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Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control

Started byJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
First post2025-03-18 18:12 -0400
Last post2025-03-26 11:09 +1300
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  Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-18 18:12 -0400
    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-20 09:14 -0700
      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-20 12:23 -0400
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 13:44 -0400
      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 13:43 -0400
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 19:50 +0000
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Mikey <Mikey.Smith@aol.invalid> - 2025-03-21 15:00 +0000
            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-21 19:59 +0000
            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 16:45 -0400
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 12:26 -0400
            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 23:53 +0000
              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 20:00 -0400
                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-21 20:27 -0400
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-22 00:45 +0000
                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 19:57 -0400
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 21:49 -0400
                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-21 22:29 -0700
                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 16:29 -0400
                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 19:59 -0400
                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 20:14 -0400
                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 20:29 -0400
                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 01:59 +0000
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-22 04:54 -0500
                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 09:22 +0000
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-22 19:16 +0000
                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 07:40 +0000
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-20 14:26 -0700
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 17:58 -0400
            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-20 15:52 -0700
              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 20:48 -0400
                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 12:31 -0400
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-21 16:47 +0000
                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 13:00 -0400
              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 12:29 -0400
                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-21 12:40 -0700
                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-21 15:56 -0400
                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-21 22:27 -0700
                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 16:36 -0400
                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 14:04 -0700
                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 17:52 -0400
                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-22 19:18 -0400
                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 19:23 -0400
                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 19:17 -0700
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 08:18 -0400
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-23 12:21 +0000
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:00 -0400
                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 18:06 +0000
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:17 -0400
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 18:22 +0000
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:35 -0400
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 18:41 +0000
                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:54 -0400
                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:11 +0000
                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-23 21:05 +0000
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:22 -0700
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 17:31 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-23 22:34 +0000
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 08:53 -0400
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 13:39 +0000
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 10:48 -0400
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 19:59 +0000
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 17:47 -0400
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 23:12 +0000
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:36 -0400
                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:42 -0700
                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 18:57 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-24 23:20 +0000
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:38 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:46 -0700
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-25 00:59 +0000
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 18:17 -0700
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-25 01:30 +0000
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:58 -0400
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:44 -0700
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 22:52 -0400
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:16 -0700
                                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:24 -0400
                                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:40 -0700
                                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:45 -0400
                                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:48 -0700
                                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:02 -0400
                                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 21:10 -0700
                                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:26 -0400
                                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-04-09 18:40 +0000
                                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-09 11:51 -0700
                                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-10 10:07 +1200
                                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-09 18:16 -0400
                                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-10 19:48 +0000
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:08 -0400
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 18:14 -0700
                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 19:29 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:46 -0700
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:09 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-25 06:24 +0000
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 02:31 -0400
                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-23 12:20 -0400
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:13 -0400
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-23 15:39 -0400
                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 15:52 -0400
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:58 +0000
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 16:11 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 22:12 +0000
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-23 16:02 -0400
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 16:09 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 20:25 +0000
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 16:34 -0400
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:43 -0700
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-03-24 09:09 -0400
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-03-24 20:10 +0000
                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 18:33 +0000
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 14:51 -0400
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:06 +0000
                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 15:26 -0400
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> - 2025-03-23 19:33 +0000
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:44 -0700
                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:11 -0400
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:47 -0700
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:11 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 18:13 -0700
