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| Started by | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| First post | 2025-08-11 19:48 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-08-18 10:04 -0700 |
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Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-11 19:48 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-11 20:38 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-11 22:16 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Rick <Rick@nospam.net> - 2025-08-12 09:56 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-12 09:59 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 06:58 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-11 17:28 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-12 01:01 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-12 01:34 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-08-12 19:26 +1200
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-12 20:59 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-12 21:22 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 14:40 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-12 21:41 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 15:22 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-12 23:06 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 06:58 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-13 07:21 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-08-13 19:06 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-13 15:51 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-13 21:21 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-13 14:55 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-13 18:38 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 04:43 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 10:41 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 22:19 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-13 18:32 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-13 15:37 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-14 08:30 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 17:41 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 10:44 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-08-14 18:48 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 19:36 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 12:49 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 08:59 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-14 16:07 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 13:16 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 20:43 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 14:07 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-08-15 08:46 +1200
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 17:11 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 10:16 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-15 11:14 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 21:13 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 10:11 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-15 10:25 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-15 11:19 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 14:55 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-15 12:01 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-15 16:38 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-15 13:48 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-15 16:37 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-08-16 10:04 +1200
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-16 13:37 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-16 22:37 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-16 15:50 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 06:45 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-18 08:06 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 09:53 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-18 08:03 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 11:19 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-18 08:24 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-18 17:23 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-08-18 19:57 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-19 11:00 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-18 15:43 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-18 15:45 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-08-18 13:26 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-19 10:54 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-18 21:58 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 20:04 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-08-18 09:52 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-08-16 18:35 +1200
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-16 15:38 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-18 08:27 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 10:16 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-08-15 08:44 +1200
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 14:07 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-14 18:12 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 17:06 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 04:42 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 08:23 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-08-14 16:00 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 17:42 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 10:44 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-08-14 18:46 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 22:47 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 16:20 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-14 23:47 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 23:54 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 17:04 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 14:47 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-08-14 15:55 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 17:40 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 10:44 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-08-14 18:45 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 08:29 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-15 14:06 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-15 10:13 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-15 14:06 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-15 11:31 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-16 03:12 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 20:53 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-16 03:12 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 09:36 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-16 15:37 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-17 01:16 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-12 09:18 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-12 09:43 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 07:02 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-12 13:49 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 11:07 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-12 15:50 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-12 14:37 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-12 19:17 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-12 19:17 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-13 07:36 -0700
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 07:25 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-18 08:23 -0400
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-18 15:42 +0000
Re: Thought Question: How many times do Apple owners buy each iPhone? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-08-18 10:04 -0700
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| From | badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-18 11:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <107vgar$34rvd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197214 |
On 08/18/2025 11:03, Alan wrote: >> >> I see. So you have effectively changed the playing field to make >> Arlen's numbers look bad. > > I notice you haven't weight in about Arlen "changing the playing field" > by counting accessories like cases and screen protectors as a part of > the cost of the iPhone... > > ...but of his phone. Those are accessories which many people have and are not a significant factor in the overall cost. What hh did was substitute a used phone for a new phone. That is not a like comparison.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-18 08:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <107vgjv$35ecg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197215 |
On 2025-08-18 08:19, badgolferman wrote: > On 08/18/2025 11:03, Alan wrote: >>> >>> I see. So you have effectively changed the playing field to make >>> Arlen's numbers look bad. >> >> I notice you haven't weight in about Arlen "changing the playing field" >> by counting accessories like cases and screen protectors as a part of >> the cost of the iPhone... >> >> ...but of his phone. > > Those are accessories which many people have and are not a significant > factor in the overall cost. What hh did was substitute a used phone for > a new phone. That is not a like comparison. Actually, he made the accessories as much as 20% of the cost of the phone itself. And he didn't calculate the cost of his phone with those accessories added. That's not a like comparison either, correct?
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-18 17:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107vnin$ak6$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #197215 |
On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 11:19:54 -0400, badgolferman wrote :
>>> I see. So you have effectively changed the playing field to make
>>> Arlen's numbers look bad.
