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Re: Failover root devices

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On 17.09.2015 20:28, Drew DeVault wrote:
> I don't think this is a strong argument against this feature. The implementation of this feature
> will be pretty straightfoward - only a small part of the code has to actually change its behavior
> and it can do without changing the interfaces it already relies on. On top of that, I don't think it
> can be done "nicely" in userspace anyway.

I personally think this is opening a can of worms. Now it's just a list of alternative root devices. 
But the kernel knows absolutely nothing about these. When is it fine to try an alternative? Why did 
the first one not work? Did we just not wait long enough? Or is it a failed RAID device? Or is it an 
encrypted disk that needs setup? Or is it on NFS and the network is not available (or we are lacking 
driver firmware)?

It could actually introduce security problems: if I know that a device will fallback to an 
alternative root (under my control), I can try and DOS the primary root.

In short: if a simple root device doesn't work for you, you should *really* use an initramfs.

One could even argue to remove the boot= parameter altogether and always use initramfs :-)

Ortwin
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Re: Failover root devices Ortwin Glück <odi@odi.ch> - 2015-09-17 13:50 +0200
  Re: Failover root devices Drew DeVault <sir@cmpwn.com> - 2015-09-17 14:00 +0200
    Re: Failover root devices Richard Weinberger <richard.weinberger@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 19:50 +0200
      Re: Failover root devices Drew DeVault <sir@cmpwn.com> - 2015-09-17 19:50 +0200
        Re: Failover root devices Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at> - 2015-09-17 20:00 +0200
          Re: Failover root devices Drew DeVault <sir@cmpwn.com> - 2015-09-17 20:10 +0200
            Re: Failover root devices Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at> - 2015-09-17 20:20 +0200
              Re: Failover root devices Drew DeVault <sir@cmpwn.com> - 2015-09-17 20:20 +0200
                Re: Failover root devices Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at> - 2015-09-17 20:20 +0200
                Re: Failover root devices Drew DeVault <sir@cmpwn.com> - 2015-09-17 20:30 +0200
                Re: Failover root devices Drew DeVault <sir@cmpwn.com> - 2015-09-17 20:30 +0200
                Re: Failover root devices Ortwin Glück <odi@odi.ch> - 2015-09-18 17:00 +0200
                Re: Failover root devices Drew DeVault <sir@cmpwn.com> - 2015-09-18 17:10 +0200
                Re: Failover root devices Ortwin Glück <odi@odi.ch> - 2015-09-18 17:10 +0200
                Re: Failover root devices Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 17:40 +0200
                Re: Failover root devices Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at> - 2015-09-17 20:30 +0200
              Re: Failover root devices Harald Hoyer <harald.hoyer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 20:30 +0200
                Re: Failover root devices Drew DeVault <sir@cmpwn.com> - 2015-09-17 20:30 +0200
                Re: Failover root devices Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at> - 2015-09-17 20:40 +0200
                Re: Failover root devices Drew DeVault <sir@cmpwn.com> - 2015-09-17 20:40 +0200
                Re: Failover root devices Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at> - 2015-09-17 20:50 +0200
                Re: Failover root devices Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at> - 2015-09-17 20:30 +0200
      Re: Failover root devices Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 20:40 +0200
        Re: Failover root devices Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at> - 2015-09-17 20:50 +0200
          Re: Failover root devices Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 16:50 +0200

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