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| Started by | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| First post | 2025-08-11 19:48 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-08-18 10:04 -0700 |
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Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-11 19:48 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-11 20:38 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-11 22:16 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Rick <Rick@nospam.net> - 2025-08-12 09:56 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-12 09:59 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 06:58 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-11 17:28 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-12 01:01 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-12 01:34 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-08-12 19:26 +1200
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-12 20:59 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-12 21:22 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 14:40 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-12 21:41 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 15:22 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-12 23:06 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 06:58 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-13 07:21 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-08-13 19:06 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-13 15:51 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-13 21:21 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-13 14:55 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-13 18:38 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 04:43 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 10:41 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 22:19 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-13 18:32 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-13 15:37 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-14 08:30 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 17:41 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 10:44 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-08-14 18:48 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 19:36 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 12:49 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 08:59 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-14 16:07 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 13:16 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 20:43 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 14:07 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-08-15 08:46 +1200
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 17:11 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 10:16 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-15 11:14 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 21:13 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 10:11 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-15 10:25 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-15 11:19 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 14:55 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-15 12:01 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-15 16:38 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-15 13:48 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-15 16:37 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-08-16 10:04 +1200
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-16 13:37 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-16 22:37 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-16 15:50 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 06:45 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-18 08:06 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 09:53 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-18 08:03 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 11:19 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-18 08:24 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-18 17:23 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-08-18 19:57 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-19 11:00 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-18 15:43 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-18 15:45 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-08-18 13:26 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-19 10:54 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-18 21:58 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 20:04 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-08-18 09:52 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-08-16 18:35 +1200
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-16 15:38 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-18 08:27 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 10:16 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-08-15 08:44 +1200
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 14:07 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-14 18:12 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 17:06 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 04:42 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 08:23 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-08-14 16:00 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 17:42 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 10:44 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-08-14 18:46 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 22:47 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 16:20 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-14 23:47 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 23:54 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 17:04 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 14:47 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-08-14 15:55 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 17:40 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 10:44 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-08-14 18:45 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 08:29 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-15 14:06 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-15 10:13 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-15 14:06 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-15 11:31 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-16 03:12 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 20:53 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-16 03:12 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 09:36 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-16 15:37 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-17 01:16 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-12 09:18 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-12 09:43 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 07:02 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-12 13:49 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 11:07 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-12 15:50 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 14:37 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-12 19:17 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-12 19:17 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-13 07:36 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 07:25 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-18 08:23 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-18 15:42 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-08-18 10:04 -0700
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-14 17:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <107ltv3$psb1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197154 |
On 2025-08-14 13:46, Your Name wrote: > On 2025-08-14 20:07:31 +0000, -hh said: >> On 8/14/25 14:48, Jolly Roger wrote: >>> On 2025-08-14, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> You Apple trolls don't understand _why_ you're forced to charge >>>> overnight. >>> >>> You're the troll here. Nobody is forced to charge overnight. You act >>> like there's no other way to charge, when that is very clearly not the >>> case. >> >> Unfortunately, it is painfully obvious that they have no analytical >> background & experience in identifying/articulating operational >> requirements and deconstructing them into technical specifications. >> >> >>> Your troll is weak because you are a mental weakling. >> >> He's whining because his car didn't come with floor mats! /s >> >> >> -hh > > With modern cars I'd be more worried about the fact that many don't come > with an actual physical key and keyholes (including the ignition)! :-( > Given the increasing reliability of electronic devices, I'm less and less concerned about that. And I'm not sure it's really true that there is any car currently sold that doesn't have at least some kind of backup key.