>>
>> I notice you haven't weight in about Arlen "changing the playing field"
>> by counting accessories like cases and screen protectors as a part of
>> the cost of the iPhone...
>>
>> ...but of his phone.
>
> Those are accessories which many people have and are not a significant
> factor in the overall cost. What hh did was substitute a used phone for
> a new phone. That is not a like comparison.
This is a good discussion as it's important to understand how many times
you end up buying each iPhone in order to comprehend Apple's strategy.
I'm not afraid of the math.
People are welcome to refute the math using reasonable logic.
Like -hh did & like Chris did, all they need to do is supply their math.
If their math is reasonable, then we should all be able to accept it.
While there's nothing wrong with getting a used iPhones, this discussion
had naturally assumed a new iPhone, but we could discuss -hh's phone too.
I simply ask -hh to be transparent in what the iPhone was & its storage.
I was certainly transparent in how I had calculated the ownership costs,
where we note this is just hardware. We didn't count software subscriptions
Note also that we're not comparing iOS to Android here, so it doesn't
matter what my costs were for my Androids - just my costs for my iPhones.
Also note that the cost of iPhone storage is always going to be
phenomenally more expensive than for phones that have sd slots, simply
because of the universal need to purchase 5 years of rather super expensive
iPhone storage up front instead of when you need it. (Apple isn't stupid.)
But that's included in three of the numbers already (e.g., in the original
cost and original tax plus perhaps, if we're lucky, in the trade-in value).
In addition, almost everyone buys a case, while I'm not sure how many buy a
screen protector (I put them on all my devices and I break them a lot).
However, a lot of people do buy AppleCare+ because an iPhone repair is
expensive, but so is AppleCare+ (especially as it has deductibles).
Overall, I listed the hardware that is commonly purchased.
If others want to put "zero dollars" for some items, that's fine.
As long as they are transparent about the true costs, it's valid to do so.
+-----------------------+-----+
| iPhone | $? |
| Sales Tax (CA ~10%) | $? |
| Accessories | $? |
| Storage Upgrade | $? |
| AppleCare+ (4 years) | $? |
| Repair Deductibles | $? |
+------------------------+----+
| Total Cost | $? |
| Trade-In Value | -$? |
+-----------------------+-----+
| Net Cost Over 4 Years | $? |
+-----------------------+-----+
Q: How many times do you buy each iPhone that you own?
A: ?
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| From | sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-18 19:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1080p75$3gn8l$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197215 |
On 8/18/2025 8:19 AM, badgolferman wrote: <snip> > Those are accessories which many people have and are not a significant > factor in the overall cost. What hh did was substitute a used phone for > a new phone. That is not a like comparison. Yeah, comparing a used iPhone to a new Android phone is pretty dishonest. Many of the accessories people will already have, other than perhaps the case for a new phone, but the prices on those accessories are similar for iPhone and Android, especially now that Apple has moved to USB-C from Lightning.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-19 11:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1081lg3$2njd$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #197228 |
On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 19:57:41 -0700, sms wrote : >> Those are accessories which many people have and are not a significant >> factor in the overall cost. What hh did was substitute a used phone for >> a new phone. That is not a like comparison. > Yeah, comparing a used iPhone to a new Android phone is pretty dishonest. > > Many of the accessories people will already have, other than perhaps the > case for a new phone, but the prices on those accessories are similar > for iPhone and Android, especially now that Apple has moved to USB-C > from Lightning. Nobody but the Apple trolls is comparing the iPhone to Android in this thread, which is only about how many times you buy that same iPhone. The main question is whether you buy the iPhone 1-1/2 times... or twice. More "accessories" are needed for iPhones simply because all iPhones lack most basic functionality which you then have to scramble to buy back. For example, you have to scramble to account for the missing aux jack. Apple isn't stupid. Apple knows they make more money by limiting your choices on accessories. Apple also knows by limiting your choices on storage, you pay far more. There's a lesson to be learned here... Add up your subscription costs and that 1-1/2 iPhone cost goes up to 2X. Hence... The main reason Apple is so profitable is you buy every iPhone ~twice.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-18 15:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107vhma$rfl$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #197213 |
