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  Re: An Ethical Question ebenZEROONE@verizon.net (Hactar) - 2016-05-12 16:17 -0400
    Re: An Ethical Question Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-05-12 22:53 -0600
      Re: An Ethical Question ebenZEROONE@verizon.net (Hactar) - 2016-05-13 12:22 -0400
    Re: An Ethical Question ebenZEROONE@verizon.net (Hactar) - 2016-05-13 13:07 -0400
    Re: An Ethical Question Lee Ayrton <layrton481@gmail.com> - 2016-05-15 17:21 -0400
      Re: An Ethical Question ebenZEROONE@verizon.net (Hactar) - 2016-05-15 20:30 -0400
      Re: An Ethical Question Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-05-16 01:44 -0600

#26658 — Re: An Ethical Question

In article <0e7022c3-9f5c-466b-8e6b-cc53328d9d99@googlegroups.com>,
Alfalfa Bill  <tedthecat85@aol.com> wrote:
> My brother-in-law and sister-in-law needed to replace their car.   The
> old car was a PT-Cruiser they bought new and just finished paying for.
> The timing belt snapped because they did not know it needs to be
> replaced at intervals and it totaled the engine.

They need a non-interference engine, or one with a timing _chain_ not a
timing _belt_.

> Looked at one but they want the pretty car.   I got
> rid of the salesman and encouraged them to get the less expensive one.
> It will give you the same number of miles at less than half the price.

> Should I have insisted that they not buy the pretty car?

They're old enough to make their own idiotic decisions.

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#26659

ebenZEROONE@verizon.net (Hactar) wrote:

>In article <0e7022c3-9f5c-466b-8e6b-cc53328d9d99@googlegroups.com>,
>Alfalfa Bill  <tedthecat85@aol.com> wrote:
>> My brother-in-law and sister-in-law needed to replace their car.   The
>> old car was a PT-Cruiser they bought new and just finished paying for.
>> The timing belt snapped because they did not know it needs to be
>> replaced at intervals and it totaled the engine.
>
>They need a non-interference engine, or one with a timing _chain_ not a
>timing _belt_.

Or get the belt replaced every hundred thousand miles (160
megametres).  It's not an expensive operation.>> Should I have
insisted that they not buy the pretty car?
>
>They're old enough to make their own idiotic decisions.

They're adults.  You can inform, but not force.
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#26660

In article <dpl4tjFdft2U3@mid.individual.net>,
Greg Goss  <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
> ebenZEROONE@verizon.net (Hactar) wrote:
> 
> >In article <0e7022c3-9f5c-466b-8e6b-cc53328d9d99@googlegroups.com>,
> >Alfalfa Bill  <tedthecat85@aol.com> wrote:
> >> My brother-in-law and sister-in-law needed to replace their car.   The
> >> old car was a PT-Cruiser they bought new and just finished paying for.
> >> The timing belt snapped because they did not know it needs to be
> >> replaced at intervals and it totaled the engine.
> >
> >They need a non-interference engine, or one with a timing _chain_ not a
> >timing _belt_.
> 
> Or get the belt replaced every hundred thousand miles (160
> megametres).  It's not an expensive operation.

It's not that expensive _if you do it yourself_.  The belt itself and the
head gasket are about your only expenses, I think.  However, since
they're the kind of people that didn't even know it had to be done, I
don't think they'd do it (or anything past adding fuel) themselves.  If
you have a mechanic do it, it's an hour or two of teardown to get at it.

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#26661

In article <dpl52mFdft2U4@mid.individual.net>,
Greg Goss  <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
> Alfalfa Bill <tedthecat85@aol.com> wrote:
> 
> >On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 4:08:04 PM UTC-5, Hactar wrote:
> >> In article <0e7022c3-9f5c-466b-8e6b-cc53328d9d99@googlegroups.com>,
> >> Alfalfa Bill  <tedthecat85@aol.com> wrote:
> >> > My brother-in-law and sister-in-law needed to replace their car.   The
> >> > old car was a PT-Cruiser they bought new and just finished paying for.
> >> > The timing belt snapped because they did not know it needs to be
> >> > replaced at intervals and it totaled the engine.
> >> 
> >> They need a non-interference engine, or one with a timing _chain_ not a
> >> timing _belt_.
> >
> > Thanks, wasn't sure about that.   I know nothing about automotive
> > mechanics and care even less.   
> 
> A rubber timing belt will wear out.  A chain will last much longer.
> I'm not sure what the downside is for a chain.

I'm guessing, noisier and more frictiony, but I really have no evidence.
Besides, over the noise and heat of the adjacent cylinders, who could
tell?

Our '76 Subaru had a timing chain. We got rid of it in '89, with an
engine swap (for a '77) near the end.  The timing chain was never changed.

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#26664

On 5/12/2016 4:17 PM, Hactar wrote:
> In article<0e7022c3-9f5c-466b-8e6b-cc53328d9d99@googlegroups.com>,
> Alfalfa Bill<tedthecat85@aol.com>  wrote:

>> >My brother-in-law and sister-in-law needed to replace their car.   The
>> >old car was a PT-Cruiser they bought new and just finished paying for.
>> >The timing belt snapped because they did not know it needs to be
>> >replaced at intervals and it totaled the engine.
> They need a non-interference engine, or one with a timing_chain_  not a
> timing_belt_.
>
Does anyone even make engines with timing chains for cars any more? 
Everything I've had for donkey's years has had belts.

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#26665

In article <nhap99$inb$2@reader1.panix.com>,
Lee Ayrton  <layrton481@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/12/2016 4:17 PM, Hactar wrote:
> > In article<0e7022c3-9f5c-466b-8e6b-cc53328d9d99@googlegroups.com>,
> > Alfalfa Bill<tedthecat85@aol.com>  wrote:
> 
> >> >My brother-in-law and sister-in-law needed to replace their car.   The
> >> >old car was a PT-Cruiser they bought new and just finished paying for.
> >> >The timing belt snapped because they did not know it needs to be
> >> >replaced at intervals and it totaled the engine.
> > They need a non-interference engine, or one with a timing_chain_  not a
> > timing_belt_.
> >
> Does anyone even make engines with timing chains for cars any more? 
> Everything I've had for donkey's years has had belts.

Evidence says our '08 Mazda CX-7 has one; google on

cx-7 ("timing belt" | "timing chain")

It seems they're rarer than they should be.

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#26670

Lee Ayrton <layrton481@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/12/2016 4:17 PM, Hactar wrote:
>> In article<0e7022c3-9f5c-466b-8e6b-cc53328d9d99@googlegroups.com>,
>> Alfalfa Bill<tedthecat85@aol.com>  wrote:
>
>>> >My brother-in-law and sister-in-law needed to replace their car.   The
>>> >old car was a PT-Cruiser they bought new and just finished paying for.
>>> >The timing belt snapped because they did not know it needs to be
>>> >replaced at intervals and it totaled the engine.
>> They need a non-interference engine, or one with a timing_chain_  not a
>> timing_belt_.
>>
>Does anyone even make engines with timing chains for cars any more? 
>Everything I've had for donkey's years has had belts.

My current car has a chain.
http://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/2005/toyota/matrix/engine_mechanical/timing_chain.html

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