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Re: [PATCH 3/3] ovl: redirect on rename-dir

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On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 8:14 PM, Konstantin Khlebnikov <koct9i@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu> wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Do you plan to make it the default in the future when it has been
>>> available for a while?
>>>
>>> Barring any regression introduced by your patch, it seems that the feature
>>> is best available by default since it allows legitimate operations to
>>> succeed that are otherwise refused. I understand that it makes it
>>> impossible to mount the overlay filesystem with an older kernel but is
>>> that problem more widespread than the one we're fixing here?  On my side,
>>> overlayfs is only used in scenarios where the kernel is always the same
>>> (or newer compared to what created the initial filesystem).
>>
>> I think it would be safe to make it the default if upperdir is empty.
>> Nonempty implies that it was created with old kernel (or it was
>> crafted by hand).   But there should be a way to explicitly turn it
>> off;  either because of the need for backward compatibility or because
>> the old format is simply easier to work with for humans.
>>
>> How about:
>>
>> - If upper is nonempty, then leave redirect feature alone except when
>> mount option "-oredirect=on" is used to force enabling it.
>> - If upper is empty, then enable redirect feature except when mount
>> option "-oredirect=off" is used to force disabling it.
>
> I don't like this empty-nonempty upper logic.
>
> I think this feature should be off by default and be enabled
> explicitly in mount option.
> Available features could be listed in sysfs /sys/fs/overlay/..., like ext4 does.
>
> Overlayfs mounting anyway is complicated operation.
> User must know a lot about it and provide persistent state for each mount:
> list layers in correct order, work and uppder directory on the same disk, etc.
> Enabled features is a part of this state.
>
> Probably this could be solved in userspace tool "mount.overlay" - it could load
> features and layers from config file or xattr and set required mount
> options automatically.

It seems there are some conflicting opinions here.  I have mine too,
but I'll let this simmer and concentrate on actual features for now.

Thanks,
Miklos

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Re: [PATCH 3/3] ovl: redirect on rename-dir Konstantin Khlebnikov <koct9i@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 20:20 +0100
  Re: [PATCH 3/3] ovl: redirect on rename-dir Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu> - 2016-11-07 09:10 +0100
    Re: [PATCH 3/3] ovl: redirect on rename-dir Konstantin Khlebnikov <koct9i@gmail.com> - 2016-11-07 11:00 +0100
      Re: [PATCH 3/3] ovl: redirect on rename-dir Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu> - 2016-11-07 11:10 +0100
        Re: [PATCH 3/3] ovl: redirect on rename-dir Konstantin Khlebnikov <koct9i@gmail.com> - 2016-11-07 11:10 +0100
          Re: [PATCH 3/3] ovl: redirect on rename-dir Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com> - 2016-11-07 18:50 +0100
            Re: [PATCH 3/3] ovl: redirect on rename-dir Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com> - 2016-11-11 00:00 +0100
              Re: [PATCH 3/3] ovl: redirect on rename-dir Konstantin Khlebnikov <koct9i@gmail.com> - 2016-11-11 10:50 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 3/3] ovl: redirect on rename-dir Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu> - 2016-11-11 11:10 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 3/3] ovl: redirect on rename-dir Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com> - 2016-11-11 13:50 +0100
  Re: [PATCH 3/3] ovl: redirect on rename-dir Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2016-11-07 12:10 +0100
    Re: [PATCH 3/3] ovl: redirect on rename-dir Konstantin Khlebnikov <koct9i@gmail.com> - 2016-11-07 12:40 +0100
      Re: [PATCH 3/3] ovl: redirect on rename-dir Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2016-11-07 14:50 +0100
        Re: [PATCH 3/3] ovl: redirect on rename-dir Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu> - 2016-11-10 23:40 +0100
          Re: [PATCH 3/3] ovl: redirect on rename-dir Konstantin Khlebnikov <koct9i@gmail.com> - 2016-11-11 10:50 +0100

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