Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces?

From	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Newsgroups	linux.kernel
Subject	Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces?
Date	2016-07-07 21:20 +0200
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On Thu, 2016-07-07 at 20:21 +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> On 7 July 2016 at 17:01, James Bottomley
> <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com> wrote:
[Serge already answered the parenting issue]
> > On Thu, 2016-07-07 at 08:36 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > > Hm.  Probably best-effort based on the process hierarchy.  So 
> > > yeah you could probably get a tree into a state that would be 
> > > wrongly recreated. Create a new netns, bind mount it, exit;  Have 
> > > another task create a new user_ns, bind mount it, exit;  Third 
> > > task setns()s first to the new netns then to the new user_ns.  I 
> > > suspect criu will recreate that wrongly.
> > 
> > This is a bit pathological, and you have to be root to do it: so 
> > root can set up a nesting hierarchy, bind it and destroy the pids 
> > but I know of no current orchestration system which does this.
> > 
> > Actually, I have to back pedal a bit: the way I currently set up
> > architecture emulation containers does precisely this: I set up the
> > namespaces unprivileged with child mount namespaces, but then I ask
> > root to bind the userns and kill the process that created it so I 
> > have a permanent handle to enter the namespace by, so I suspect 
> > that when our current orchestration systems get more sophisticated, 
> > they might eventually want to do something like this as well.
> > 
> > In theory, we could get nsfs to show this information as an option
> > (just add a show_options entry to the superblock ops), but the 
> > problem is that although each namespace has a parent user_ns, 
> > there's no way to get it without digging in the namespace specific 
> > structure.  Probably we should restructure to move it into 
> > ns_common, then we could display it (and enforce all namespaces 
> > having owning user_ns) but it would be a
> 
> I'm missing something here. Is it not already the case that all
> namespaces have an owning user_ns?

Um, yes, I don't believe I said they don't.  The problem I thought you
were having is that there's no way of seeing what it is.

nsfs is the Namespace fileystem where bound namespaces appear to a cat
of /proc/self/mounts.  It can display any information that's in
ns_common (the common core of namespaces) but the owning user_ns
pointer currently isn't in this structure.  Every user namespace has a
pointer to it, but they're all privately embedded in the individual
namespace specific structures.  What I was proposing was that since
every current namespace has a pointer somewhere to the owning user
namespace, we could abstract this out into ns_common so it's now
accessible to be displayed by nsfs, probably as a mount option.

James

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Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 10:50 +0200
  Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2016-07-06 16:20 +0200
    Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-07-06 18:00 +0200
      Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-07-08 10:00 +0200
        Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> - 2016-07-08 16:40 +0200
          Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "W. Trevor King" <wking@tremily.us> - 2016-07-08 23:00 +0200
          Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@Hansenpartnership.com> - 2016-07-09 00:30 +0200
          Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@Hansenpartnership.com> - 2016-07-09 00:30 +0200
            Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-07-09 02:10 +0200
              Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> - 2016-07-09 02:20 +0200
                Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-07-09 05:20 +0200
                Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@Hansenpartnership.com> - 2016-07-09 12:40 +0200
                Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@Hansenpartnership.com> - 2016-07-09 12:40 +0200
                Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-07-09 20:30 +0200
                Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-07-09 20:50 +0200
    Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 10:20 +0200
      Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2016-07-07 15:40 +0200
        Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> - 2016-07-07 17:10 +0200
          Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 20:30 +0200
            Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> - 2016-07-07 20:30 +0200
            Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> - 2016-07-07 21:20 +0200
              Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> - 2016-07-08 05:30 +0200
                Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "W. Trevor King" <wking@tremily.us> - 2016-07-08 07:40 +0200
                Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "W. Trevor King" <wking@tremily.us> - 2016-07-08 08:20 +0200
                Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "W. Trevor King" <wking@tremily.us> - 2016-07-08 09:20 +0200
                Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? Andrei Vagin <avagin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 07:50 +0200
                Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? Andrei Vagin <avagin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 07:50 +0200
                Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> - 2016-07-08 08:20 +0200
                Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 13:20 +0200
              Re: [CRIU] Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> - 2016-07-08 05:30 +0200
              Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 13:20 +0200
          Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? "W. Trevor King" <wking@tremily.us> - 2016-07-09 05:20 +0200
            Re: Introspecting userns relationships to other namespaces? ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2016-07-09 05:30 +0200

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