away with it.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2015-08-05 12:41 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) |
| Message-ID | <050820151241371909%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #76532 |
In article <mptma8$feh$1@dont-email.me>, PAS <ntotrr@optonline.net> wrote: > Democrats don't support voter ID for one simple reason - they have no > interest in prohibiting voter fraud because they benefit from it. Bullshit! Study after study shows that voter ID fraud is virtually nonexistent. Republicans want strict voter ID laws because the poor and minorities are less likely to have photo ID, and the poor and minorities are more likely to vote Democratic. > This notion that requiring voter ID is a political strategy and > that the purpose is to scare off voters is pure bunk. It is a political strategy designed to reduce the number of poor and minority voters. It is a "cure" for a virtually nonexistent problem.
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| From | "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-05 16:03 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) |
| Message-ID | <mptq35$v7f$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76534 |
"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message news:050820151241371909%michelle@michelle.org... > In article <mptma8$feh$1@dont-email.me>, PAS <ntotrr@optonline.net> > wrote: > >> Democrats don't support voter ID for one simple reason - they have no >> interest in prohibiting voter fraud because they benefit from it. > > Bullshit! Study after study shows that voter ID fraud is virtually > nonexistent. Republicans want strict voter ID laws because the poor > and minorities are less likely to have photo ID, and the poor and > minorities are more likely to vote Democratic. How hard is it for a poor person or a minority person to get a photo ID? If they're poor and on public assistance then they need ID to get that. This is such a BS argument you make, you're regurgitating party talking points. >> This notion that requiring voter ID is a political strategy and >> that the purpose is to scare off voters is pure bunk. > > It is a political strategy designed to reduce the number of poor and > minority voters. It is a "cure" for a virtually nonexistent problem.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 06:24 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) |
| Message-ID | <d2fa3vF65koU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76535 |
"PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> wrote in message news:mptq35$v7f$1@dont-email.me... > "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message > news:050820151241371909%michelle@michelle.org... >> In article <mptma8$feh$1@dont-email.me>, PAS <ntotrr@optonline.net> >> wrote: >> >>> Democrats don't support voter ID for one simple reason - they have no >>> interest in prohibiting voter fraud because they benefit from it. >> >> Bullshit! Study after study shows that voter ID fraud is virtually >> nonexistent. Republicans want strict voter ID laws because the poor >> and minorities are less likely to have photo ID, and the poor and >> minorities are more likely to vote Democratic. > How hard is it for a poor person or a minority person to get a photo ID? Its not that hard, but when you don't have a car or any easy way to get around, and you don't need a photo ID for any other reason because you are too poor to fly etc, why would you bother ? It makes it impossible for those who encourage people to vote on voting day by taking to where they vote and bringing them home to get those who don't have photo ID to vote because there is no way to organise a photo ID on the day as well. > If they're poor and on public assistance then they need ID to get that. There are plenty who aren't that don't need ID. > This is such a BS argument you make, Nope, its certainly true that the dregs of society are much less likely to have a photo ID, because they are less likely to have a drivers license etc because of the cost of the car. > you're regurgitating party talking points. She is stating the obvious that you are denying., >>> This notion that requiring voter ID is a political strategy and >>> that the purpose is to scare off voters is pure bunk. >> >> It is a political strategy designed to reduce the number of poor and >> minority voters. It is a "cure" for a virtually nonexistent problem. >
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2015-08-05 13:34 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) |
| Message-ID | <050820151334372709%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #76535 |
In article <mptq35$v7f$1@dont-email.me>, PAS <ntotrr@optonline.net> wrote: > > Bullshit! Study after study shows that voter ID fraud is virtually > > nonexistent. Republicans want strict voter ID laws because the poor > > and minorities are less likely to have photo ID, and the poor and > > minorities are more likely to vote Democratic. > > How hard is it for a poor person or a minority person to get a photo ID? It can be very hard, especially if they are old. <http://www.brennancenter.org/publication/challenge-obtaining-voter-iden tification> <http://www.aarp.org/politics-society/government-elections/info-01-2012/ voter-id-laws-impact-older-americans.html> <http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/03/how-voter-id-laws-a re-being-used-to-disenfranchise-minorities-and-the-poor/254572/> > If they're poor and on public assistance then they need ID to get that. No they don't. Furthermore, as i said, the voter ID fraud myth is just that, a myth. Here are just a few articles that debunk that myth: <https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/voter-fraud> <http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/10/30/debunking-the-conservative- medias-2014-voter-fr/201382> <http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2014/07/09/7-papers-4-go vernment-inquiries-2-news-investigations-and-1-court-ruling-proving-vote r-fraud-is-mostly-a-myth/> <http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is- widespread.html?_r=0&abt=0002&abg=0> <http://www.scholarsstrategynetwork.org/content/misleading-myth-voter-fr aud-american-elections> <http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2012/04/24/the-myth-of-voter-fra ud> <http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwasik/2012/11/06/voter-fraud-a-massive- anti-democratic-deception/> <http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.asp>