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-15 10:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107n1df$129r3$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197165 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > On 2025-08-14 13:46, Your Name wrote: >> On 2025-08-14 20:07:31 +0000, -hh said: >>> On 8/14/25 14:48, Jolly Roger wrote: >>>> On 2025-08-14, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You Apple trolls don't understand _why_ you're forced to charge >>>>> overnight. >>>> >>>> You're the troll here. Nobody is forced to charge overnight. You act >>>> like there's no other way to charge, when that is very clearly not the >>>> case. >>> >>> Unfortunately, it is painfully obvious that they have no analytical >>> background & experience in identifying/articulating operational >>> requirements and deconstructing them into technical specifications. >>> >>> >>>> Your troll is weak because you are a mental weakling. >>> >>> He's whining because his car didn't come with floor mats! /s >>> >>> >>> -hh >> >> With modern cars I'd be more worried about the fact that many don't come >> with an actual physical key and keyholes (including the ignition)! :-( >> > > > Given the increasing reliability of electronic devices, I'm less and > less concerned about that. They have increased the risk of theft through relay attacks, however. > And I'm not sure it's really true that there is any car currently sold > that doesn't have at least some kind of backup key. I don't think EVs do.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-15 11:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <107nte1$18js4$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197173 |
On 2025-08-15 03:16, Chris wrote: > Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >> On 2025-08-14 13:46, Your Name wrote: >>> On 2025-08-14 20:07:31 +0000, -hh said: >>>> On 8/14/25 14:48, Jolly Roger wrote: >>>>> On 2025-08-14, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> You Apple trolls don't understand _why_ you're forced to charge >>>>>> overnight. >>>>> >>>>> You're the troll here. Nobody is forced to charge overnight. You act >>>>> like there's no other way to charge, when that is very clearly not the >>>>> case. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, it is painfully obvious that they have no analytical >>>> background & experience in identifying/articulating operational >>>> requirements and deconstructing them into technical specifications. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your troll is weak because you are a mental weakling. >>>> >>>> He's whining because his car didn't come with floor mats! /s >>>> >>>> >>>> -hh >>> >>> With modern cars I'd be more worried about the fact that many don't come >>> with an actual physical key and keyholes (including the ignition)! :-( >>> >> >> >> Given the increasing reliability of electronic devices, I'm less and >> less concerned about that. > > They have increased the risk of theft through relay attacks, however. Fair point. > >> And I'm not sure it's really true that there is any car currently sold >> that doesn't have at least some kind of backup key. > > I don't think EVs do. I know that at least one does: the Nissan Leaf. As does the Acura ZDX As does the Audi A6 e-tron As does the BMW i4 I could go on, but so far I haven't found a single EV where there isn't a backup, physical key... ...except the Teslas.
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-15 21:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107o7ti$1bqhh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197179 |
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > On 2025-08-15 03:16, Chris wrote: >> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>> On 2025-08-14 13:46, Your Name wrote: >>>> On 2025-08-14 20:07:31 +0000, -hh said: >>>>> On 8/14/25 14:48, Jolly Roger wrote: >>>>>> On 2025-08-14, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You Apple trolls don't understand _why_ you're forced to charge >>>>>>> overnight. >>>>>> >>>>>> You're the troll here. Nobody is forced to charge overnight. You act >>>>>> like there's no other way to charge, when that is very clearly not the >>>>>> case. >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately, it is painfully obvious that they have no analytical >>>>> background & experience in identifying/articulating operational >>>>> requirements and deconstructing them into technical specifications. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Your troll is weak because you are a mental weakling. >>>>> >>>>> He's whining because his car didn't come with floor mats! /s >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -hh >>>> >>>> With modern cars I'd be more worried about the fact that many don't come >>>> with an actual physical key and keyholes (including the ignition)! :-( >>>> >>> >>> >>> Given the increasing reliability of electronic devices, I'm less and >>> less concerned about that. >> >> They have increased the risk of theft through relay attacks, however. > > Fair point. > >> >>> And I'm not sure it's really true that there is any car currently sold >>> that doesn't have at least some kind of backup key. >> >> I don't think EVs do. > I know that at least one does: the Nissan Leaf. > > As does the Acura ZDX > > As does the Audi A6 e-tron > > As does the BMW i4 > > I could go on, but so far I haven't found a single EV where there isn't > a backup, physical key... > > ...except the Teslas. Ok. fair.
