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Re: Please don't replace numeric parameter like 0444 with macro

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On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Konstantin Khlebnikov <koct9i@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 3:42 AM, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 02, 2016 at 04:58:29PM -0400, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>>> [ So I answered similarly to another patch, but I'll just re-iterate
>>> and change the subject line so that it stands out a bit from the
>>> millions of actual patches ]
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Everyone knows what 0644 is, but noone can read S_IRUSR | S_IWUSR |
>>> > S_IRCRP | S_IROTH (*). Please don't do this.
>>>
>>> Absolutely. It's *much* easier to parse and understand the octal
>>> numbers, while the symbolic macro names are just random line noise and
>>> hard as hell to understand. You really have to think about it.
>>>
>>> So we should rather go the other way: convert existing bad symbolic
>>> permission bit macro use to just use the octal numbers.
>>>
>>> The symbolic names are good for the *other* bits (ie sticky bit, and
>>> the inode mode _type_ numbers etc), but for the permission bits, the
>>> symbolic names are just insane crap. Nobody sane should ever use them.
>>> Not in the kernel, not in user space.
>>
>> Except that you are inviting the mixes like S_IFDIR | 17 /* oops, should've
>> been 017, or do we spell it 0017? */ that way.  I certainly agree that this
>> patch series had been a huge pile of manure, but "let's convert it in other
>> direction" is inviting pretty much the same thing, with lovely potential for
>> typos, etc.
>
> We could add several macro with readable names for really used rwx
> combinations, like:
>
> #define KERN_SECRET_RO 0400
> #define KERN_SECRET_RW 0600
> #define KERN_SECRET_WO 0200
> #define KERN_SECRET_DIR 0500
>
> #define KERN_PUBLIC_RO 0444
> #define KERN_PUBLIC_RW 0644
> #define KERN_PUBLIC_DIR 0555
>
> #define KERN_UNSAFE_RW 0666
> #define KERN_UNSAFE_WO 0222
> #define KERN_UNSAFE_DIR 0777

Or just keep it as-is, everybody can read them.
Why do we have to hide all kind of numbers behind CPP macros?
Is this a thing these days?

-- 
Thanks,
//richard

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Please don't replace numeric parameter like 0444 with macro Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2016-08-02 23:00 +0200
  Re: Please don't replace numeric parameter like 0444 with macro Rob Landley <rob@landley.net> - 2016-08-03 00:00 +0200
  [PATCH] checkpatch: Look for symbolic permissions and suggest octal instead Joe Perches <joe@perches.com> - 2016-08-03 01:50 +0200
    Re: [PATCH] checkpatch: Look for symbolic permissions and suggest  octal instead Joe Perches <joe@perches.com> - 2016-08-03 02:40 +0200
    Re: [PATCH] checkpatch: Look for symbolic permissions and suggest  octal instead Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> - 2016-08-03 04:10 +0200
  Re: Please don't replace numeric parameter like 0444 with macro Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> - 2016-08-03 02:50 +0200
    Re: Please don't replace numeric parameter like 0444 with macro Konstantin Khlebnikov <koct9i@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 10:10 +0200
      Re: Please don't replace numeric parameter like 0444 with macro Richard Weinberger <richard.weinberger@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 10:40 +0200
  [PATCH] Add file permission mode helpers Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> - 2016-08-03 10:20 +0200
    Re: [PATCH] Add file permission mode helpers Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> - 2016-08-03 10:30 +0200
      Re: [PATCH] Add file permission mode helpers Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> - 2016-08-03 11:00 +0200
        Re: [PATCH] Add file permission mode helpers Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2016-08-03 11:30 +0200
      Re: [PATCH] Add file permission mode helpers Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org> - 2016-08-03 12:00 +0200
    Re: [PATCH] Add file permission mode helpers Joe Perches <joe@perches.com> - 2016-08-03 17:50 +0200
    Re: [PATCH] Add file permission mode helpers Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2016-08-03 19:00 +0200

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