On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 09:53:15 -0400, badgolferman wrote : >> For a very simple example, check Apple's website for certified refurbs. >> For example, despite inventory being quite thin, they nevertheless have >> inventory on a 128GB 14 Pro for $679 (discounted from $899). >> >> In any event, the above purchase was for a backup phone, in case one of >> our daily drivers happens to die, as it was an excellent price find and >> effectively costs less than buying insurance. >> >> -hh > > I see. So you have effectively changed the playing field The whole point of this question was to discuss thoughtfully what the true cost of iPhone ownership is, which I believe is well over 1-1/2 MSRP. As you are aware, I own iPads & iPhones (although my kids use them more than I do lately) so I'm well aware Apple's "milking" strategy. Without the sdslot, for example, Apple has already forced us to start off paying *hundreds* extra for storage we haven't even begun to use yet. Without the aux port, we have to pay exorbitant costs to replace it. It's part of Apple's strategy of removing functionality we then buy back. The biggest fear Apple foists upon hapless owners is the fear of the expense of the battery or screen breaking where people pay for AppleCare+. The costs I provided were reasonable, some of which would also be reasonable for an Android phone (such as the protective screen & case). I'm not afraid of the math. People are welcome to refute the math using reasonable logic. While I commend -hh for finding a refurb iPhone for $267, the spirit of this conversation was about a new phone, with generous trade-in allowed. Still, -hh is to be commended, as Steve would be overjoyed with his acumen at finding "the best deal" for an iPhone (but I'd like to know the model). +-------------------------------+ | iPhone | $267 | | Sales Tax | $25 | | Accessories | $0 | | Storage Upgrade | $0 | | AppleCare+ (4 years) | $0 | | Repair Deductibles | $0 | +------------------------+------+ | Total Cost | $292 | | Trade-In Value | -$50 | +------------------------+------+ | Net Cost Over 4 Years | $242 | +------------------------+------+ For -hh to answer: Q: What model iPhone & how much storage does it have? A: ?
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-18 15:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <107vvs4$36r2d$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197213 |
On 8/18/25 09:53, badgolferman wrote: > On 08/18/2025 08:06, -hh wrote: >> On 8/18/25 06:45, badgolferman wrote: >>> On 08/16/2025 13:37, -hh wrote: >>>> | Item | Cost | >>>> +------------------------+----------------+ >>>> | iPhone | $267 | >>> >>> >>> Which *new* iPhone is $267? >> >> Who said it had to be nothing less than *new*? >> >> When looking around for deals, there's many options. For example, in >> the 'new' lane, I personally include open box & refurbished as well as >> discontinued (eg. prior year's model). Think of it as similar to car >> shopping by considering demos/loaners, leftovers off the lot, etc. >> >> For a very simple example, check Apple's website for certified refurbs. >> For example, despite inventory being quite thin, they nevertheless have >> inventory on a 128GB 14 Pro for $679 (discounted from $899). >> >> In any event, the above purchase was for a backup phone, in case one of >> our daily drivers happens to die, as it was an excellent price find and >> effectively costs less than buying insurance. >> >> >> -hh > > > I see. So you have effectively changed the playing field to make > Arlen's numbers look bad. Nope, for there never was an actual stipulation that the hardware had to be new, which is what I noted when I pointed out more an alternative. Plus in addition to what I mentioned that anyone can use, an individual may also have discounts from various affiliations. Because its been obvious from the start that Arlen has deliberately been trying to selectively cherrypick & inlate costs so as to make Apple appear as expensive as possible. For example, having insurance *and* accessories *and* be broken to need repairs. Plus just where did his $1000 MSRP come from? Because Apple's latest iPhone is the 16, and its starting MSRP is $799, not $1000 as claimed. And before you say "oh, because for more memory"...look again: there's +$300 listed in his budget for that, making it a $1300 phone. And sure, Apple does make high end models which can hit this price, but did Arlen disclose that? Nope: he said "iPhone", not Pro/Max/etc. So just who's _really_ being dishonest here, hmmmm? So should I then say: "I see that you were silent as Arlen unfairly tilted the field...". -hh
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| From | sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-18 13:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <108029l$3b4m3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197224 |
On 8/18/2025 12:45 PM, -hh wrote: <snip> > So just who's _really_ being dishonest here, hmmmm? Comparing a used iPhone to a new Android phone is pretty lame. BTW there are multiple sources for _new_ iPhones at pretty low prices, but not the latest models. I.e. you can get a new iPhone 13 for a net cost of about $165 from Total Wireless. The phone is "free" but you need to pay for three months of service at about $165 including taxes and fees. Unlocked after 60 days, then take it to where-ever, the best deal right now appears to be U.S. Mobile, where you can choose AT&T, T-Mobile, or Verizon (I suspect that no one chooses T-Mobile, since there is no off-network roaming included on any of the carriers and T-Mobile's native network is much smaller). Verizon is trying hard to get out of the 60 day unlocking requirement.