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:57 -0400
                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:43 -0700
                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 22:54 -0400
                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:15 -0700
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:22 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:36 -0700
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 23:43 -0400
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 20:49 -0700
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:09 -0400
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 21:11 -0700
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:29 -0400
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Rudy Canoza <rc@j.kone.invalid> - 2025-03-25 02:32 -0400
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 02:41 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 18:27 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 16:55 -0700
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 20:08 -0400
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 17:10 -0700
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 20:21 -0400
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 23:11 -0700
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 02:50 -0400
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-05 16:06 -0400
                                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 16:17 -0400
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-04-05 20:42 -0400
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 07:42 -0400
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 08:07 -0700
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 15:44 -0400
                                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 12:46 -0700
                                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 15:59 -0400
                                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 13:11 -0700
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-07 08:57 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-05 15:49 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 16:16 -0400
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-06 01:26 +0000
                                                            Re: πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ πŸŒˆπŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸŒˆJenπŸŒˆπŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸŒˆ Dershmendenderer πŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸΆη¬›πŸŒˆπŸ’πŸŒ»πŸŒΊπŸŒΉπŸŒ»πŸ’πŸŒ·πŸŒΊπŸŒˆ <root@127.0.0.1>  - 2025-04-06 03:18 +0000
                                                              Re: πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-06 03:35 +0000
                                                                Re: πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆApple requires too much money and sacrifice of controlπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-06 04:31 +0000
                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-22 19:17 -0700
                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-23 03:15 +0000
                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-23 18:01 +1300
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-23 18:08 +1300
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-23 05:37 +0000
                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:45 -0700
                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 23:33 -0400
                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 14:46 -0700
                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:13 -0400
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:47 -0700
                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-25 00:52 +0000
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 17:59 -0700
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:48 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:43 -0700
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 22:28 -0400
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 19:44 -0700
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 08:43 -0400
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 08:48 -0400
                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 08:12 +0000
                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 04:20 -0400
                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 18:48 +0000
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 14:54 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-25 17:24 -0700
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 20:33 -0400
                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-25 18:03 -0700
                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 21:19 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 07:40 +0000
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-26 08:36 -0400
                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 20:15 +0000
                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-03-27 10:05 +1300
                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 17:43 -0400
                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-26 19:05 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 19:17 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-27 02:25 +0000
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 19:49 -0700
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-27 03:30 +0000
                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 11:57 -0400
                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 20:15 +0000
                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 16:18 -0400
                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 07:45 +0000
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-27 08:41 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 12:20 -0400
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 00:44 +0000
                                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 21:20 -0400
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-27 18:26 -0700
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 21:53 -0400
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-27 22:42 -0700
                                                                    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-28 01:45 -0400
                                                                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-28 07:50 +0000
                                                              Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 02:08 +0000
                                                                Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 22:16 -0400
                                                      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 12:06 -0400
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 18:11 +0000
                                                        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 00:43 +0000
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 21:18 -0400
                                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-28 08:26 -0400
                                          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 14:58 -0400
                                            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 15:13 -0400
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                  Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-21 20:33 -0400
    Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 00:00 -0400
      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:06 -0400
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-24 21:09 -0700
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 00:25 -0400
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 10:13 -0400
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 10:20 -0400
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 11:01 -0400
            Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 02:05 +0000
      Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 08:47 -0400
        Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> - 2025-03-25 10:35 -0400
          Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 10:41 -0400
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#193744 — Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-18 18:12 -0400
SubjectApple requires too much money and sacrifice of control
Message-ID<uorjtj1svg4iel6a1il22vrqbe394idovc@4ax.com>
A Mac mini would be $1400.  What I could build for that is
unbelievable.  Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK.  I
think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#193766