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-15 10:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107n14q$127tt$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197154 |
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > On 2025-08-14 20:07:31 +0000, -hh said: >> On 8/14/25 14:48, Jolly Roger wrote: >>> On 2025-08-14, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> You Apple trolls don't understand _why_ you're forced to charge >>>> overnight. >>> >>> You're the troll here. Nobody is forced to charge overnight. You act >>> like there's no other way to charge, when that is very clearly not the >>> case. >> >> Unfortunately, it is painfully obvious that they have no analytical >> background & experience in identifying/articulating operational >> requirements and deconstructing them into technical specifications. >> >> >>> Your troll is weak because you are a mental weakling. >> >> He's whining because his car didn't come with floor mats! /s >> >> >> -hh > > With modern cars I'd be more worried about the fact that many don't > come with an actual physical key and keyholes (including the ignition)! > :-( Or spare wheel! Although TBF, in 30 years of driving I've only ever had to use the spare three times.
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-15 10:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <107ng1g$153hc$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197171 |
On 8/15/25 06:11, Chris wrote: > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >> On 2025-08-14 20:07:31 +0000, -hh said: >>> On 8/14/25 14:48, Jolly Roger wrote: >>>> On 2025-08-14, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You Apple trolls don't understand _why_ you're forced to charge >>>>> overnight. >>>> >>>> You're the troll here. Nobody is forced to charge overnight. You act >>>> like there's no other way to charge, when that is very clearly not the >>>> case. >>> >>> Unfortunately, it is painfully obvious that they have no analytical >>> background & experience in identifying/articulating operational >>> requirements and deconstructing them into technical specifications. >>> >>> >>>> Your troll is weak because you are a mental weakling. >>> >>> He's whining because his car didn't come with floor mats! /s >>> >>> >>> -hh >> >> With modern cars I'd be more worried about the fact that many don't >> come with an actual physical key and keyholes (including the ignition)! >> :-( > > Or spare wheel! > > Although TBF, in 30 years of driving I've only ever had to use the spare > three times. I've had to use a backup key probably ~20 times a few years ago ... ...because as it turned out, the car battery was old and during winter cold snaps, its voltage would drop too low for the door lock system to be happy. When the cold snap ended, it would be fine again... It took a little while to figure out; finally replaced the car battery and everything was fine again. A quasi-related observation to this is that car keys are no longer waterproof. As such, driving someplace to go do a shore dive has one more thing to plan for. -hh
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-15 11:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <107ntmt$18js4$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197175 |
On 2025-08-15 07:25, -hh wrote: > On 8/15/25 06:11, Chris wrote: >> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>> On 2025-08-14 20:07:31 +0000, -hh said: >>>> On 8/14/25 14:48, Jolly Roger wrote: >>>>> On 2025-08-14, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> You Apple trolls don't understand _why_ you're forced to charge >>>>>> overnight. >>>>> >>>>> You're the troll here. Nobody is forced to charge overnight. You act >>>>> like there's no other way to charge, when that is very clearly not the >>>>> case. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, it is painfully obvious that they have no analytical >>>> background & experience in identifying/articulating operational >>>> requirements and deconstructing them into technical specifications. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your troll is weak because you are a mental weakling. >>>> >>>> He's whining because his car didn't come with floor mats! /s >>>> >>>> >>>> -hh >>> >>> With modern cars I'd be more worried about the fact that many don't >>> come with an actual physical key and keyholes (including the ignition)! >>> :-( >> >> Or spare wheel! >> >> Although TBF, in 30 years of driving I've only ever had to use the spare >> three times. > > I've had to use a backup key probably ~20 times a few years ago ... > > ...because as it turned out, the car battery was old and during winter > cold snaps, its voltage would drop too low for the door lock system to > be happy. When the cold snap ended, it would be fine again... > > It took a little while to figure out; finally replaced the car battery > and everything was fine again. > > A quasi-related observation to this is that car keys are no longer > waterproof. As such, driving someplace to go do a shore dive has one > more thing to plan for. I don't know about your specific vehicle, HH, but if your key fob has a physical backup key inside it (as my BMW 135i has) then you could only take the physical key with you when you dive, and simply leave the electronic portion inside the car. :-)
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| From | badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-15 14:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <107nvr6$19t1a$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197180 |
On 08/15/2025 14:19, Alan wrote: > I don't know about your specific vehicle, HH, but if your key fob has a > physical backup key inside it (as my BMW 135i has) then you could only > take the physical key with you when you dive, and simply leave the > electronic portion inside the car. Can you lock your car with the key fob inside?