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-19 10:54 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <108237i$36r2d$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197226 |
On 8/18/25 16:26, sms wrote: > On 8/18/2025 12:45 PM, -hh wrote: > > <snip> > >> So just who's _really_ being dishonest here, hmmmm? > > Comparing a used iPhone to a new Android phone is pretty lame. Not necessarily. First, the rules weren't stipulated that only the newest & latest model was required. Note also part of what you snipped, namely that Arlen grossly inflated their claimed price to be $1300. Second, since their focus has been just on cost minimization, then all alternatives to buying only the newest shiny are in consideration for real consumers...which includes buying last year's models & refurbished or open box shouldn't logically be excluded from consideration too. > BTW there are multiple sources for _new_ iPhones at pretty low prices, > but not the latest models. Precisely, as well as the 'economy' models too. Prices from Apple's website today: new 16 .. $799 new 15 .. $699 new 16e .. $599 refurb 15 .. not available available from Apple; $506 on Amazon. refurb 14 .. not presently available from Apple; $349 on Amazon. refurb 14 pro .. $679 in stock at Apple (but $490 on Amazon). And so on; refurbs vary by supplier in terms of extensiveness. Apple's include a new battery, new exterior case & a warranty. > I.e. you can get a new iPhone 13 for a net cost of about $165 from Total > Wireless. The phone is "free" but you need to pay for three months of > service at about $165 including taxes and fees.> > Unlocked after 60 days, then take it to where-ever, the best deal right > now appears to be U.S. Mobile, where you can choose AT&T, T-Mobile, or > Verizon (I suspect that no one chooses T-Mobile, since there is no off- > network roaming included on any of the carriers and T-Mobile's native > network is much smaller). Yet another option for the value-conscious shopper to consider too. > Verizon is trying hard to get out of the 60 day unlocking requirement. Yup, as well as to raise service costs...lots of customer angst over loyalty discount games right now. In the big picture, the service provider's rates (and what one actually gets for it) can easily overshadow the simple cost of the smartphone hardware, so one needs to have care to not focus attention the wrong part of the cost equation. -hh
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-18 21:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10807n3$aul$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #197224 |
On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 15:45:08 -0400, -hh wrote : > And sure, Apple does make high end models which can hit this price, but > did Arlen disclose that? Nope: he said "iPhone", not Pro/Max/etc. I think it's great -hh bought an iPhone for $267 which I applaud. A phone isn't worth a thousand bucks. Hell, it's not even worth ~300 bucks. So you got a good deal. We're all happy for you. I'm even happy you brought used phones into the equation even as it was obvious from the context that we were discussing new phone ownership cost. As long as we're being transparent on real total costs of ownership. Remember, people like Steve have been "claiming" wondrously inexpensive total costs of ownership for the iPhone which they've never backed up. For years, Steve gave bogus numbers which ignored all the real costs. That's why I was completely transparent in the numbers. I added tax. I subtracted trade-in value. I provided a cost for a case & screen & bluetooth headphones & USB stick. I even put a line item for a major & minor repair within AppleCare+ costs. I was completely transparent on the math. And the iPhone came out costing only 1-1/2 times what you paid for it. Which is way better than I had thought the TCO would come out to be. But you may have *different* total cost of ownership numbers to share. I'm not afraid of the math. If you don't like the numbers, you're welcome to tell us what yours are. Just don't ignore true costs (e.g., tax & insurance and/or accessories that are necessary because the iPhone lacks most basic hardware capabilities).