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| From | tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 04:51 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <q6woonawfkq6$.iazhj7hxn6zw.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #76535 |
On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 16:03:17 -0400, PAS wrote: > If they're poor and on public assistance ... How many poor are actually eligible for public assistance? -- tlvp -- Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-05 13:22 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <mptr75$47q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76534 |
On 08/05/2015 12:41 PM, Michelle Steiner wrote: > In article <mptma8$feh$1@dont-email.me>, PAS <ntotrr@optonline.net> > wrote: > >> Democrats don't support voter ID for one simple reason - they have no >> interest in prohibiting voter fraud because they benefit from it. > > Bullshit! Study after study shows that voter ID fraud is virtually > nonexistent. Would you care to explain just how that might work? I'm serious about this. I've heard that before, but how can there be voter fraud if there's no way to determine which voters are legitimate? > Republicans want strict voter ID laws because the poor > and minorities are less likely to have photo ID, and the poor and > minorities are more likely to vote Democratic. No, we don't want the illegals to vote. Why is this so hard to understand? BTW, I used to be a Republican until they stopped being republicans; now I'm a Libertarian, sort of. >> This notion that requiring voter ID is a political strategy and >> that the purpose is to scare off voters is pure bunk. > > It is a political strategy designed to reduce the number of poor and > minority voters. It is a "cure" for a virtually nonexistent problem. If LEGAL poor and minority voters can't figure out how to acquire the proper documentation (which you have to do for just about every damn thing anyway) maybe they've in effect forfeited their right to vote. Not everything is easy or automatic, nor should it be. If you care enough about something you'll figure out a way to do it. -- Cheers, Bev =========================================== Lawyering: the only profession that if you didn't have it you wouldn't need it.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2015-08-05 13:41 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <050820151341176729%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #76542 |
In article <mptr75$47q$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote: > If LEGAL poor and minority voters can't figure out how to acquire the > proper documentation (which you have to do for just about every damn > thing anyway) maybe they've in effect forfeited their right to vote. > Not everything is easy or automatic, nor should it be. If you care > enough about something you'll figure out a way to do it. That's the typical rhetoric of the privileged about the less privileged. Read the links I provided in a message I posted just a few minutes ago.
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-05 14:53 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <mpu0hm$p3v$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76547 |
On 08/05/2015 01:41 PM, Michelle Steiner wrote: > In article <mptr75$47q$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev > <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote: > >> If LEGAL poor and minority voters can't figure out how to acquire the >> proper documentation (which you have to do for just about every damn >> thing anyway) maybe they've in effect forfeited their right to vote. >> Not everything is easy or automatic, nor should it be. If you care >> enough about something you'll figure out a way to do it. > > That's the typical rhetoric of the privileged about the less > privileged. You don't have to be "privileged" to vote, you just have to want to. Eligibility is a secondary requirement :-( > Read the links I provided in a message I posted just a few minutes ago. I read several. They all seem to be long on opinion -- including opinions about statistics -- and short on actual investigative facts. My son lived with us for a while and registered to vote. He was still carried on the rolls long after (10 years at least) he moved away. Had my husband wanted he could have returned later in the day and voted under our son's name. We told the people that he had moved away long ago and the name was gone by the next election. If I paid attention to my neighbors' names (the rolls are sorted by address) I could have voted for any of the ones who moved away or died whenever I wanted. Would that form of fraud have shown up in any of the studies? I could also register to vote by mail (or in person, I assume -- it's been 48 years since I registered) without providing any ID at all. Perhaps I could do this in a dozen or so districts. Perhaps somebody would pay me to do so AND VOTE, or would drive me around from polling place to polling place. In a local election with low turnout this might make a BIG difference in the results, and probably has already done so. How would this form of fraud be detected? There are responsibilities involved in citizenship. Doing what's necessary to vote is one of them. Repeat: if you care enough about something you'll figure out a way to do it. -- Cheers, Bev ========================================== All the toilets were stolen out of the police station. The police have nothing to go on.
