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Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory

From Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Newsgroups linux.kernel
Subject Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory
Date 2017-04-17 19:10 +0200
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On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 17/04/17 01:20 AM, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
>> But is it ? For example take a GPU, does it, in your scheme, need an
>> additional "p2pmem" child ? Why can't the GPU driver just use some
>> helper to instantiate the necessary struct pages ? What does having an
>> actual "struct device" child buys you ?
>
> Yes, in this scheme, it needs an additional p2pmem child. Why is that an
> issue? It certainly makes it a lot easier for the user to understand the
> p2pmem memory in the system (through the sysfs tree) and reason about
> the topology and when to use it. This is important.

I think you want to go the other way in the hierarchy and find a
shared *parent* to land the p2pmem capability. Because that same agent
is going to be responsible handling address translation for the peers.

>>> 2) In order to create the struct pages we use the ZONE_DEVICE
>>> infrastructure which requires a struct device. (See
>>> devm_memremap_pages.)
>>
>> Yup, but you already have one in the actual pci_dev ... What is the
>> benefit of adding a second one ?
>
> But that would tie all of this very tightly to be pci only and may get
> hard to differentiate if more users of ZONE_DEVICE crop up who happen to
> be using a pci device. Having a specific class for this makes it very
> clear how this memory would be handled. For example, although I haven't
> looked into it, this could very well be a point of conflict with HMM. If
> they were to use the pci device to populate the dev_pagemap then we
> couldn't also use the pci device. I feel it's much better for users of
> dev_pagemap to have their struct devices they own to avoid such conflicts.

Peer-dma is always going to be a property of the bus and not the end
devices. Requiring each bus implementation to explicitly enable
peer-to-peer support is a feature not a bug.

>>>  This amazingly gets us the get_dev_pagemap
>>> architecture which also uses a struct device. So by using a p2pmem
>>> device we can go from struct page to struct device to p2pmem device
>>> quickly and effortlessly.
>>
>> Which isn't terribly useful in itself right ? What you care about is
>> the "enclosing" pci_dev no ? Or am I missing something ?
>
> Sure it is. What if we want to someday support p2pmem that's on another bus?

We shouldn't design for some future possible use case. Solve it for
pci and when / if another bus comes along then look at a more generic
abstraction.

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Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-16 17:50 +0200
  Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-16 18:50 +0200
    Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> - 2017-04-17 00:40 +0200
      Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-17 07:20 +0200
        Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> - 2017-04-17 09:30 +0200
          Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-17 19:00 +0200
            Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-17 19:10 +0200
              Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-18 07:30 +0200
            Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com> - 2017-04-17 20:10 +0200
              Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-18 08:20 +0200
            Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> - 2017-04-17 23:20 +0200
              Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-18 07:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> - 2017-04-18 08:40 +0200
  Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> - 2017-04-17 00:30 +0200
    Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-18 18:50 +0200
      Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-18 19:30 +0200
        Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-18 20:10 +0200
          Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-18 20:40 +0200
          Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> - 2017-04-19 03:20 +0200
        Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-19 01:00 +0200
        Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> - 2017-04-19 02:10 +0200
      Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-18 20:40 +0200
        Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-18 21:10 +0200
          Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-18 21:40 +0200
            Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-18 21:50 +0200
              Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-18 22:10 +0200
            Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-18 21:50 +0200
              Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com> - 2017-04-18 22:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-18 22:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-18 22:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> - 2017-04-19 03:20 +0200
              Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-18 23:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-18 23:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-18 23:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-18 23:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-19 00:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-19 00:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-19 00:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-19 01:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-19 01:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> - 2017-04-19 03:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-19 00:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-19 01:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-19 01:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-19 01:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> - 2017-04-19 03:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-18 23:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-19 00:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-19 01:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> - 2017-04-19 04:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> - 2017-04-19 03:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-19 18:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-19 18:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-19 19:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com> - 2017-04-19 19:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-19 19:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-19 20:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-19 20:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-19 20:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-19 20:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-19 20:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-20 22:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory "Stephen  Bates" <sbates@raithlin.com> - 2017-04-21 01:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-21 07:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory "Stephen  Bates" <sbates@raithlin.com> - 2017-04-20 22:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-19 19:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-19 20:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-19 20:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-19 21:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-19 21:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-19 21:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-19 22:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-20 01:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@gmail.com> - 2017-04-20 02:10 +0200

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