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-18 20:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10800vk$3ash1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197213 |
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote: > On 08/18/2025 08:06, -hh wrote: >> On 8/18/25 06:45, badgolferman wrote: >>> On 08/16/2025 13:37, -hh wrote: >>>> | Item | Cost | >>>> +------------------------+----------------+ >>>> | iPhone | $267 | >>> >>> >>> Which *new* iPhone is $267? >> >> Who said it had to be nothing less than *new*? >> >> When looking around for deals, there's many options. For example, in >> the 'new' lane, I personally include open box & refurbished as well as >> discontinued (eg. prior year's model). Think of it as similar to car >> shopping by considering demos/loaners, leftovers off the lot, etc. >> >> For a very simple example, check Apple's website for certified refurbs. >> For example, despite inventory being quite thin, they nevertheless have >> inventory on a 128GB 14 Pro for $679 (discounted from $899). >> >> In any event, the above purchase was for a backup phone, in case one of >> our daily drivers happens to die, as it was an excellent price find and >> effectively costs less than buying insurance. >> >> >> -hh > > > I see. So you have effectively changed the playing field to make > Arlen's numbers look bad. I mean, he keeps claiming he got his phones for free so hh's $267 is pretty expensive.
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| From | sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-18 09:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <107vlp7$377hk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197209 |
On 8/18/2025 3:45 AM, badgolferman wrote: > On 08/16/2025 13:37, -hh wrote: >> | Item | Cost | >> +------------------------+----------------+ >> | iPhone | $267 | > > > Which *new* iPhone is $267? With a carrier subsidy that's possible, especially on older models. But obviously no new iPhone, bought at full price directly from Apple, will be $267, Total by Verizon still has a "free" iPhone 13 with three months of service for $155 total, and it's unlocked after 60 days. Or a 14 Plus for $199, with 60 days of activation on any plan, so essentially $279. Last iPhone I bought was an iPhone 11 in 2022. It was $299, from Total by Verizon, but there was a $150 subsidy so I paid $149.99. <i.imgur.com/IqCsthG.png>. Unlocked 60 days after activation. First iPhone I bought, a 6sPlus was $299.99, from Cricket, with a $100 subsidy so I paid $199.99. <i.imgur.com/unG1ZOT.png>. Unlocked one year after activation. I wanted the last iPhone prior to Apple decontenting the headphone jack, even though the 7, 8, SE, and Xs & Xr were already available in December 2018. I still use the 11 occasionally, though the battery is deteriorating, it's at 85% capacity. Oddly, my 6s Plus, now approaching 7 years old, still has a very good battery, 96% capacity. I think that the issue is that the iPhone 11 has the Intel modem which was a battery hog, 30% less efficient. If I am in Canada in the near future I'll likely buy an iPhone 16 Pro at full price. I need a phone with a physical SIM card slot and the U.S. iPhones don't have one. I'd give up mmWave though, which is too bad, but not a dealbreaker.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-16 18:35 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <107p8rl$1ic4l$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197175 |
On 8/15/25 06:11, Chris wrote: > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >> On 2025-08-14 20:07:31 +0000, -hh said: >>> On 8/14/25 14:48, Jolly Roger wrote: >>>> On 2025-08-14, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You Apple trolls don't understand _why_ you're forced to charge >>>>> overnight. >>>> >>>> You're the troll here. Nobody is forced to charge overnight. You act >>>> like there's no other way to charge, when that is very clearly not the >>>> case. >>> >>> Unfortunately, it is painfully obvious that they have no analytical >>> background & experience in identifying/articulating operational >>> requirements and deconstructing them into technical specifications. >>> >>> >>>> Your troll is weak because you are a mental weakling. >>> >>> He's whining because his car didn't come with floor mats! /s >>> >>> >>> -hh >> >> With modern cars I'd be more worried about the fact that many don't >> come with an actual physical key and keyholes (including the ignition)! >> :-( > > Or spare wheel! Yep. There should ALWAYS be a proper, full-size spare wheel (not the silly smaller "space-saver"). The sole reason car makers stopped putting spare wheels in was to lower the weight so they could cheat the emissions and efficiency tests. X-( > Although TBF, in 30 years of driving I've only ever had to use the spare > three times. Far better to have one and rarely need it, than to not have one at all when you do need it.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-16 15:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107q8lr$2u2p$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #197192 |
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 18:35:33 +1200, Your Name wrote :
>> Or spare wheel!