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-15 12:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <107o063$19p3v$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197182 |
On 2025-08-15 11:55, badgolferman wrote: > On 08/15/2025 14:19, Alan wrote: >> I don't know about your specific vehicle, HH, but if your key fob has a >> physical backup key inside it (as my BMW 135i has) then you could only >> take the physical key with you when you dive, and simply leave the >> electronic portion inside the car. > > > Can you lock your car with the key fob inside? > With the physical key? Yes, of course.
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-15 16:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <107o5sc$1b7f8$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197183 |
On 8/15/25 15:01, Alan wrote: > On 2025-08-15 11:55, badgolferman wrote: >> On 08/15/2025 14:19, Alan wrote: >>> I don't know about your specific vehicle, HH, but if your key fob has a >>> physical backup key inside it (as my BMW 135i has) then you could only >>> take the physical key with you when you dive, and simply leave the >>> electronic portion inside the car. >> >> >> Can you lock your car with the key fob inside? >> > > With the physical key? Yes, of course. With the "keyless entry" systems, probably not. The key would have to have its RF signal blocked (Faraday pouch) so that the car's receiver believes that it isn't present. -hh
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-15 13:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <107o6eb$1b3oe$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197185 |
On 2025-08-15 13:38, -hh wrote: > On 8/15/25 15:01, Alan wrote: >> On 2025-08-15 11:55, badgolferman wrote: >>> On 08/15/2025 14:19, Alan wrote: >>>> I don't know about your specific vehicle, HH, but if your key fob has a >>>> physical backup key inside it (as my BMW 135i has) then you could only >>>> take the physical key with you when you dive, and simply leave the >>>> electronic portion inside the car. >>> >>> >>> Can you lock your car with the key fob inside? >>> >> >> With the physical key? Yes, of course. > > With the "keyless entry" systems, probably not. The key would have to > have its RF signal blocked (Faraday pouch) so that the car's receiver > believes that it isn't present. Not on mine. There is a procedure for doing it.
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-15 16:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <107o5q4$1b7f8$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197180 |
On 8/15/25 14:19, Alan wrote: > On 2025-08-15 07:25, -hh wrote: >> On 8/15/25 06:11, Chris wrote: >>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>>> On 2025-08-14 20:07:31 +0000, -hh said: >>>>> On 8/14/25 14:48, Jolly Roger wrote: >>>>>> On 2025-08-14, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You Apple trolls don't understand _why_ you're forced to charge >>>>>>> overnight. >>>>>> >>>>>> You're the troll here. Nobody is forced to charge overnight. You act >>>>>> like there's no other way to charge, when that is very clearly not >>>>>> the >>>>>> case. >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately, it is painfully obvious that they have no analytical >>>>> background & experience in identifying/articulating operational >>>>> requirements and deconstructing them into technical specifications. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Your troll is weak because you are a mental weakling. >>>>> >>>>> He's whining because his car didn't come with floor mats! /s >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -hh >>>> >>>> With modern cars I'd be more worried about the fact that many don't >>>> come with an actual physical key and keyholes (including the ignition)! >>>> :-( >>> >>> Or spare wheel! >>> >>> Although TBF, in 30 years of driving I've only ever had to use the spare >>> three times. >> >> I've had to use a backup key probably ~20 times a few years ago ... >> >> ...because as it turned out, the car battery was old and during winter >> cold snaps, its voltage would drop too low for the door lock system to >> be happy. When the cold snap ended, it would be fine again... >> >> It took a little while to figure out; finally replaced the car battery >> and everything was fine again. >> >> A quasi-related observation to this is that car keys are no longer >> waterproof. As such, driving someplace to go do a shore dive has one >> more thing to plan for. > > I don't know about your specific vehicle, HH, but if your key fob has a > physical backup key inside it (as my BMW 135i has) then you could only > take the physical key with you when you dive, and simply leave the > electronic portion inside the car. > > :-) I've contemplated that, as there is a physical door key that can be removed and to mechanically unlock a door. The dilemma is that I'd have to put the electronic fob portion into a Faraday pouch so that its not detected as present for the auto-unlock. Plus I've not looked to see if there's a countdown timer (alarm) for the electronic fob has to handshake with the car after a physical unlock. An easier solution is to bring along a bubblewatcher and have them hold the keys ;-) -hh