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| From | "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 15:35 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <d2ga0jFd6hdU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76548 |
"The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message news:mpu0hm$p3v$1@dont-email.me... > On 08/05/2015 01:41 PM, Michelle Steiner wrote: >> In article <mptr75$47q$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev >> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> If LEGAL poor and minority voters can't figure out how to acquire the >>> proper documentation (which you have to do for just about every damn >>> thing anyway) maybe they've in effect forfeited their right to vote. >>> Not everything is easy or automatic, nor should it be. If you care >>> enough about something you'll figure out a way to do it. >> >> That's the typical rhetoric of the privileged about the less >> privileged. > > You don't have to be "privileged" to vote, you just have to want to. > Eligibility is a secondary requirement :-( > >> Read the links I provided in a message I posted just a few minutes ago. > > I read several. They all seem to be long on opinion -- including opinions > about statistics -- and short on actual investigative facts. > > My son lived with us for a while and registered to vote. He was still > carried on the rolls long after (10 years at least) he moved away. Had my > husband wanted he could have returned later in the day and voted under our > son's name. We told the people that he had moved away long ago and the > name was gone by the next election. The point tho is that few are in that situation and bother with that sort of voter fraud because there is no point in doing that. > If I paid attention to my neighbors' names (the rolls are sorted by > address) I could have voted for any of the ones who moved away or died > whenever I wanted. Yes, but again, that wouldn’t affect the result of the election, so few bother to do that. > Would that form of fraud have shown up in any of the studies? > > I could also register to vote by mail (or in person, I assume -- it's been > 48 years since I registered) without providing any ID at all. Perhaps I > could do this in a dozen or so districts. Perhaps somebody would pay me > to do so AND VOTE, or would drive me around from polling place to polling > place. In a local election with low turnout this might make a BIG > difference in the results, and probably has already done so. > > How would this form of fraud be detected? It isn't going to be common enough to matter. > There are responsibilities involved in citizenship. Doing what's > necessary to vote is one of them. Repeat: if you care enough about > something you'll figure out a way to do it. But the point is that the sort of voter that the parties deliberate encourage to vote by making it easy for them to vote on election day can't do that for them so they won't be able to vote.
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-05 23:26 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <mpuuj6$ipd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76561 |
On 08/05/2015 10:35 PM, JHY wrote: > "The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I could also register to vote by mail (or in person, I assume -- it's been >> 48 years since I registered) without providing any ID at all. Perhaps I >> could do this in a dozen or so districts. Perhaps somebody would pay me >> to do so AND VOTE, or would drive me around from polling place to polling >> place. In a local election with low turnout this might make a BIG >> difference in the results, and probably has already done so. >> >> How would this form of fraud be detected? > > It isn't going to be common enough to matter. Local (city) elections draw small numbers of voters. City population in 2014: ~140,000 Last election results: 47 of 47 Precincts Reporting (Mayor) NAME VOTES PERCENT (%) Candidate 1 8549 54.3 Candidate 2 7170 45.6 District 1 City Councilperson 7 of 7 Precincts Reporting NAME VOTES PERCENT (%) Candidate 1 1185 48.9 Candidate 2 1238 51.0 If you were either of these candidates, most especially if you were running for City Council, wouldn't it be worth your trouble to register some illegals and homeless and haul them around on election day? You think these shitheads are too honorable to do that? Yeah, right. -- Cheers, Bev $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Polish loan sharks: they loan you money and then skip town.
