Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces?

From	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Newsgroups	linux.kernel
Subject	Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces?
Date	2016-07-08 05:30 +0200
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On Thu, 2016-07-07 at 19:16 -0700, Andrew Vagin wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 12:17:35PM -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
> > On Thu, 2016-07-07 at 20:21 +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
> > wrote:
> > > On 7 July 2016 at 17:01, James Bottomley
> > > <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com> wrote:
> > [Serge already answered the parenting issue]
> > > > On Thu, 2016-07-07 at 08:36 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > > > > Hm.  Probably best-effort based on the process hierarchy.  So
> > > > > yeah you could probably get a tree into a state that would be
> > > > > wrongly recreated. Create a new netns, bind mount it, exit; 
> > > > >  Have 
> > > > > another task create a new user_ns, bind mount it, exit; 
> > > > >  Third 
> > > > > task setns()s first to the new netns then to the new user_ns.
> > > > >   I 
> > > > > suspect criu will recreate that wrongly.
> > > > 
> > > > This is a bit pathological, and you have to be root to do it:
> > > > so 
> > > > root can set up a nesting hierarchy, bind it and destroy the
> > > > pids 
> > > > but I know of no current orchestration system which does this.
> > > > 
> > > > Actually, I have to back pedal a bit: the way I currently set
> > > > up
> > > > architecture emulation containers does precisely this: I set up
> > > > the
> > > > namespaces unprivileged with child mount namespaces, but then I
> > > > ask
> > > > root to bind the userns and kill the process that created it so
> > > > I 
> > > > have a permanent handle to enter the namespace by, so I suspect
> > > > that when our current orchestration systems get more
> > > > sophisticated, 
> > > > they might eventually want to do something like this as well.
> > > > 
> > > > In theory, we could get nsfs to show this information as an
> > > > option
> > > > (just add a show_options entry to the superblock ops), but the 
> > > > problem is that although each namespace has a parent user_ns, 
> > > > there's no way to get it without digging in the namespace
> > > > specific 
> > > > structure.  Probably we should restructure to move it into 
> > > > ns_common, then we could display it (and enforce all namespaces
> > > > having owning user_ns) but it would be a
> > > 
> > > I'm missing something here. Is it not already the case that all
> > > namespaces have an owning user_ns?
> > 
> > Um, yes, I don't believe I said they don't.  The problem I thought
> > you
> > were having is that there's no way of seeing what it is.
> > 
> > nsfs is the Namespace fileystem where bound namespaces appear to a
> > cat
> > of /proc/self/mounts.  It can display any information that's in
> > ns_common (the common core of namespaces) but the owning user_ns
> > pointer currently isn't in this structure.  Every user namespace
> > has a
> > pointer to it, but they're all privately embedded in the individual
> > namespace specific structures.  What I was proposing was that since
> > every current namespace has a pointer somewhere to the owning user
> > namespace, we could abstract this out into ns_common so it's now
> > accessible to be displayed by nsfs, probably as a mount option.
> 
> James, I am not sure that I understood you correctly. We have one
> file system for all namespace files, how we can show per-file 
> properties in mount options.

We have two ways of getting information.  For a namespace that only
exists as a bind mount we only have what the mount/mountinfo shows, so
you see something like this:

jejb@jarvis:~> mount|grep nsfs
nsfs on /run/build-container/userns type nsfs (rw)
nsfs on /run/build-container/ppc64 type nsfs (rw)

the (rw) are the mount options.  We could add the ability to add other
mount options to this via the superblock .show_options callback.  We
could make it show the type and parent user namespace.

>  I think we can show all required information in fdinfo. We open a
> namespaces file (/proc/pid/ns/N) and then read /proc/pid/fdinfo/X for
> it.

Not if we don't have an extant process in the namespace, we can't use
these files because they don't exist, plus fdinfo on the
/proc/<pid>/ns/X doesn't tell you what the parent user_ns of X is
(again, we could add this information somewhere ... not sure where
yet).

James

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Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 10:50 +0200
  Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2016-07-06 16:20 +0200
    Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-07-06 18:00 +0200
      Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-07-08 10:00 +0200
        Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> - 2016-07-08 16:40 +0200
          Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "W. Trevor King" <wking@tremily.us> - 2016-07-08 23:00 +0200
          Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@Hansenpartnership.com> - 2016-07-09 00:30 +0200
          Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@Hansenpartnership.com> - 2016-07-09 00:30 +0200
            Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-07-09 02:10 +0200
              Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> - 2016-07-09 02:20 +0200
                Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-07-09 05:20 +0200
                Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@Hansenpartnership.com> - 2016-07-09 12:40 +0200
                Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@Hansenpartnership.com> - 2016-07-09 12:40 +0200
                Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-07-09 20:30 +0200
                Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-07-09 20:50 +0200
    Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 10:20 +0200
      Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2016-07-07 15:40 +0200
        Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> - 2016-07-07 17:10 +0200
          Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 20:30 +0200
            Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2016-07-07 20:30 +0200
            Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> - 2016-07-07 21:20 +0200
              Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> - 2016-07-08 05:30 +0200
                Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "W. Trevor King" <wking@tremily.us> - 2016-07-08 07:40 +0200
                Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "W. Trevor King" <wking@tremily.us> - 2016-07-08 08:20 +0200
                Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "W. Trevor King" <wking@tremily.us> - 2016-07-08 09:20 +0200
                Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? Andrei Vagin <avagin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 07:50 +0200
                Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? Andrei Vagin <avagin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 07:50 +0200
                Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> - 2016-07-08 08:20 +0200
                Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 13:20 +0200
              Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> - 2016-07-08 05:30 +0200
              Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 13:20 +0200
          Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "W. Trevor King" <wking@tremily.us> - 2016-07-09 05:20 +0200
            Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-07-09 05:30 +0200

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