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-16 10:04 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <107oau3$1cepg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197184 |
On 2025-08-15 20:37:24 +0000, -hh said: > On 8/15/25 14:19, Alan wrote: >> On 2025-08-15 07:25, -hh wrote: >>> On 8/15/25 06:11, Chris wrote: >>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>>>> On 2025-08-14 20:07:31 +0000, -hh said: >>>>>> On 8/14/25 14:48, Jolly Roger wrote: >>>>>>> On 2025-08-14, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You Apple trolls don't understand _why_ you're forced to charge >>>>>>>> overnight. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You're the troll here. Nobody is forced to charge overnight. You act >>>>>>> like there's no other way to charge, when that is very clearly not the >>>>>>> case. >>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately, it is painfully obvious that they have no analytical >>>>>> background & experience in identifying/articulating operational >>>>>> requirements and deconstructing them into technical specifications. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Your troll is weak because you are a mental weakling. >>>>>> >>>>>> He's whining because his car didn't come with floor mats! /s >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -hh >>>>> >>>>> With modern cars I'd be more worried about the fact that many don't >>>>> come with an actual physical key and keyholes (including the ignition)! >>>>> :-( >>>> >>>> Or spare wheel! >>>> >>>> Although TBF, in 30 years of driving I've only ever had to use the spare >>>> three times. >>> >>> I've had to use a backup key probably ~20 times a few years ago ... >>> >>> ...because as it turned out, the car battery was old and during winter >>> cold snaps, its voltage would drop too low for the door lock system to >>> be happy. When the cold snap ended, it would be fine again... >>> >>> It took a little while to figure out; finally replaced the car battery >>> and everything was fine again. >>> >>> A quasi-related observation to this is that car keys are no longer >>> waterproof. As such, driving someplace to go do a shore dive has one >>> more thing to plan for. >> >> I don't know about your specific vehicle, HH, but if your key fob has a >> physical backup key inside it (as my BMW 135i has) then you could only >> take the physical key with you when you dive, and simply leave the >> electronic portion inside the car. >> >> :-) > > I've contemplated that, as there is a physical door key that can be > removed and to mechanically unlock a door. > > The dilemma is that I'd have to put the electronic fob portion into a > Faraday pouch so that its not detected as present for the auto-unlock. > > Plus I've not looked to see if there's a countdown timer (alarm) for > the electronic fob has to handshake with the car after a physical > unlock. > > An easier solution is to bring along a bubblewatcher and have them hold > the keys ;-) > > > -hh An even easier solution is to not going diving in the first place. :-p
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-16 13:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <107qflf$1r4gs$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197189 |
On 8/15/25 18:04, Your Name wrote:
> On 2025-08-15 20:37:24 +0000, -hh said:
>
>> On 8/15/25 14:19, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2025-08-15 07:25, -hh wrote:
>>>> On 8/15/25 06:11, Chris wrote:
>>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-08-14 20:07:31 +0000, -hh said:
>>>>>>> On 8/14/25 14:48, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-08-14, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You Apple trolls don't understand _why_ you're forced to charge
>>>>>>>>> overnight.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're the troll here. Nobody is forced to charge overnight. You
>>>>>>>> act
>>>>>>>> like there's no other way to charge, when that is very clearly
>>>>>>>> not the
>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, it is painfully obvious that they have no analytical
>>>>>>> background & experience in identifying/articulating operational
>>>>>>> requirements and deconstructing them into technical specifications.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your troll is weak because you are a mental weakling.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He's whining because his car didn't come with floor mats! /s
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With modern cars I'd be more worried about the fact that many don't
>>>>>> come with an actual physical key and keyholes (including the
>>>>>> ignition)!