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| From | "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 16:35 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <d2gdi0Fe084U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76562 |
"The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message news:mpuuj6$ipd$1@dont-email.me... > On 08/05/2015 10:35 PM, JHY wrote: > >> "The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I could also register to vote by mail (or in person, I assume -- it's >>> been >>> 48 years since I registered) without providing any ID at all. Perhaps I >>> could do this in a dozen or so districts. Perhaps somebody would pay me >>> to do so AND VOTE, or would drive me around from polling place to >>> polling >>> place. In a local election with low turnout this might make a BIG >>> difference in the results, and probably has already done so. >>> >>> How would this form of fraud be detected? >> >> It isn't going to be common enough to matter. > > Local (city) elections draw small numbers of voters. That isn't the elections that are the reason for the demand to show photo ID before you can vote. > City population in 2014: ~140,000 > Last election results: > > 47 of 47 Precincts Reporting (Mayor) > NAME VOTES PERCENT (%) > Candidate 1 8549 54.3 > Candidate 2 7170 45.6 > > District 1 City Councilperson > 7 of 7 Precincts Reporting > NAME VOTES PERCENT (%) > Candidate 1 1185 48.9 > Candidate 2 1238 51.0 > > If you were either of these candidates, most especially if you were > running for City Council, wouldn't it be worth your trouble to register > some illegals and homeless and haul them around on election day? You > think these shitheads are too honorable to do that? Yeah, right.
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 09:46 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <mq02v2$ktc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76563 |
On 08/05/2015 11:35 PM, JHY wrote: > > > "The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:mpuuj6$ipd$1@dont-email.me... >> On 08/05/2015 10:35 PM, JHY wrote: >> >>> "The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I could also register to vote by mail (or in person, I assume -- it's >>>> been >>>> 48 years since I registered) without providing any ID at all. Perhaps I >>>> could do this in a dozen or so districts. Perhaps somebody would pay me >>>> to do so AND VOTE, or would drive me around from polling place to >>>> polling >>>> place. In a local election with low turnout this might make a BIG >>>> difference in the results, and probably has already done so. >>>> >>>> How would this form of fraud be detected? >>> >>> It isn't going to be common enough to matter. >> >> Local (city) elections draw small numbers of voters. > > That isn't the elections that are the reason for the > demand to show photo ID before you can vote. So what? Local fraud is still fraud, and is probably a lot more serious at the local level. What's wrong with making it hard rather than easy to do something illegal? >> City population in 2014: ~140,000 >> Last election results: >> >> 47 of 47 Precincts Reporting (Mayor) >> NAME VOTES PERCENT (%) >> Candidate 1 8549 54.3 >> Candidate 2 7170 45.6 >> >> District 1 City Councilperson >> 7 of 7 Precincts Reporting >> NAME VOTES PERCENT (%) >> Candidate 1 1185 48.9 >> Candidate 2 1238 51.0 >> >> If you were either of these candidates, most especially if you were >> running for City Council, wouldn't it be worth your trouble to register >> some illegals and homeless and haul them around on election day? You >> think these shitheads are too honorable to do that? Yeah, right. -- Cheers, Bev ------------------------------------------------------------------ It doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always gets in.
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| From | tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 14:40 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <1dy4vpvgj8bg9.1neopy5x758xf$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #76596 |
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:46:58 -0700, The Real Bev wrote: > What's wrong with making it hard rather than easy > to do something illegal? Probably the same thing that's wrong with making it hard rather than easy to lay hands on guns for doing something illegal :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp -- Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
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| From | "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 06:02 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <d2hsquFprqsU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76596 |
"The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message news:mq02v2$ktc$1@dont-email.me... > On 08/05/2015 11:35 PM, JHY wrote: >> >> >> "The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:mpuuj6$ipd$1@dont-email.me... >>> On 08/05/2015 10:35 PM, JHY wrote: >>> >>>> "The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I could also register to vote by mail (or in person, I assume -- it's >>>>> been >>>>> 48 years since I registered) without providing any ID at all. Perhaps >>>>> I >>>>> could do this in a dozen or so districts. Perhaps somebody would pay >>>>> me >>>>> to do so AND VOTE, or would drive me around from polling place to >>>>> polling >>>>> place. In a local election with low turnout this might make a BIG >>>>> difference in the results, and probably has already done so. >>>>> >>>>> How would this form of fraud be detected? >>>> >>>> It isn't going to be common enough to matter. >>> >>> Local (city) elections draw small numbers of voters. >> >> That isn't the elections that are the reason for the >> demand to show photo ID before you can vote. > > So what? So it isn't the reason the Repugs are demanding photo ID before you can vote. > Local fraud is still fraud, There isn't any evidence of the sort of voter fraud you are talking about at the local level, essentially because its just too difficult to organise and few elections end up with as close as a result as the ones you listed so they would have to put a massive effort into doing that in most of the district elections and hardly ever get a useful result when doing that, so they don’t. and is probably a lot more serious > at the local level. What's wrong with making it hard rather than easy to > do something illegal? Because there is no way to provide photo ID on the day for those who are encouraged to vote by the groups that drive them to and from where they vote because they wouldn’t otherwise bother to vote and that does penalise the one party that has most of those voters, those who have no need for a photo ID except to vote. >>> City population in 2014: ~140,000 >>> Last election results: >>> >>> 47 of 47 Precincts Reporting (Mayor) >>> NAME VOTES PERCENT (%) >>> Candidate 1 8549 54.3 >>> Candidate 2 7170 45.6 >>> >>> District 1 City Councilperson >>> 7 of 7 Precincts Reporting >>> NAME VOTES PERCENT (%) >>> Candidate 1 1185 48.9 >>> Candidate 2 1238 51.0 >>> >>> If you were either of these candidates, most especially if you were >>> running for City Council, wouldn't it be worth your trouble to register >>> some illegals and homeless and haul them around on election day? You >>> think these shitheads are too honorable to do that? Yeah, right.