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-03-20 09:14 -0700
Message-ID<vrhet5$3jbl7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#193744
On 2025-03-18 15:12, Joel wrote:
> A Mac mini would be $1400.  What I could build for that is
> unbelievable.  Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK.  I
> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first.
> 

What do you do that you would need a Mac Mini configured to cost that much?

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#193767

FromCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
Date2025-03-20 12:23 -0400
Message-ID<XhXCP.3$541.2@fx47.iad>
In reply to#193766
On 2025-03-20 12:14, Alan wrote:
> On 2025-03-18 15:12, Joel wrote:
>> A Mac mini would be $1400.Β  What I could build for that is
>> unbelievable.Β  Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK.Β  I
>> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first.
>>
> 
> What do you do that you would need a Mac Mini configured to cost that much?

He draws penises near the mouths of celebrities on photos.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#193769

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-20 13:44 -0400
Message-ID<uukotjd7eahnvqsmj33ob574k4o5cv6p5o@4ax.com>
In reply to#193767
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>On 2025-03-20 12:14, Alan wrote:
>> On 2025-03-18 15:12, Joel wrote:

>>> A Mac mini would be $1400.Β  What I could build for that is
>>> unbelievable.Β  Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK.Β  I
>>> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first.
>> 
>> What do you do that you would need a Mac Mini configured to cost that much?
>
>He draws penises near the mouths of celebrities on photos.


No, but I am a celebrity whose mouth has been in a photo on a penis.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#193768

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-20 13:43 -0400
Message-ID<vmkotjl7qj0nsfb9f48pdk1p9godi0fa8b@4ax.com>
In reply to#193766
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>> A Mac mini would be $1400.  What I could build for that is
>> unbelievable.  Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK.  I
>> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first.
>
>What do you do that you would need a Mac Mini configured to cost that much?


I use the capacity of my CPU and RAM under Linux, it would only be
more burdened under macOS with needing to run WinARM in a VM, rather
than having native Wine with an x86-64 PC with Linux.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#193771

FromChris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-20 19:50 +0000
Message-ID<vrhri1$3udgs$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#193768
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>> A Mac mini would be $1400.  What I could build for that is
>>> unbelievable.  Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK.  I
>>> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first.
>> 
>> What do you do that you would need a Mac Mini configured to cost that much?
> 
> 
> I use the capacity of my CPU and RAM under Linux, it would only be
> more burdened under macOS with needing to run WinARM in a VM, rather
> than having native Wine with an x86-64 PC with Linux.

Then don't buy hardware (you can't afford?) that isn't suitable for your
workload. 

Note that WINE works on Arm Macs. No need for VMs if the you the software
works with WINE. 


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#193784

FromMikey <Mikey.Smith@aol.invalid>
Date2025-03-21 15:00 +0000
Message-ID<vrjutl$1pt8d$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#193771
On 2025-03-20, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> A Mac mini would be $1400.  What I could build for that is
>>>> unbelievable.  Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK.  I
>>>> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first.
>>> 
>>> What do you do that you would need a Mac Mini configured to cost that much?
>> 
>> 
>> I use the capacity of my CPU and RAM under Linux, it would only be
>> more burdened under macOS with needing to run WinARM in a VM, rather
>> than having native Wine with an x86-64 PC with Linux.
>
> Then don't buy hardware (you can't afford?) that isn't suitable for your
> workload. 
>
> Note that WINE works on Arm Macs. No need for VMs if the you the software
> works with WINE. 
>
>
>

MAC computers are designed for click and point users. Just sayin...

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#193793

Fromsnipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)
Date2025-03-21 19:59 +0000
Message-ID<1r9ka59.13epg0qjztlivN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>
In reply to#193784
Mikey <Mikey.Smith@aol.invalid> wrote:

> MAC computers are designed for click and point users. Just sayin...

Point first, *then* click, as any fool knows.

-- 
^Ï^.      Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS        My pet rock Gordon just is.

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#193794

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-21 16:45 -0400
Message-ID<ltjrtj57ccmluaq9alkgj39svsv0981vg2@4ax.com>
In reply to#193784
Mikey <Mikey.Smith@aol.invalid> wrote:

>MAC computers are designed for click and point users. Just sayin...


I would point out that the Unix underlying it is very powerful.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#193785

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-21 12:26 -0400
Message-ID<674rtj9bs5bruglae04i0ctop3crtg453i@4ax.com>
In reply to#193771
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> A Mac mini would be $1400.  What I could build for that is
>>>> unbelievable.  Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK.  I
>>>> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first.
>>> 
>>> What do you do that you would need a Mac Mini configured to cost that much?
>> 
>> I use the capacity of my CPU and RAM under Linux, it would only be
>> more burdened under macOS with needing to run WinARM in a VM, rather
>> than having native Wine with an x86-64 PC with Linux.
>
>Then don't buy hardware (you can't afford?) that isn't suitable for your
>workload. 


