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Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE()

From Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
Newsgroups linux.kernel
Subject Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE()
Date 2016-11-25 17:20 +0100
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On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 04:21:39PM +0100, Dmitry Vyukov wrote:
> 
> READ/WRITE_ONCE imply atomicity. Even if their names don't spell it (a
> function name doesn't have to spell all of its guarantees). Most of
> the uses of READ/WRITE_ONCE will be broken if they are not atomic.

In practice, this is certainly the assumption made by many/most users of
the *_ONCE() accessors.

Looking again, Linus does seem to agree that word-sized accesses should
result in single instructions (and be single-copy atomic) [1], so in
contrast to [2], that's clearly *part* of the point of the *_ONCE()
accessors...

> "Read once but not necessary atomically" is a very subtle primitive
> which is very easy to misuse.

I agree. Unfortunately, Linus does not appear to [2].

> What are use cases for such primitive that won't be OK with "read once
> _and_ atomically"?

I have none to hand.

Thanks,
Mark.

[1] http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1503.3/02674.html
[2] http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1503.3/02670.html

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[PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> - 2016-11-24 11:30 +0100
  [PATCH 2/3] vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> - 2016-11-24 11:30 +0100
    Re: [PATCH 2/3] vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com> - 2016-11-24 12:20 +0100
    Re: [PATCH 2/3] vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com> - 2016-11-24 12:40 +0100
    Re: [PATCH 2/3] vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> - 2016-11-25 03:50 +0100
  [PATCH 1/3] tools/virtio: fix READ_ONCE() Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> - 2016-11-24 11:30 +0100
    Re: [PATCH 1/3] tools/virtio: fix READ_ONCE() Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com> - 2016-11-24 12:40 +0100
    Re: [PATCH 1/3] tools/virtio: fix READ_ONCE() Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> - 2016-11-25 03:40 +0100
  [PATCH 3/3] tools/virtio: use {READ,WRITE}_ONCE() in uaccess.h Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> - 2016-11-24 11:30 +0100
    Re: [PATCH 3/3] tools/virtio: use {READ,WRITE}_ONCE() in uaccess.h Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com> - 2016-11-24 12:40 +0100
    Re: [PATCH 3/3] tools/virtio: use {READ,WRITE}_ONCE() in uaccess.h Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> - 2016-11-25 03:50 +0100
  Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> - 2016-11-24 21:40 +0100
    Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> - 2016-11-25 12:30 +0100
      Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com> - 2016-11-25 12:40 +0100
        Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> - 2016-11-25 13:30 +0100
          Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2016-11-25 13:50 +0100
            Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2016-11-25 13:50 +0100
              Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com> - 2016-11-25 16:00 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com> - 2016-11-25 16:30 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> - 2016-11-25 17:20 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2016-11-25 17:20 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> - 2016-11-25 17:40 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com> - 2016-11-25 18:00 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> - 2016-11-25 18:30 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2016-11-25 18:50 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com> - 2016-11-25 19:50 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> - 2016-11-25 22:10 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com> - 2016-11-25 22:50 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com> - 2016-11-25 18:30 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> - 2016-11-25 18:50 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2016-11-25 19:00 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> - 2016-11-25 19:10 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2016-11-25 19:50 +0100
            Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> - 2016-11-25 15:40 +0100

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