Re: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy

From	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Newsgroups	linux.kernel
Subject	Re: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy
Date	2016-07-18 17:50 +0200
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> It seems strange to me to add such policies to the kernel.
> Addmittingly, documentation of some settings is non-existent and one needs
> various different tools to set this (sysctl, procfs, sysfs, ethtool, etc).

The problem is that different applications need different policies.

The only entity which can efficiently negotiate between different
applications' conflicting requests is the kernel. And that is pretty 
much the basic job description of a kernel: multiplex hardware
efficiently between different users.

So yes the user space tuning approach works for simple cases
("only run workloads that require the same tuning"), but is ultimately not
very interesting nor scalable.

-Andi

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[RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:30 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 10/30] net/netpolicy: introduce netpolicy object kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:30 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 20/30] net/netpolicy: introduce per socket netpolicy kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:30 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 28/30] net/netpolicy: optimize for queue pair kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:30 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 29/30] net/netpolicy: limit the total record number kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:30 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 30/30] Documentation/networking: Document net policy kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:30 +0200
    Re: [RFC PATCH 30/30] Documentation/networking: Document net policy Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org> - 2016-07-18 19:10 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 24/30] net/netpolicy: set rx queues according to policy kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:30 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 23/30] i40e/ethtool: support RX_CLS_LOC_ANY kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:30 +0200
    Re: [RFC PATCH 23/30] i40e/ethtool: support RX_CLS_LOC_ANY Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 18:30 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 14/30] net/netpolicy: add MIX policy kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:30 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 19/30] net/netpolicy: implement netpolicy register kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:30 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 27/30] net/netpolicy: fast path for finding the queues kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:30 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 09/30] net/netpolicy: enable and disable net policy kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:40 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 18/30] net/netpolicy: handle channel changes kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:40 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 08/30] net/netpolicy: set and remove irq affinity kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:40 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 16/30] net/netpolicy: net device hotplug kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:40 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 04/30] net/netpolicy: get driver information kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:40 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 15/30] i40e/netpolicy: add MIX policy support kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:40 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 05/30] i40e/netpolicy: implement ndo_get_irq_info kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:40 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 11/30] net/netpolicy: set net policy by policy name kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:40 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 01/30] net: introduce NET policy kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:40 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 03/30] i40e/netpolicy: Implement ndo_netpolicy_init kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:40 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 17/30] net/netpolicy: support CPU hotplug kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:40 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 02/30] net/netpolicy: init NET policy kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:40 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 06/30] net/netpolicy: get CPU information kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:40 +0200
  [RFC PATCH 07/30] net/netpolicy: create CPU and queue mapping kan.liang@intel.com - 2016-07-18 16:40 +0200
  Re: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de> - 2016-07-18 17:20 +0200
    Re: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> - 2016-07-18 17:50 +0200
      Re: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 20:00 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 22:20 +0200
          RE: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy "Liang, Kan" <kan.liang@intel.com> - 2016-07-18 22:30 +0200
        RE: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy "Liang, Kan" <kan.liang@intel.com> - 2016-07-18 22:20 +0200
      Re: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org> - 2016-07-18 21:10 +0200
        Re: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> - 2016-07-18 21:50 +0200
          Re: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org> - 2016-07-19 00:00 +0200
            RE: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy "Liang, Kan" <kan.liang@intel.com> - 2016-07-19 03:50 +0200
              Re: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> - 2016-07-19 07:10 +0200
                RE: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy "Liang, Kan" <kan.liang@intel.com> - 2016-07-19 15:50 +0200
    RE: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy "Liang, Kan" <kan.liang@intel.com> - 2016-07-18 18:00 +0200
      Re: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de> - 2016-07-18 18:20 +0200
        RE: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy "Liang, Kan" <kan.liang@intel.com> - 2016-07-18 19:50 +0200
      Re: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> - 2016-07-18 18:40 +0200
        RE: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy "Liang, Kan" <kan.liang@intel.com> - 2016-07-18 20:00 +0200
  Re: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net> - 2016-07-18 18:30 +0200
    RE: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy "Liang, Kan" <kan.liang@intel.com> - 2016-07-18 20:40 +0200
      Re: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net> - 2016-07-18 23:00 +0200
  Re: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 19:10 +0200
    RE: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy "Liang, Kan" <kan.liang@intel.com> - 2016-07-18 21:50 +0200
      Re: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Kernel NET policy Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> - 2016-07-18 22:00 +0200

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