>
> Yep. There should ALWAYS be a proper, full-size spare wheel (not the
> silly smaller "space-saver"). The sole reason car makers stopped
> putting spare wheels in was to lower the weight so they could cheat the
> emissions and efficiency tests. X-(
>
>> Although TBF, in 30 years of driving I've only ever had to use the spare
>> three times.
>
> Far better to have one and rarely need it, than to not have one at all
> when you do need it.
Agree on the full-size spare tire/wheel assembly where I've taught my kids
who to change tires before I taught them how to drive (although, by law,
it's illegal to teach your kid to drive in California for their first
drive).
They do have a tough time with the size of SUV wheels nowadays, where even
I lately have had to lay on the ground and lift them up with my thigh and
hands to place them on the wheel lugs (where the bimmer has just holes
which make it even harder without an alignment pin handily available).
I taught them all how to break the bead, patchplug the insides, mount the
carcass back on the rim and balance on the static balancer.
The girls hate it. The boys tolerate the lessons. Which is kind of like
what is happening here as I try to teach you Apple trolls about Apple.
Back to the topic, it's pretty clear that you pay from 1-1/2 times the cost
of your iPhone to almost twice the cost just to equip and maintain it.
Why do you think iPhones cost so much to maintain compared to Android?
Do you think this math is wrong?
What would you change to make the math more correct?
+------------------------+----------------+
| Item | Cost |
+------------------------+----------------+
| iPhone | $1,000 |
| Sales Tax (CA ~10%) | $100 |
| Accessories | $150 |
| Storage Upgrade | $300 |
| AppleCare+ (4 years) | $384 to $552 |
| Repair Deductibles | $140 |
+------------------------+----------------+
| Total Cost | $2,074 to $2,242|
| Trade-In Value | -$500 |
+------------------------+----------------+
| Net Cost Over 4 Years | $1,574 to $1,742|
+------------------------+----------------+
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-18 08:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <107vgo5$35ecg$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197192 |
On 2025-08-15 23:35, Your Name wrote: > On 8/15/25 06:11, Chris wrote: >> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>> On 2025-08-14 20:07:31 +0000, -hh said: >>>> On 8/14/25 14:48, Jolly Roger wrote: >>>>> On 2025-08-14, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> You Apple trolls don't understand _why_ you're forced to charge >>>>>> overnight. >>>>> >>>>> You're the troll here. Nobody is forced to charge overnight. You act >>>>> like there's no other way to charge, when that is very clearly not the >>>>> case. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, it is painfully obvious that they have no analytical >>>> background & experience in identifying/articulating operational >>>> requirements and deconstructing them into technical specifications. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your troll is weak because you are a mental weakling. >>>> >>>> He's whining because his car didn't come with floor mats! /s >>>> >>>> >>>> -hh >>> >>> With modern cars I'd be more worried about the fact that many don't >>> come with an actual physical key and keyholes (including the ignition)! >>> :-( >> >> Or spare wheel! > > Yep. There should ALWAYS be a proper, full-size spare wheel (not the > silly smaller "space-saver"). The sole reason car makers stopped putting > spare wheels in was to lower the weight so they could cheat the > emissions and efficiency tests. X-( No. there is no "SHOULD" about it. Like everything in life, whether or not to have a spare tire is a trade off.
