Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 2/3] exec: Don't allow ptracing an exec of an unreadable file

From	Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Newsgroups	linux.kernel
Subject	Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 2/3] exec: Don't allow ptracing an exec of an unreadable file
Date	2016-11-17 22:40 +0100
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On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 01:07:33PM -0800, Kees Cook wrote:
> I'm not opposed to a sysctl for this. Regardless, I think we need to
> embrace this idea now, though, since we'll soon end up with
> architectures that enforce executable-only memory, in which case
> ptrace will again fail. Almost better to get started here and then not
> have more surprises later.

Also that makes me realize that by far the largest use case of ptrace
is strace and that strace needs very little capabilities. I guess that
most users would be fine with having only pointers and not contents
for addresses or read/write of data, as they have on some other OSes,
when the process is not readable. But in my opinion when a process
is executable we should be able to trace its execution (even without
memory read access).

Willy

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[REVIEW][PATCH 0/3] Fixing ptrace vs exec vs userns interactions ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-11-17 18:10 +0100
  [REVIEW][PATCH 1/3] ptrace: Capture the ptracer's creds not PT_PTRACE_CAP ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-11-17 18:20 +0100
    Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 1/3] ptrace: Capture the ptracer's creds not PT_PTRACE_CAP Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2016-11-18 00:20 +0100
      Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 1/3] ptrace: Capture the ptracer's creds not PT_PTRACE_CAP ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-11-18 20:00 +0100
    Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 1/3] ptrace: Capture the ptracer's creds not PT_PTRACE_CAP Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2016-11-18 00:30 +0100
      Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 1/3] ptrace: Capture the ptracer's creds not PT_PTRACE_CAP ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-11-18 00:50 +0100
  [REVIEW][PATCH 3/3] exec: Ensure mm->user_ns contains the execed files ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-11-17 18:20 +0100
  [REVIEW][PATCH 2/3] exec: Don't allow ptracing an exec of an unreadable file ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-11-17 18:20 +0100
    Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 2/3] exec: Don't allow ptracing an exec of an  unreadable file Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2016-11-17 21:50 +0100
      Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 2/3] exec: Don't allow ptracing an exec of an  unreadable file Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2016-11-17 22:10 +0100
        Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 2/3] exec: Don't allow ptracing an exec of an  unreadable file Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2016-11-17 22:40 +0100
          Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 2/3] exec: Don't allow ptracing an exec of an unreadable file ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-11-17 23:00 +0100
            [REVIEW][PATCH 2/3] ptrace: Don't allow accessing an undumpable mm ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-11-18 00:00 +0100
              Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 2/3] ptrace: Don't allow accessing an undumpable mm Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2016-11-18 00:20 +0100
        Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 2/3] exec: Don't allow ptracing an exec of an  unreadable file Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2016-11-18 00:30 +0100
    Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 2/3] exec: Don't allow ptracing an exec of an  unreadable file Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2016-11-18 00:40 +0100
      Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 2/3] exec: Don't allow ptracing an exec of an unreadable file ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-11-18 01:00 +0100
        Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 2/3] exec: Don't allow ptracing an exec of an  unreadable file Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2016-11-18 01:20 +0100
          Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 2/3] exec: Don't allow ptracing an exec of an unreadable file ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-11-18 01:40 +0100
  Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 0/3] Fixing ptrace vs exec vs userns interactions Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2016-11-19 08:20 +0100
    Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 0/3] Fixing ptrace vs exec vs userns interactions Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2016-11-19 10:30 +0100
      Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 0/3] Fixing ptrace vs exec vs userns interactions Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2016-11-19 10:40 +0100
      Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 0/3] Fixing ptrace vs exec vs userns interactions ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-11-19 19:50 +0100
    Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 0/3] Fixing ptrace vs exec vs userns interactions ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-11-19 19:40 +0100
      Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 0/3] Fixing ptrace vs exec vs userns interactions ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-11-19 19:50 +0100

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