The point is that I should be able to afford a Mac mini that would
work for me, but they price the upgrades so high that it just tells us
they're a high-end brand name, not actually better than any other OS.


>Note that WINE works on Arm Macs. No need for VMs if the you the software
>works with WINE. 


I retract my previous comment, the support for x86 Windows raw code by
Rosetta 2 is something I would theoretically value, although
outweighed by the real cost of a new Mac system (changing my imagined
setup from using a VM to Wine has less impact on the demand than one
might think).

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#193798

FromChris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-21 23:53 +0000
Message-ID<vrku6b$2l4n2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#193785
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> A Mac mini would be $1400.  What I could build for that is
>>>>> unbelievable.  Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK.  I
>>>>> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first.
>>>> 
>>>> What do you do that you would need a Mac Mini configured to cost that much?
>>> 
>>> I use the capacity of my CPU and RAM under Linux, it would only be
>>> more burdened under macOS with needing to run WinARM in a VM, rather
>>> than having native Wine with an x86-64 PC with Linux.
>> 
>> Then don't buy hardware (you can't afford?) that isn't suitable for your
>> workload. 
> 
> 
> The point is that I should be able to afford a Mac mini that would
> work for me, 

Why?

> but they price the upgrades so high that it just tells us
> they're a high-end brand name, not actually better than any other OS.

That's not everyone's experience, but yeah Apple doesn't do cheap. 

> 
>> Note that WINE works on Arm Macs. No need for VMs if the you the software
>> works with WINE. 
> 
> 
> I retract my previous comment, the support for x86 Windows raw code by
> Rosetta 2 is something I would theoretically value, 

Not quite right. Rosetta 2 enables intel macos binaries to run on arm macos
through a one-time translation. 

Not sure whether wine needs rosetta to work on arm macs. 

> although
> outweighed by the real cost of a new Mac system (changing my imagined
> setup from using a VM to Wine has less impact on the demand than one
> might think).
> 


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#193799

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-21 20:00 -0400
Message-ID<p9vrtj5ffgtb691g2pe89iih94jahbedbp@4ax.com>
In reply to#193798
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> A Mac mini would be $1400.  What I could build for that is
>>>>>> unbelievable.  Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK.  I
>>>>>> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What do you do that you would need a Mac Mini configured to cost that much?
>>>> 
>>>> I use the capacity of my CPU and RAM under Linux, it would only be
>>>> more burdened under macOS with needing to run WinARM in a VM, rather
>>>> than having native Wine with an x86-64 PC with Linux.
>>> 
>>> Then don't buy hardware (you can't afford?) that isn't suitable for your
>>> workload. 
>> 
>> The point is that I should be able to afford a Mac mini that would
>> work for me, 
>
>Why?


If Apple wasn't a gimmick.


>> but they price the upgrades so high that it just tells us
>> they're a high-end brand name, not actually better than any other OS.
>
>That's not everyone's experience, but yeah Apple doesn't do cheap. 


Your experience with their OS may be fabulous, but I promise you Linux
is better than people think.


>>> Note that WINE works on Arm Macs. No need for VMs if the you the software
>>> works with WINE. 
>> 
>> I retract my previous comment, the support for x86 Windows raw code by
>> Rosetta 2 is something I would theoretically value, 
>
>Not quite right. Rosetta 2 enables intel macos binaries to run on arm macos
>through a one-time translation. 
>
>Not sure whether wine needs rosetta to work on arm macs. 