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-15 10:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <107n1dd$129r3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197154 |
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > On 2025-08-14 20:07:31 +0000, -hh said: >> On 8/14/25 14:48, Jolly Roger wrote: >>> On 2025-08-14, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> You Apple trolls don't understand _why_ you're forced to charge >>>> overnight. >>> >>> You're the troll here. Nobody is forced to charge overnight. You act >>> like there's no other way to charge, when that is very clearly not the >>> case. >> >> Unfortunately, it is painfully obvious that they have no analytical >> background & experience in identifying/articulating operational >> requirements and deconstructing them into technical specifications. >> >> >>> Your troll is weak because you are a mental weakling. >> >> He's whining because his car didn't come with floor mats! /s >> >> >> -hh > > With modern cars I'd be more worried about the fact that many don't > come with an actual physical key and keyholes (including the ignition)! > :-( Or spare wheel! Although TBF, in 30 years of driving I've only ever had to use the spare three times.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-15 08:44 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <107lhrc$nmhc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197129 |
On 2025-08-14 12:30:03 +0000, -hh said: > On 8/13/25 18:37, Alan wrote: >> On 2025-08-13 15:32, -hh wrote: >>> On 8/13/25 18:19, Chris wrote: >>>> Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 15:51:15 -0400, -hh wrote : >>>>>>> >>>>>>> desperately want to pretend "slower charging" equals "wrong", when that >>>>>>> is very obviously complete and >>>>>>> utter bullshit. >>>>>> >>>>>> Wait until they go out to finally buy an actual new car ... >>>>>> >>>>>> ... and they learn that floor mats are optional equipment >>>>> >>>>> Why would anyone pay over a thousand bucks for a phone designed for >>>>> fast charging, and then put a far-below-minimum-standards 5W brick on >>>>> it? >>>> >>>> Most modern cars can do well over 100 mph yet there are very few places >>>> where you can legally do that speed. >>> >>> "Look at all of those wasted speedometer markings!" <g> >>>> Fast charging is a nice to have, but not necessary if all you do is >>>> charge your phone overnight. >>>> >>>> A 5W is suboptimal, not "incorrect". >>> >>> Even an old 5W charger is perfectly fine for an overnight charge. >>> >>> Higher wattage is as the cited text says for the fast charging *option*. >> >> And his tacit assumption that if Apple doesn't provide the fast >> charger, then you can't possibly have one. >> :-) > > As well as the insinuation that for some bizarre reason, it is totally > unacceptable to charge one's phone while you're asleep. There are MANY places that will do give such advice, including many fire departments and Apple themselves, although it is usually talking about devices, mainly older ones, that do not have the new "auto shutoff" feature. Some places do qualify that advice by saying not to charge it on your pillow or under the bed covers, but other places simply say to not charge overnight ... either way it is due to the risk of fire, of which there have been quite a few cases of that happening with various chargable devices. > The rhetorical question that won't be answered is: other than when one > isn't using it, what better time is there is to charge one's phone? > > Of course the Engineering derivative from here is the power > requirement: for a duty cycle of an overnight (even a shortened ~6 > hour one), how much source wattage is satisfactory to meet the > criteria? A: 5W. > > In simple terms, Energy = Power * time = (5W * 6h) = 30Wh supplied > > iPhone batteries are a nominal 4V, so 30Wh/4V (* 1000) = 7500mAh, > less efficiency losses, of course. > > The iPhone 16 Pro Max reportedly has a 4,685mAh battery, so this supply > capability accomodates a time safety buffer and/or efficiency losses of > (7500/4685) = 1.6 = 60% margin. > > For example, for just a 5hr sleep, its 25/4 => 6250/4685 => 1.33 > > > -hh
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-14 14:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <107lj72$n9vl$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197153 |
