Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects

From	Colin Walters <walters@verbum.org>
Newsgroups	linux.kernel
Subject	Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects
Date	2017-05-23 17:40 +0200
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On Tue, May 23, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Jeff Layton wrote:
> 
> nfsdcltrack was originally nfsdcld, a long running daemon that used
> rpc_pipefs to talk to the kernel. That meant that you had to make sure
> it gets enabled by systemd (or sysvinit, etc). If it dies, then you also
> want to ensure that it gets restarted lest the kernel server hang,
> etc...
> 
> It was pretty universally hated, as it was just one more daemon that you
> needed to run to work a proper nfs server. So, I was encouraged to
> switch it to a call_usermodehelper upcall and since then it has just
> worked, as long as the binary is installed.

Note that with the "read()/write() fd" model you don't need
a whole process just to do that...the functionality could be rolled into systemd
or equivalent easily enough.

> "You're doing it wrong. You just need to run all of these services as
> long-running daemons."

Also, I imagine we could figure out a clean model to do *activation*
from kernel -> userspace too.  systemd's socket activation model
where pid 1 activates units on demand is quite nice and obviates
the need to configure things on in advance.

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[RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> - 2017-05-22 18:30 +0200
  [PATCH 8/9] Honour CONTAINER_NEW_EMPTY_FS_NS David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> - 2017-05-22 18:30 +0200
  [PATCH 3/9] Provide /proc/containers David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> - 2017-05-22 18:30 +0200
  Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> - 2017-05-22 19:00 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Aleksa Sarai <asarai@suse.de> - 2017-05-22 19:20 +0200
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> - 2017-05-23 17:00 +0200
        Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-05-23 17:10 +0200
          Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> - 2017-05-23 17:20 +0200
            Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-05-23 17:30 +0200
              Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> - 2017-05-23 17:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> - 2017-05-23 18:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-05-24 10:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net> - 2017-05-24 11:20 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Jessica Frazelle <me@jessfraz.com> - 2017-05-22 19:30 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-05-22 20:40 +0200
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> - 2017-05-22 21:30 +0200
        Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-05-23 00:20 +0200
        Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net> - 2017-05-23 12:40 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net> - 2017-05-23 11:40 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> - 2017-05-23 16:00 +0200
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> - 2017-05-23 17:10 +0200
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-05-23 17:40 +0200
  Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Jessica Frazelle <me@jessfraz.com> - 2017-05-22 19:20 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> - 2017-05-23 17:20 +0200
  Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-05-22 21:20 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-05-23 00:30 +0200
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-05-23 15:10 +0200
        Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-05-23 16:30 +0200
        Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@gmail.com> - 2017-05-23 16:40 +0200
          Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Colin Walters <walters@verbum.org> - 2017-05-23 17:00 +0200
            Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Colin Walters <walters@verbum.org> - 2017-05-23 17:40 +0200
            Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> - 2017-05-23 17:40 +0200
            Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-05-23 17:40 +0200
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@gmail.com> - 2017-05-23 16:30 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> - 2017-05-23 18:20 +0200
  Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net> - 2017-05-23 12:20 +0200
  Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-05-23 17:40 +0200

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