>>>>>> :-(
>>>>>
>>>>> Or spare wheel!
>>>>>
>>>>> Although TBF, in 30 years of driving I've only ever had to use the
>>>>> spare
>>>>> three times.
>>>>
>>>> I've had to use a backup key probably ~20 times a few years ago ...
>>>>
>>>> ...because as it turned out, the car battery was old and during
>>>> winter cold snaps, its voltage would drop too low for the door lock
>>>> system to be happy. When the cold snap ended, it would be fine
>>>> again...
>>>>
>>>> It took a little while to figure out; finally replaced the car
>>>> battery and everything was fine again.
>>>>
>>>> A quasi-related observation to this is that car keys are no longer
>>>> waterproof. As such, driving someplace to go do a shore dive has
>>>> one more thing to plan for.
>>>
>>> I don't know about your specific vehicle, HH, but if your key fob has
>>> a physical backup key inside it (as my BMW 135i has) then you could
>>> only take the physical key with you when you dive, and simply leave
>>> the electronic portion inside the car.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> I've contemplated that, as there is a physical door key that can be
>> removed and to mechanically unlock a door.
>>
>> The dilemma is that I'd have to put the electronic fob portion into a
>> Faraday pouch so that its not detected as present for the auto-unlock.
>>
>> Plus I've not looked to see if there's a countdown timer (alarm) for
>> the electronic fob has to handshake with the car after a physical unlock.
>>
>> An easier solution is to bring along a bubblewatcher and have them
>> hold the keys ;-)
>>
>>
>> -hh
>
> An even easier solution is to not going diving in the first place. :-p
Well, yes, "doing nothing" is always an option. Just one that's not as
entertaining or enjoyable. That leaves one's options down to just
trolling newsgroups, e.g.
+------------------------+----------------+
| Item | Cost |
+------------------------+----------------+
| iPhone | $267 |
| Sales Tax | $25 |
| Accessories | $0 |
| Storage Upgrade | $0 |
| AppleCare+ (4 years) | $0 |
| Repair Deductibles | $0 |
+------------------------+----------------+
| Total Cost | $292 |
| Trade-In Value | -$50 |
+------------------------+----------------+
| Net Cost Over 4 Years | $242, or $60/yr |
+------------------------+----------------+
-hh
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-16 22:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107r173$2ckp$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #197196 |
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 13:37:51 -0400, -hh wrote : > +------------------------+----------------+ > | Item | Cost | > +------------------------+----------------+ > | iPhone | $267 | > | Sales Tax | $25 | > | Accessories | $0 | > | Storage Upgrade | $0 | > | AppleCare+ (4 years) | $0 | > | Repair Deductibles | $0 | > +------------------------+----------------+ > | Total Cost | $292 | > | Trade-In Value | -$50 | > +------------------------+----------------+ > | Net Cost Over 4 Years | $242, or $60/yr | > +------------------------+----------------+ Thanks for supplying real-world numbers for your total cost of ownership. In order for us to better understand your math, you may need to more completely explain what iPhone & when & how was it $267 total initial cost.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-16 15:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <107r201$1vkld$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197197 |
On 2025-08-16 15:37, Marion wrote: > On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 13:37:51 -0400, -hh wrote : > > >> +------------------------+----------------+ >> | Item | Cost | >> +------------------------+----------------+ >> | iPhone | $267 | >> | Sales Tax | $25 | >> | Accessories | $0 | >> | Storage Upgrade | $0 | >> | AppleCare+ (4 years) | $0 | >> | Repair Deductibles | $0 | >> +------------------------+----------------+ >> | Total Cost | $292 | >> | Trade-In Value | -$50 | >> +------------------------+----------------+ >> | Net Cost Over 4 Years | $242, or $60/yr | >> +------------------------+----------------+ > > Thanks for supplying real-world numbers for your total cost of ownership. > > In order for us to better understand your math, you may need to more > completely explain what iPhone & when & how was it $267 total initial cost. Will you be explaining why you included "Accessories" as a cost in your calculation?