On 2025-08-14 13:44, Your Name wrote: > On 2025-08-14 12:30:03 +0000, -hh said: >> On 8/13/25 18:37, Alan wrote: >>> On 2025-08-13 15:32, -hh wrote: >>>> On 8/13/25 18:19, Chris wrote: >>>>> Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 15:51:15 -0400, -hh wrote : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> desperately want to pretend "slower charging" equals "wrong", >>>>>>>> when that is very obviously complete and >>>>>>>> utter bullshit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wait until they go out to finally buy an actual new car ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ... and they learn that floor mats are optional equipment >>>>>> >>>>>> Why would anyone pay over a thousand bucks for a phone designed >>>>>> for fast charging, and then put a far-below-minimum-standards 5W >>>>>> brick on it? >>>>> >>>>> Most modern cars can do well over 100 mph yet there are very few >>>>> places >>>>> where you can legally do that speed. >>>> >>>> "Look at all of those wasted speedometer markings!" <g> >>>>> Fast charging is a nice to have, but not necessary if all you do is >>>>> charge your phone overnight. >>>>> >>>>> A 5W is suboptimal, not "incorrect". >>>> >>>> Even an old 5W charger is perfectly fine for an overnight charge. >>>> >>>> Higher wattage is as the cited text says for the fast charging >>>> *option*. >>> >>> And his tacit assumption that if Apple doesn't provide the fast >>> charger, then you can't possibly have one. >>> :-) >> >> As well as the insinuation that for some bizarre reason, it is totally >> unacceptable to charge one's phone while you're asleep. > > There are MANY places that will do give such advice, including many fire > departments and Apple themselves, although it is usually talking about > devices, mainly older ones, that do not have the new "auto shutoff" > feature. Some places do qualify that advice by saying not to charge it > on your pillow or under the bed covers, but other places simply say to > not charge overnight ... either way it is due to the risk of fire, of > which there have been quite a few cases of that happening with various > chargable devices. What "places" say that? Quotes and sources please?
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-14 18:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <107lmvq$mv3e$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197156 |
On 8/14/25 17:07, Alan wrote: > On 2025-08-14 13:44, Your Name wrote: >> On 2025-08-14 12:30:03 +0000, -hh said: >>> ... >>> As well as the insinuation that for some bizarre reason, it is >>> totally unacceptable to charge one's phone while you're asleep. >> >> There are MANY places that will do give such advice, including many >> fire departments and Apple themselves, although it is usually talking >> about devices, mainly older ones, that do not have the new "auto >> shutoff" feature. Some places do qualify that advice by saying not to >> charge it on your pillow or under the bed covers, but other places >> simply say to not charge overnight ... either way it is due to the >> risk of fire, of which there have been quite a few cases of that >> happening with various chargable devices. > > What "places" say that? Particularly for Apple products specifically. > Quotes and sources please? <https://tenor.com/view/stephen-colbert-popcorn-3d-glasses-watching-eating-gif-17602628> Meantime, I cross-checked my most recent iphone device purchase against Marion's "one-and-one-half to twice the MSRP" claim and found it off by a bit. Namely by his claim being ~3x higher than my actual. Oopsie. -hh
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-14 17:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <107ltml$psb2$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197157 |
On 2025-08-14 15:12, -hh wrote: > On 8/14/25 17:07, Alan wrote: >> On 2025-08-14 13:44, Your Name wrote: >>> On 2025-08-14 12:30:03 +0000, -hh said: >>>> ... >>>> As well as the insinuation that for some bizarre reason, it is >>>> totally unacceptable to charge one's phone while you're asleep. >>> >>> There are MANY places that will do give such advice, including many >>> fire departments and Apple themselves, although it is usually talking >>> about devices, mainly older ones, that do not have the new "auto >>> shutoff" feature. Some places do qualify that advice by saying not to >>> charge it on your pillow or under the bed covers, but other places >>> simply say to not charge overnight ... either way it is due to the >>> risk of fire, of which there have been quite a few cases of that >>> happening with various chargable devices. >> >> What "places" say that? > > Particularly for Apple products specifically. > >> Quotes and sources please? > > <https://tenor.com/view/stephen-colbert-popcorn-3d-glasses-watching- > eating-gif-17602628> > > > Meantime, I cross-checked my most recent iphone device purchase against > Marion's "one-and-one-half to twice the MSRP" claim and found it off by > a bit. Namely by his claim being ~3x higher than my actual. Oopsie. > > -hh Hey, hey now! Don't you know that Marion/Arlen got his phone for FREE... ...along with the case, the screen protector... ...and everything else he threw in to make the price of an iPhone look worse! :-)
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