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Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of completion

From Daniel Wagner <daniel.wagner@bmw-carit.de>
Newsgroups linux.kernel
Subject Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of completion
Date 2016-08-03 09:10 +0200
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On 08/02/2016 09:41 AM, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 02, 2016 at 08:53:55AM +0200, Daniel Wagner wrote:
>> On 08/02/2016 08:34 AM, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
>>> On Tue, Aug 02, 2016 at 07:49:19AM +0200, Daniel Wagner wrote:
>> So you argue for the remoteproc use case with 100+ MB firmware that
>> if there is a way to load after pivot_root() (or other additional
>> firmware partition shows up) then there is no need at all for
>> usermode helper?
>
> No, I'm saying I'd like to hear valid uses cases for the usermode helper and so
> far I have only found using coccinelle grammar 2 explicit users, that's it. My
> patch series (not yet merge) then annotates these as valid as I've verified
> through their documentation they have some quirky requirement.

I got that question wrong. It should read something like 'for the 
remoteproc 100+MB there is no need for the user help?'. I've gone 
through your patches and they make perfectly sense too. Maybe I can 
convince you to take a better version of my patch 3 into your queue. And 
I help you converting the exiting drivers. Obviously if you like my help 
at all.

> Other than these two drivers I'd like hear to valid requirements for it.
>
> The existential issue is a real issue but it does not look impossible to
> resolve. It may be a solution to bloat up the kernel with 100+ MB size just to
> stuff built-in firmware to avoid this issue, but it does not mean a solution
> is not possible.
>
> Remind me -- why can remoteproc not stuff the firmware in initramfs ?

I don't know. I was just bringing it up with the hope that Bjorn will 
defend it. It seems my tactics didn't work out :)

> Anyway, here's a simple suggestion: fs/exec.c gets a sentinel file monitor
> support per enum kernel_read_file_id. For instance we'd have one for
> READING_FIRMWARE, one for READING_KEXEC_IMAGE, perhaps READING_POLICY, and this
> would in turn be used as the system configurable deterministic file for
> which to wait for to be present before enabling each enum kernel_read_file_id
> type read.
>
> Thoughts ?

Not sure if I get you here correctly. Is the 'system configurable 
deterministic file' is a knob which controlled by user space? Or it this 
something you define at compile time?

Hmm, so it would allow to decided to ask a userspace helper or load the 
firmware directly (to be more precised the kernel_read_file_id type). If 
yes, than it is what currently already have just integrated nicely into 
the new sysdata API.

cheers,
daniel

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[RFC v0 0/8] Reuse firmware loader helpers Daniel Wagner <wagi@monom.org> - 2016-07-28 10:00 +0200
  [RFC v0 8/8] iwl4965: use firmware_stat instead of completion Daniel Wagner <wagi@monom.org> - 2016-07-28 10:00 +0200
  [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of completion Daniel Wagner <wagi@monom.org> - 2016-07-28 10:00 +0200
    Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 20:40 +0200
      Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion Bjorn Andersson <bjorn.andersson@linaro.org> - 2016-07-28 21:10 +0200
        Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion Daniel Wagner <daniel.wagner@bmw-carit.de> - 2016-07-29 08:20 +0200
          Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion Arend van Spriel <arend.vanspriel@broadcom.com> - 2016-07-30 14:50 +0200
            Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org> - 2016-07-30 19:00 +0200
              Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of completion Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> - 2016-07-31 09:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion Daniel Wagner <daniel.wagner@bmw-carit.de> - 2016-08-01 14:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org> - 2016-08-02 00:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion Daniel Wagner <daniel.wagner@bmw-carit.de> - 2016-08-02 08:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org> - 2016-08-02 08:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion Daniel Wagner <daniel.wagner@bmw-carit.de> - 2016-08-02 09:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org> - 2016-08-02 10:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion Daniel Wagner <daniel.wagner@bmw-carit.de> - 2016-08-03 09:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 18:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org> - 2016-08-03 20:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org> - 2016-08-03 18:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org> - 2016-08-03 20:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion Bjorn Andersson <bjorn.andersson@linaro.org> - 2016-08-04 00:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of completion Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 09:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion Arend van Spriel <arend.vanspriel@broadcom.com> - 2016-08-03 13:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org> - 2016-08-03 17:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 17:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion Arend van Spriel <arend.vanspriel@broadcom.com> - 2016-08-03 23:00 +0200
                Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org> - 2016-08-03 18:10 +0200
                Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion Bjorn Andersson <bjorn.andersson@linaro.org> - 2016-08-03 19:50 +0200
                Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org> - 2016-08-03 22:40 +0200
                Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org> - 2016-08-01 22:20 +0200
              Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion Bjorn Andersson <bjorn.andersson@linaro.org> - 2016-08-01 19:30 +0200
                Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org> - 2016-08-01 22:20 +0200
                Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of  completion Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> - 2016-08-01 23:50 +0200
            Re: [RFC v0 7/8] Input: ims-pcu: use firmware_stat instead of completion Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> - 2016-07-31 09:20 +0200
  [RFC v0 2/8] selftests: firmware: do not clutter output Daniel Wagner <wagi@monom.org> - 2016-07-28 10:00 +0200
  [RFC v0 6/8] remoteproc: use firmware_stat instead of completion Daniel Wagner <wagi@monom.org> - 2016-07-28 10:00 +0200
  [RFC v0 3/8] firmware: Factor out firmware load helpers Daniel Wagner <wagi@monom.org> - 2016-07-28 10:00 +0200
    Re: [RFC v0 3/8] firmware: Factor out firmware load helpers Dan Williams <dcbw@redhat.com> - 2016-07-28 17:10 +0200
      Re: [RFC v0 3/8] firmware: Factor out firmware load helpers Daniel Wagner <daniel.wagner@bmw-carit.de> - 2016-07-29 08:10 +0200
    Re: [RFC v0 3/8] firmware: Factor out firmware load helpers Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 20:00 +0200
      Re: [RFC v0 3/8] firmware: Factor out firmware load helpers Daniel Wagner <daniel.wagner@bmw-carit.de> - 2016-07-29 08:10 +0200
  [RFC v0 4/8] Input: goodix: use firmware_stat instead of completion Daniel Wagner <wagi@monom.org> - 2016-07-28 10:00 +0200
    Re: [RFC v0 4/8] Input: goodix: use firmware_stat instead of  completion Bastien Nocera <hadess@hadess.net> - 2016-07-28 13:30 +0200
      Re: [RFC v0 4/8] Input: goodix: use firmware_stat instead of  completion Daniel Wagner <daniel.wagner@bmw-carit.de> - 2016-07-28 14:10 +0200
        Re: [RFC v0 4/8] Input: goodix: use firmware_stat instead of  completion Bastien Nocera <hadess@hadess.net> - 2016-07-28 14:30 +0200
          Re: [RFC v0 4/8] Input: goodix: use firmware_stat instead of  completion Daniel Wagner <daniel.wagner@bmw-carit.de> - 2016-07-28 15:20 +0200
  [RFC v0 1/8] selftests: firmware: do not abort test too early Daniel Wagner <wagi@monom.org> - 2016-07-28 10:00 +0200

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