It said it does support running code under Wine through Rosetta 2.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#193800

FromJohnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz>
Date2025-03-21 20:27 -0400
Message-ID<xxxxxx-29171A.20270321032025@news.supernews.com>
In reply to#193799
In article <p9vrtj5ffgtb691g2pe89iih94jahbedbp@4ax.com>,
 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>>> A Mac mini would be $1400.  What I could build for that is
> >>>>>> unbelievable.  Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK.  I
> >>>>>> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> What do you do that you would need a Mac Mini configured to cost that 
> >>>>> much?
> >>>> 
> >>>> I use the capacity of my CPU and RAM under Linux, it would only be
> >>>> more burdened under macOS with needing to run WinARM in a VM, rather
> >>>> than having native Wine with an x86-64 PC with Linux.
> >>> 
> >>> Then don't buy hardware (you can't afford?) that isn't suitable for your
> >>> workload. 
> >> 
> >> The point is that I should be able to afford a Mac mini that would
> >> work for me, 
> >
> >Why?
> 
> 
> If Apple wasn't a gimmick.
> 
> 
> >> but they price the upgrades so high that it just tells us
> >> they're a high-end brand name, not actually better than any other OS.
> >
> >That's not everyone's experience, but yeah Apple doesn't do cheap. 
> 
> 
> Your experience with their OS may be fabulous, but I promise you Linux
> is better than people think.

Except that most people don't even know what "Linux" or "MacOS" or 
"Windows" are.   Most people are not computer geeks and have no desire 
to become one.  

So they run a Mac or a Dell or an HP.   "OS" has no meaning to most 
people.  

Linux is fun if you like to tinker with OSes.   Windows is fine if you 
need it for work.   Macs are easy to use and fit right in with iPhones 
and iPads.

But in general, most people have no real use for "computers" these days.  
A phone and a maybe tablet are really all most people need for personal, 
every day use.

So arguing about "how good (Linux/Mac/Windows) really is" is an argument 
that is years out of date. 

"I promise you Linux is better than people think" does not matter.  No 
one today cares.   I promise you that a Beta VCR was better than a VHS 
VCR.

No one cares today.

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#193802

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-03-22 00:45 +0000
Message-ID<m46fi5FcqfqU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#193800
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 20:27:03 -0400, Johnny LaRue wrote:

> So they run a Mac or a Dell or an HP.   "OS" has no meaning to most
> people.

It's rather hard to miss running on a Windows box. If nothing else the 
self-advertising popups will remind you. 

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#193973

FromJohnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz>
Date2025-03-25 19:57 -0400
Message-ID<xxxxxx-42E6D7.19571425032025@news.supernews.com>
In reply to#193802
In article <m46fi5FcqfqU3@mid.individual.net>,
 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 20:27:03 -0400, Johnny LaRue wrote:
> 
> > So they run a Mac or a Dell or an HP.   "OS" has no meaning to most
> > people.
> 
> It's rather hard to miss running on a Windows box. If nothing else the 
> self-advertising popups will remind you. 

Maybe.    They might see "Microsoft".  

But the point remains that most people have no idea what an "Operating 
System" is.   Because most people are not computer geeks.

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#193803

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-21 21:49 -0400
Message-ID<ti5stjdi99vtftupq0mumtdpb7hl037p9t@4ax.com>
In reply to#193800
Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> wrote:

>Linux is fun if you like to tinker with OSes.   Windows is fine if you 
>need it for work.   Macs are easy to use and fit right in with iPhones 
>and iPads.
>
>But in general, most people have no real use for "computers" these days.  
>A phone and a maybe tablet are really all most people need for personal, 
>every day use.
>
>So arguing about "how good (Linux/Mac/Windows) really is" is an argument 
>that is years out of date. 
>
>"I promise you Linux is better than people think" does not matter.  No 
>one today cares.   I promise you that a Beta VCR was better than a VHS 
>VCR.