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| From | badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-18 06:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <107v081$307uv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197196 |
On 08/16/2025 13:37, -hh wrote: > | Item | Cost | > +------------------------+----------------+ > | iPhone | $267 | Which *new* iPhone is $267?
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-18 08:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <107v4va$2lpv9$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197209 |
On 8/18/25 06:45, badgolferman wrote: > On 08/16/2025 13:37, -hh wrote: >> | Item | Cost | >> +------------------------+----------------+ >> | iPhone | $267 | > > > Which *new* iPhone is $267? Who said it had to be nothing less than *new*? When looking around for deals, there's many options. For example, in the 'new' lane, I personally include open box & refurbished as well as discontinued (eg. prior year's model). Think of it as similar to car shopping by considering demos/loaners, leftovers off the lot, etc. For a very simple example, check Apple's website for certified refurbs. For example, despite inventory being quite thin, they nevertheless have inventory on a 128GB 14 Pro for $679 (discounted from $899). In any event, the above purchase was for a backup phone, in case one of our daily drivers happens to die, as it was an excellent price find and effectively costs less than buying insurance. -hh
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| From | badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-18 09:53 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <107vb8b$33fb6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197211 |
On 08/18/2025 08:06, -hh wrote: > On 8/18/25 06:45, badgolferman wrote: >> On 08/16/2025 13:37, -hh wrote: >>> | Item | Cost | >>> +------------------------+----------------+ >>> | iPhone | $267 | >> >> >> Which *new* iPhone is $267? > > Who said it had to be nothing less than *new*? > > When looking around for deals, there's many options. For example, in > the 'new' lane, I personally include open box & refurbished as well as > discontinued (eg. prior year's model). Think of it as similar to car > shopping by considering demos/loaners, leftovers off the lot, etc. > > For a very simple example, check Apple's website for certified refurbs. > For example, despite inventory being quite thin, they nevertheless have > inventory on a 128GB 14 Pro for $679 (discounted from $899). > > In any event, the above purchase was for a backup phone, in case one of > our daily drivers happens to die, as it was an excellent price find and > effectively costs less than buying insurance. > > > -hh I see. So you have effectively changed the playing field to make Arlen's numbers look bad.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-18 08:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <107vfc9$351jr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197213 |
On 2025-08-18 06:53, badgolferman wrote: > On 08/18/2025 08:06, -hh wrote: >> On 8/18/25 06:45, badgolferman wrote: >>> On 08/16/2025 13:37, -hh wrote: >>>> | Item | Cost | >>>> +------------------------+----------------+ >>>> | iPhone | $267 | >>> >>> >>> Which *new* iPhone is $267? >> >> Who said it had to be nothing less than *new*? >> >> When looking around for deals, there's many options. For example, in >> the 'new' lane, I personally include open box & refurbished as well as >> discontinued (eg. prior year's model). Think of it as similar to car >> shopping by considering demos/loaners, leftovers off the lot, etc. >> >> For a very simple example, check Apple's website for certified refurbs. >> For example, despite inventory being quite thin, they nevertheless have >> inventory on a 128GB 14 Pro for $679 (discounted from $899). >> >> In any event, the above purchase was for a backup phone, in case one of >> our daily drivers happens to die, as it was an excellent price find and >> effectively costs less than buying insurance. >> >> >> -hh > > > I see. So you have effectively changed the playing field to make > Arlen's numbers look bad. I notice you haven't weight in about Arlen "changing the playing field" by counting accessories like cases and screen protectors as a part of the cost of the iPhone... ...but of his phone.
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