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| From | "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.kernel |
| Subject | Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` |
| Date | 2016-12-01 18:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sJCSe-6Dp-3@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
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On Thu, Dec 01, 2016 at 05:36:14PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 01, 2016 at 04:40:24AM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 01, 2016 at 06:30:35AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>
> > > Sure, we all dislike IPIs, but I'm thinking this half-way point is
> > > sensible, no point in issuing user visible annoyance if indeed we can
> > > prod things back to life, no?
> > >
> > > Only if we utterly fail to make it respond should we bug the user with
> > > our failure..
> >
> > Sold! ;-)
> >
> > I will put together a patch later today.
> >
> > My intent is to hold off on the "upgrade cond_resched()" patch, one
> > step at a time. Longer term, I do very much like the idea of having
> > cond_resched() do both scheduling and RCU quiescent states, assuming
> > that this avoids performance pitfalls.
>
> Well, with the above change cond_resched() is already sufficient, no?
Maybe. Right now, cond_resched_rcu_qs() gets a quiescent state to
the RCU core in less than one jiffy, with my other change, this becomes
a handful of jiffies depending on HZ and NR_CPUS. I expect this
increase to a handful of jiffies to be a non-event.
After my upcoming patch, cond_resched() will get a quiescent state to
the RCU core in about ten seconds. While I am am not all that nervous
about the increase from less than a jiffy to a handful of jiffies,
increasing to ten seconds via cond_resched() does make me quite nervous.
Past experience indicates that someone's kernel will likely be fatally
inconvenienced by this magnitude of change.
Or am I misunderstanding what you are proposing?
> In fact, by doing the IPI thing we get the entire cond_resched*()
> family, and we could add the should_resched() guard to
> cond_resched_rcu().
So that cond_resched_rcu_qs() looks something like this, in order
to avoid the function call in the case where the scheduler has nothing
to do?
#define cond_resched_rcu_qs() \
do { \
if (!should_resched(current) || !cond_resched()) \
rcu_note_voluntary_context_switch(current); \
} while (0)
Thanx, Paul
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Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` Donald Buczek <buczek@molgen.mpg.de> - 2016-11-27 10:20 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2016-11-28 12:10 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` Paul Menzel <pmenzel@molgen.mpg.de> - 2016-11-28 13:30 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` Donald Buczek <buczek@molgen.mpg.de> - 2016-11-30 11:30 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2016-11-30 12:20 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` Donald Buczek <buczek@molgen.mpg.de> - 2016-11-30 12:50 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` Donald Buczek <buczek@molgen.mpg.de> - 2016-12-02 10:20 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` Donald Buczek <buczek@molgen.mpg.de> - 2016-12-06 09:40 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2016-11-30 13:00 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` Paul Menzel <pmenzel@molgen.mpg.de> - 2016-11-30 13:40 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2016-11-30 15:40 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2016-11-30 13:00 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2016-11-30 14:20 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2016-11-30 15:40 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2016-11-30 17:40 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2016-11-30 18:10 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2016-11-30 18:30 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2016-11-30 18:40 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2016-11-30 19:00 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2016-11-30 22:40 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2016-12-01 06:40 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2016-12-01 13:50 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2016-12-01 17:40 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2016-12-01 18:00 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2016-12-01 19:20 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2016-12-01 19:50 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2016-12-01 20:00 +0100
Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2016-11-30 18:10 +0100
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