If you don't want to learn anything, I get it.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#193807

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-03-21 22:29 -0700
Message-ID<vrlhrf$38sdl$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#193803
On 2025-03-21 18:49, Joel wrote:
> Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> wrote:
> 
>> Linux is fun if you like to tinker with OSes.   Windows is fine if you
>> need it for work.   Macs are easy to use and fit right in with iPhones
>> and iPads.
>>
>> But in general, most people have no real use for "computers" these days.
>> A phone and a maybe tablet are really all most people need for personal,
>> every day use.
>>
>> So arguing about "how good (Linux/Mac/Windows) really is" is an argument
>> that is years out of date.
>>
>> "I promise you Linux is better than people think" does not matter.  No
>> one today cares.   I promise you that a Beta VCR was better than a VHS
>> VCR.
> 
> 
> If you don't want to learn anything, I get it.
You really don't.

Do you want to know every detail of how to construct a car...

...or do you just want to drive one?

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#193817

FromJoel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-22 16:29 -0400
Message-ID<oc7utjt23s09ht537j4l61vnvebiejonj1@4ax.com>
In reply to#193807
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>> If you don't want to learn anything [by tinkering with Linux], I get it.
>You really don't.
>
>Do you want to know every detail of how to construct a car...
>
>...or do you just want to drive one?


I can have the best of both worlds, by mastering Linux for my needs.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#193974

FromJohnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz>
Date2025-03-25 19:59 -0400
Message-ID<xxxxxx-BE2CBE.19593625032025@news.supernews.com>
In reply to#193807
In article <vrlhrf$38sdl$5@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> 
wrote:

> On 2025-03-21 18:49, Joel wrote:
> > Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> wrote:
> > 
> >> Linux is fun if you like to tinker with OSes.   Windows is fine if you
> >> need it for work.   Macs are easy to use and fit right in with iPhones
> >> and iPads.
> >>
> >> But in general, most people have no real use for "computers" these days.
> >> A phone and a maybe tablet are really all most people need for personal,
> >> every day use.
> >>
> >> So arguing about "how good (Linux/Mac/Windows) really is" is an argument
> >> that is years out of date.
> >>
> >> "I promise you Linux is better than people think" does not matter.  No
> >> one today cares.   I promise you that a Beta VCR was better than a VHS
> >> VCR.
> > 
> > 
> > If you don't want to learn anything, I get it.
> You really don't.
> 
> Do you want to know every detail of how to construct a car...
> 
> ...or do you just want to drive one?

Exactly.   

Just because everyone reading this ARE computer geeks, does not mean 
that the whole world is made up of computer geeks.

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#193975

FromJohnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz>
Date2025-03-25 20:14 -0400
Message-ID<xxxxxx-24AC0C.20143225032025@news.supernews.com>
In reply to#193803
In article <ti5stjdi99vtftupq0mumtdpb7hl037p9t@4ax.com>,
 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> wrote:
> 
> >Linux is fun if you like to tinker with OSes.   Windows is fine if you 
> >need it for work.   Macs are easy to use and fit right in with iPhones 
> >and iPads.
> >
> >But in general, most people have no real use for "computers" these days.  
> >A phone and a maybe tablet are really all most people need for personal, 
> >every day use.
> >
> >So arguing about "how good (Linux/Mac/Windows) really is" is an argument 
> >that is years out of date. 
> >
> >"I promise you Linux is better than people think" does not matter.  No 
> >one today cares.   I promise you that a Beta VCR was better than a VHS 
> >VCR.
> 
> 
> If you don't want to learn anything, I get it.

Actually, there is nothing else that I need to know.   I have been 
using/running/programming computers since before you were born.
 
These days I just want them to work.   I am no longer interested in 
compiling the kernel to add a driver for a Microsoft Bus Mouse.

Yes, I actually did that in 1988 or so.  On Slackware Linux I think.   
Or maybe it was Coherent Unix.    

It's all just a Bad Memory now.

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