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Re: Regression - SATA disks behind USB ones on v4.8-rc1, breaking boot. [Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem)]

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Hi!

> > > > I have no idea how "SATA before USB" had been done in the past (if it
> > > > was ever a thing in the kernel), but that has not been the case since
> > > > at least v3.0 AFAIR.
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > People may not run udev, and you can't use /dev/disk/by-id on kernel
> > > > > command line.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > No, but you can always use root=PARTUUID=, that's built into the
> > > > kernel. (root=UUID= requires udev or so though).
> > > 
> > > Silly me. root=UUID= has nothing to do with udev, but `blkid` in
> > > util-linux. At least that's how it's done in Arch/mkinitcpio.
> > 
> > The rule is "don't break working systems", not "but we are allowed to break
> > systems, see it says here not to depend on this"
> > 
> > Drive ordering has been stable since the 0.1 kernel [1]
> 
> Drive probing order of USB has always been non-deterministic, so while I
> agree that it is not good to break existing systems at all, perhaps this
> is on the edge of what works vs. doesn't work?

Yeah, USB order is known to be random. But root=/dev/sda (when sda is
on SATA) is very old, and it would be good to keep it.

> I know my USB drives always seem to come up in random order, which is
> why tools like udev were invented :)
> 
> > It takes a lot longer to detect USB drives, why in the world would they be
> > detected before hard-wired drives?
> 
> Depends, some hard-wired drives take much longer to find than USB ones.
> 
> That being said, it would be great if the original reporter could use
> 'git bisect' and let the linux-usb and linux-scsi mailing list know what
> the offending patch is, and we can take it from there.

Original reporter is me :-(.

Yes, I can do bisect, if required. I'd like some kind of confirmation
that it happens on other systems...

Best regards,
									Pavel
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Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem) Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2016-08-14 10:40 +0200
  Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem) james harvey <jamespharvey20@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 11:10 +0200
    Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem) Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2016-08-14 11:10 +0200
      Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem) james harvey <jamespharvey20@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 23:50 +0200
    Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem) Bob Tracy <rct@gherkin.frus.com> - 2016-08-14 15:40 +0200
  Regression - SATA disks behind USB ones on v4.8-rc1, breaking boot.  [Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem)] Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2016-08-14 11:30 +0200
    Re: Regression - SATA disks behind USB ones on v4.8-rc1, breaking  boot. [Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem)] Tom Yan <tom.ty89@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 11:40 +0200
      Re: Regression - SATA disks behind USB ones on v4.8-rc1, breaking  boot. [Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem)] Tom Yan <tom.ty89@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 12:10 +0200
        Re: Regression - SATA disks behind USB ones on v4.8-rc1, breaking  boot. [Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem)] Tom Yan <tom.ty89@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 12:20 +0200
          Re: Regression - SATA disks behind USB ones on v4.8-rc1, breaking  boot. [Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem)] David Lang <david@lang.hm> - 2016-08-14 12:40 +0200
            Re: Regression - SATA disks behind USB ones on v4.8-rc1, breaking  boot. [Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem)] Tom Yan <tom.ty89@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 13:00 +0200
              Re: Regression - SATA disks behind USB ones on v4.8-rc1, breaking  boot. [Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem)] Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.com> - 2016-08-14 16:20 +0200
            Re: Regression - SATA disks behind USB ones on v4.8-rc1, breaking  boot. [Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem)] Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> - 2016-08-14 14:00 +0200
              Re: Regression - SATA disks behind USB ones on v4.8-rc1, breaking  boot. [Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem)] Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2016-08-14 14:10 +0200
                Re: Regression - SATA disks behind USB ones on v4.8-rc1, breaking  boot. [Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem)] Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> - 2016-08-14 16:20 +0200
                Re: Regression - SATA disks behind USB ones on v4.8-rc1, breaking  boot. [Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem)] Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2016-08-14 17:00 +0200
                Re: Regression - SATA disks behind USB ones on v4.8-rc1, breaking  boot. [Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem)] Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2016-08-14 18:20 +0200
          Re: Regression - SATA disks behind USB ones on v4.8-rc1, breaking  boot. [Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem)] Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2016-08-14 13:20 +0200
            Re: Regression - SATA disks behind USB ones on v4.8-rc1, breaking  boot. [Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem)] Tom Yan <tom.ty89@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 13:50 +0200
      Re: Regression - SATA disks behind USB ones on v4.8-rc1, breaking  boot. [Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem)] Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2016-08-14 12:10 +0200
      Re: Regression - SATA disks behind USB ones on v4.8-rc1, breaking  boot. [Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem)] One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2016-08-14 18:10 +0200
    Re: Regression - SATA disks behind USB ones on v4.8-rc1, breaking  boot. [Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem)] Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2016-08-14 12:20 +0200
      Re: Regression - SATA disks behind USB ones on v4.8-rc1, breaking  boot. [Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem)] Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2016-08-14 18:10 +0200
        Re: Regression - SATA disks behind USB ones on v4.8-rc1, breaking  boot. [Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem)] Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2016-08-14 20:00 +0200
          Re: Regression - SATA disks behind USB ones on v4.8-rc1, breaking  boot. [Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem)] Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com> - 2016-08-14 20:30 +0200
  Re: Who reordered my disks (probably v4.8-rc1 problem) "Austin S. Hemmelgarn" <ahferroin7@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 17:10 +0200

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