Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects

From	ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
Newsgroups	linux.kernel
Subject	Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects
Date	2017-05-23 17:10 +0200
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David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> writes:

> Aleksa Sarai <asarai@suse.de> wrote:
>
>> >> The reason I think this is necessary is that the kernel has no idea
>> >> how to direct upcalls to what userspace considers to be a container -
>> >> current Linux practice appears to make a "container" just an
>> >> arbitrarily chosen junction of namespaces, control groups and files,
>> >> which may be changed individually within the "container".
>> 
>> Just want to point out that if the kernel APIs for containers massively
>> change, then the OCI will have to completely rework how we describe containers
>> (and so will all existing runtimes).
>> 
>> Not to mention that while I don't like how hard it is (from a runtime
>> perspective) to actually set up a container securely, there are undoubtedly
>> benefits to having namespaces split out. The network namespace being separate
>> means that in certain contexts you actually don't want to create a new network
>> namespace when creating a container.
>
> Yep, I quite agree.
>
> However, certain things need to be made per-net namespace that *aren't*.  DNS
> results, for instance.
>
> As an example, I could set up a client machine with two ethernet ports, set up
> two DNS+NFS servers, each of which think they're called "foo.bar" and attach
> each server to a different port on the client machine.  Then I could create a
> pair of containers on the client machine and route the network in each
> container to a different port.  Now there's a problem because the names of the
> cached DNS records for each port overlap.

Please look at ip netns add.  It does solve this in userspace rather
simply.

> Further, the NFS idmapper needs to be able to direct its calls to the
> appropriate network.

Eric

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[RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> - 2017-05-22 18:30 +0200
  [PATCH 8/9] Honour CONTAINER_NEW_EMPTY_FS_NS David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> - 2017-05-22 18:30 +0200
  [PATCH 3/9] Provide /proc/containers David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> - 2017-05-22 18:30 +0200
  Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> - 2017-05-22 19:00 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Aleksa Sarai <asarai@suse.de> - 2017-05-22 19:20 +0200
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> - 2017-05-23 17:00 +0200
        Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-05-23 17:10 +0200
          Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> - 2017-05-23 17:20 +0200
            Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-05-23 17:30 +0200
              Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> - 2017-05-23 17:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> - 2017-05-23 18:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-05-24 10:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net> - 2017-05-24 11:20 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Jessica Frazelle <me@jessfraz.com> - 2017-05-22 19:30 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-05-22 20:40 +0200
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> - 2017-05-22 21:30 +0200
        Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-05-23 00:20 +0200
        Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net> - 2017-05-23 12:40 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net> - 2017-05-23 11:40 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> - 2017-05-23 16:00 +0200
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> - 2017-05-23 17:10 +0200
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-05-23 17:40 +0200
  Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Jessica Frazelle <me@jessfraz.com> - 2017-05-22 19:20 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> - 2017-05-23 17:20 +0200
  Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-05-22 21:20 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-05-23 00:30 +0200
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-05-23 15:10 +0200
        Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-05-23 16:30 +0200
        Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@gmail.com> - 2017-05-23 16:40 +0200
          Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Colin Walters <walters@verbum.org> - 2017-05-23 17:00 +0200
            Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Colin Walters <walters@verbum.org> - 2017-05-23 17:40 +0200
            Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> - 2017-05-23 17:40 +0200
            Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> - 2017-05-23 17:40 +0200
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@gmail.com> - 2017-05-23 16:30 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> - 2017-05-23 18:20 +0200
  Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net> - 2017-05-23 12:20 +0200
  Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-05-23 17:40 +0200

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