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| From | Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 01:09 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <55C53AB6.57B041E4@B.Maus.De> |
| In reply to | #76614 |
JHY wrote: > Because there is no way to provide photo ID on the day > for those who are encouraged to vote by the groups that > drive them to and from where they vote Why don't they have it anyway? If someone does me harm or damage, perhaps even accidentally, here in Germany I can ask to see his ID and know whom to claim damges from. In Britain or America not even the police can ascertain someboy's identity. Is that reasonable? Axel
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 14:04 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <d2lddnFlirmU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76648 |
Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> wrote > JHY wrote >> Because there is no way to provide photo ID on the >> day for those who are encouraged to vote by the >> groups that drive them to and from where they vote > Why don't they have it anyway? Because most jurisdictions don't require everyone to carry ID at all times like the european police states do. > If someone does me harm or damage, perhaps > even accidentally, here in Germany I can ask to > see his ID and know whom to claim damges from. And in most jurisdictions there is no legal requirement to show ID when someone else does that, not even with the police. The main exception is with car accidents and obviously those who don't drive have no need to carry ID, let alone photo ID. > In Britain or America not even the police > can ascertain someboy's identity. That isn't true of vehicle drivers and it isn't true of just Britain and America either, its just as true of almost all the non european police states too. > Is that reasonable? Yes, we feel that it is because we aren't into police states.
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| From | DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 00:14 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <chudsah11oiar9l9870upg2goa5k7s4pqn@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #76648 |
In the last episode of <55C53AB6.57B041E4@B.Maus.De>, Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> said: >JHY wrote: >> Because there is no way to provide photo ID on the day >> for those who are encouraged to vote by the groups that >> drive them to and from where they vote > >Why don't they have it anyway? If someone does me harm or damage, >perhaps even accidentally, here in Germany I can ask to see his ID and >know whom to claim damges from. In Britain or America not even the >police can ascertain someboy's identity. Is that reasonable? Are you required to carry papers at all times? And if so, do you have discretion as to when and where you present them? -- We have a two party system, the democratic party, which is a party of no ideas, and the republican party, which is a party of bad ideas. -- Lewis Black
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 12:42 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <d2p06aFi1geU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76674 |
DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> wrote: > In the last episode of <55C53AB6.57B041E4@B.Maus.De>, Axel Berger > <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> said: > > >JHY wrote: > >> Because there is no way to provide photo ID on the day > >> for those who are encouraged to vote by the groups that > >> drive them to and from where they vote > > > >Why don't they have it anyway? If someone does me harm or damage, > >perhaps even accidentally, here in Germany I can ask to see his ID and > >know whom to claim damges from. In Britain or America not even the > >police can ascertain someboy's identity. Is that reasonable? > > Are you required to carry papers at all times? For The Netherlands, Germany is probably similar: Yes. BTW, in many cases, it's not 'papers', but a credit-card sized ID-card. > And if so, do you have > discretion as to when and where you present them? This is a too broad a question to fully answer. But in general you have to present them to 'officials' - i.e. police, etc. - upon request. That's the 'police state' interpretation/*theory*, which is so popular with some people. In *reality*, I've *never* been asked to present ID to any 'official', in the *10 years* that this law exists [1]. And I do *not* carry my ID, because the chance to have to present ID, is very low and the fine - *if* I would ever get it, is only some 90 Eoro (US$100). So, I'm *so* sorry to disappoint the privacy loons, but *that* is the extend of our 'police state's! [1] It probably helps to be a somewhat behaving person.
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