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Re: [RFC v2 4/7] powerpc: atomic: Implement xchg_* and atomic{,64}_xchg_* variants

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On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 03:44:07PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 01, 2015 at 07:03:01PM +0100, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 01, 2015 at 07:13:04PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Thu, Oct 01, 2015 at 08:09:09AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Oct 01, 2015 at 02:24:40PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > I must say I'm somewhat surprised by this level of relaxation, I had
> > > > > expected to only loose SMP barriers, not the program order ones.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Is there a good argument for this?
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, when we say "relaxed", we really mean relaxed.  ;-)
> > > > 
> > > > Both the CPU and the compiler are allowed to reorder around relaxed
> > > > operations.
> > > 
> > > Is this documented somewhere, because I completely missed this part.
> > 
> > Well, yes, these need to be added to the documentation.  I am assuming
> > that Will is looking to have the same effect as C11 memory_order_relaxed,
> > which is relaxed in this sense.  If he has something else in mind,
> > he needs to tell us what it is and why.  ;-)
> 
> I was treating them purely as being single-copy atomic and not providing
> any memory ordering guarantees (much like the non *_return atomic operations
> that we already have). I think this lines up with C11, minus the bits
> about data races which we don't call out anyway.

As long as it is single-copy atomic and not multi-copy atomic, I believe
we are on the saem page.  We have slowly been outlawing some sorts of
data races over the past few years, and I would guess that this will
continue, expecially if good tooling emerges (and KTSAN is showing some
promise from what I can see).

							Thanx, Paul

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Re: [RFC v2 4/7] powerpc: atomic: Implement xchg_* and  atomic{,64}_xchg_* variants Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2015-10-01 14:30 +0200
  Re: [RFC v2 4/7] powerpc: atomic: Implement xchg_* and  atomic{,64}_xchg_* variants "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2015-10-01 17:10 +0200
    Re: [RFC v2 4/7] powerpc: atomic: Implement xchg_* and  atomic{,64}_xchg_* variants Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2015-10-01 19:20 +0200
      Re: [RFC v2 4/7] powerpc: atomic: Implement xchg_* and  atomic{,64}_xchg_* variants "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2015-10-01 20:10 +0200
        Re: [RFC v2 4/7] powerpc: atomic: Implement xchg_* and  atomic{,64}_xchg_* variants Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2015-10-01 20:30 +0200
          Re: [RFC v2 4/7] powerpc: atomic: Implement xchg_* and  atomic{,64}_xchg_* variants "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2015-10-01 21:50 +0200
        Re: [RFC v2 4/7] powerpc: atomic: Implement xchg_* and  atomic{,64}_xchg_* variants Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com> - 2015-10-05 16:50 +0200
          Re: [RFC v2 4/7] powerpc: atomic: Implement xchg_* and  atomic{,64}_xchg_* variants "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2015-10-06 03:00 +0200
        Re: [RFC v2 4/7] powerpc: atomic: Implement xchg_* and  atomic{,64}_xchg_* variants Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com> - 2015-10-12 03:20 +0200
          Re: [RFC v2 4/7] powerpc: atomic: Implement xchg_* and  atomic{,64}_xchg_* variants Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com> - 2015-10-12 11:30 +0200
          Re: [RFC v2 4/7] powerpc: atomic: Implement xchg_* and  atomic{,64}_xchg_* variants "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> - 2015-10-13 01:30 +0200

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