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Re: [PATCH 3/2] sched/deadline: Use deadline instead of period when calculating overflow

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Hi Juri,

On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 10:29:19 +0000
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@arm.com> wrote:
[...]
> > Ok, thanks; I think I can now see why this can result in a task
> > consuming more than the reserved utilisation. I still need some
> > time to convince me that "runtime / (deadline - t) > dl_runtime /
> > dl_deadline" is the correct check to use (in this case, shouldn't
> > we also change the admission test to use densities instead of
> > utilisations?) 
> 
> Right, this is what I was wondering as well, as dl_overflow()
> currently looks at the period. And I also have some recollection of
> this discussion happening already in the past, unfortunately it was
> not on the list.
> 
> That discussion started with the following patch
[...]
> that we then dediced not to propose since (note that these are just my
> memories of the dicussion, so everything it's up for further
> discussion, also in light of the problem highlighted by Daniel)
> 
>  - SCHED_DEADLINE, as the documentation says, does AC using
> utilization
>  - it is however true that a sufficient (but not necessary) test on
> UP for D_i != P_i cases is the one of my patch above
>  - we have agreed in the past that the kernel should only check that
> we don't cause "overload" in the system (which is still the case if we
>    consider utilizations), not "hard schedulability"
I remember a similar discussion; I think the decision about what to do
depends on what are the requirements: hard deadline guarantees (but in
this case global EDF is just a bad choice) or tardines no overload
guarantees?

My understanding was that the kernel guarantees that deadline tasks
will not starve non-deadline tasks, and that there is an upper bound
for the tardiness experienced by deadline tasks. If this understanding
is correct, then the current admission test is ok. But if I
misunderstood the purpose of the kernel admission test, then maybe your
patch is ok.

Then, it is important to keep the admission test consistent with the
checks performed in dl_entity_overflow() (but whatever we decide to do,
dl_entity_overflow() should be fixed).


				Luca

>  - also because on SMP systems "sum(WCET_i / min{D_i, P_i}) <= M"
>    doesn't guarantee much more than the test base on P_i only (there
> not seem to be many/any papers around considering the D_i != P_i case
> on SMP actually)
>  - basically the patch above would only matter for the UP/partitioned
>    cases
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> - Juri

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[PATCH V2 0/2] sched/deadline: Fixes for constrained deadline tasks Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com> - 2017-02-13 20:10 +0100
  [PATCH V2 2/2] sched/deadline: Throttle a constrained deadline task activated after the deadline Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com> - 2017-02-13 20:10 +0100
    Re: [PATCH V2 2/2] sched/deadline: Throttle a constrained deadline  task activated after the deadline Tommaso Cucinotta <tommaso.cucinotta@santannapisa.it> - 2017-02-14 18:00 +0100
      Re: [PATCH V2 2/2] sched/deadline: Throttle a constrained deadline  task activated after the deadline Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com> - 2017-02-14 18:40 +0100
    Re: [PATCH V2 2/2] sched/deadline: Throttle a constrained deadline  task activated after the deadline Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> - 2017-02-14 20:40 +0100
  [PATCH V2 1/2] sched/deadline: Replenishment timer should fire in the next period Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com> - 2017-02-13 20:10 +0100
  [PATCH 3/2] sched/deadline: Use deadline instead of period when  calculating overflow "Steven Rostedt (VMware)" <rostedt@goodmis.org> - 2017-02-14 20:30 +0100
    Re: [PATCH 3/2] sched/deadline: Use deadline instead of period when  calculating overflow luca abeni <luca.abeni@santannapisa.it> - 2017-02-14 23:50 +0100
      Re: [PATCH 3/2] sched/deadline: Use deadline instead of period when  calculating overflow Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> - 2017-02-15 01:20 +0100
        Re: [PATCH 3/2] sched/deadline: Use deadline instead of period when  calculating overflow Luca Abeni <luca.abeni@santannapisa.it> - 2017-02-15 08:50 +0100
          Re: [PATCH 3/2] sched/deadline: Use deadline instead of period when  calculating overflow Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@arm.com> - 2017-02-15 11:30 +0100
            Re: [PATCH 3/2] sched/deadline: Use deadline instead of period when  calculating overflow Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-02-15 12:40 +0100
            Re: [PATCH 3/2] sched/deadline: Use deadline instead of period when  calculating overflow Luca Abeni <luca.abeni@santannapisa.it> - 2017-02-15 13:40 +0100
              Re: [PATCH 3/2] sched/deadline: Use deadline instead of period when  calculating overflow Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@arm.com> - 2017-02-15 14:00 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 3/2] sched/deadline: Use deadline instead of period when  calculating overflow Luca Abeni <luca.abeni@santannapisa.it> - 2017-02-15 14:20 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 3/2] sched/deadline: Use deadline instead of period when  calculating overflow Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@arm.com> - 2017-02-15 15:20 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 3/2] sched/deadline: Use deadline instead of period when  calculating overflow Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com> - 2017-02-15 14:40 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 3/2] sched/deadline: Use deadline instead of period when  calculating overflow Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com> - 2017-02-15 14:50 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 3/2] sched/deadline: Use deadline instead of period when  calculating overflow Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> - 2017-02-15 15:10 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 3/2] sched/deadline: Use deadline instead of period when  calculating overflow Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@arm.com> - 2017-02-15 15:20 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 3/2] sched/deadline: Use deadline instead of period when  calculating overflow Tommaso Cucinotta <tommaso.cucinotta@santannapisa.it> - 2017-02-16 17:40 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 3/2] sched/deadline: Use deadline instead of period when  calculating overflow Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> - 2017-02-16 17:50 +0100

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