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Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory

From Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Newsgroups linux.kernel
Subject Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory
Date 2017-04-18 20:40 +0200
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On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Jason Gunthorpe
<jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 10:27:47AM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
>> > FWIW, RDMA probably wouldn't want to use a p2mem device either, we
>> > already have APIs that map BAR memory to user space, and would like to
>> > keep using them. A 'enable P2P for bar' helper function sounds better
>> > to me.
>>
>> ...and I think it's not a helper function as much as asking the bus
>> provider "can these two device dma to each other".
>
> What I mean I could write in a RDMA driver:
>
>   /* Allow the memory in BAR 1 to be the target of P2P transactions */
>   pci_enable_p2p_bar(dev, 1);
>
> And not require anything else..
>
>> The "helper" is the dma api redirecting through a software-iommu
>> that handles bus address translation differently than it would
>> handle host memory dma mapping.
>
> Not sure, until we see what arches actually need to do here it is hard
> to design common helpers.
>
> Here are a few obvious things that arches will need to implement to
> support this broadly:
>
> - Virtualization might need to do a hypervisor call to get the right
>   translation, or consult some hypervisor specific description table.
>
> - Anything using IOMMUs for virtualization will need to setup IOMMU
>   permissions to allow the P2P flow, this might require translation to
>   an address cookie.
>
> - Fail if the PCI devices are in different domains, or setup hardware to
>   do completion bus/device/function translation.
>
> - All platforms can succeed if the PCI devices are under the same
>   'segment', but where segments begin is somewhat platform specific
>   knowledge. (this is 'same switch' idea Logan has talked about)
>
> So, we can eventually design helpers for various common scenarios, but
> until we see what arch code actually needs to do it seems
> premature. Much of this seems to involve interaction with some kind of
> hardware, or consulation of some kind of currently platform specific
> data, so I'm not sure what a software-iommu would be doing??
>
> The main thing to agree on is that this code belongs under dma ops and
> that arches have to support struct page mapped BAR addresses in their
> dma ops inputs. Is that resonable?

I think we're saying the same thing by "software-iommu" and "custom
dma_ops", so yes.

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Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-16 17:50 +0200
  Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-16 18:50 +0200
    Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> - 2017-04-17 00:40 +0200
      Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-17 07:20 +0200
        Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> - 2017-04-17 09:30 +0200
          Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-17 19:00 +0200
            Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-17 19:10 +0200
              Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-18 07:30 +0200
            Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com> - 2017-04-17 20:10 +0200
              Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-18 08:20 +0200
            Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> - 2017-04-17 23:20 +0200
              Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-18 07:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> - 2017-04-18 08:40 +0200
  Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> - 2017-04-17 00:30 +0200
    Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-18 18:50 +0200
      Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-18 19:30 +0200
        Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-18 20:10 +0200
          Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-18 20:40 +0200
          Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> - 2017-04-19 03:20 +0200
        Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-19 01:00 +0200
        Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> - 2017-04-19 02:10 +0200
      Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-18 20:40 +0200
        Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-18 21:10 +0200
          Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-18 21:40 +0200
            Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-18 21:50 +0200
              Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-18 22:10 +0200
            Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-18 21:50 +0200
              Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com> - 2017-04-18 22:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-18 22:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-18 22:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> - 2017-04-19 03:20 +0200
              Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-18 23:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-18 23:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-18 23:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-18 23:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-19 00:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-19 00:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-19 00:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-19 01:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-19 01:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> - 2017-04-19 03:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-19 00:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-19 01:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-19 01:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-19 01:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> - 2017-04-19 03:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-18 23:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-19 00:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-19 01:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> - 2017-04-19 04:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> - 2017-04-19 03:30 +0200
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                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-19 18:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-19 19:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com> - 2017-04-19 19:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-19 19:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-19 20:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-19 20:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-19 20:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-19 20:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-19 20:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-20 22:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory "Stephen  Bates" <sbates@raithlin.com> - 2017-04-21 01:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> - 2017-04-21 07:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory "Stephen  Bates" <sbates@raithlin.com> - 2017-04-20 22:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-19 19:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-19 20:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-19 20:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-19 21:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-19 21:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-19 21:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> - 2017-04-19 22:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> - 2017-04-20 01:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@gmail.com> - 2017-04-20 02:10 +0200

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