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Re: [PATCH v2] reboot: Backup orderly_poweroff

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* Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:23:54PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > * Keerthy <a0393675@ti.com> wrote:
> > > I tried to simulate the issue.
> > > 
> > > In the probe function of drivers/thermal/ti-soc-thermal/ti-bandgap.c
> > > ti_bandgap_probe i call
> > > 
> > > orderly_poweroff(true);
> > > 
> > > This is while driver probes are still on going. I observe that
> > > ret = run_cmd(poweroff_cmd);
> > > 
> > > ret is a non-zero value and we enter the if condition:
> > > 
> > > Even after the
> > > 
> > > emergency_sync();
> > > kernel_power_off();
> > > 
> > > calls
> > > 
> > > the console remained active in weird state.
> > 
> > Now _that_ is clearly an architecture bug that should not be papered over ...
> 
> No, it's not an architecture bug - it's a platform bug. [...]

It's an 'architecture bug' in Linux kernel speak: all stuff that is traditionally 
under arch/*. The 'arch' in that directory name derives from 'architecture'.

kernel_power_off() is a traditionally architecture level (not core kernel level 
and not driver level) code.

> [...] The ARM architecture has no standard way to control CPU reset or system 
> power, all that is up to the platform.

... and platform code is typically part of arch/ as well.

FYI, you are making an unnecessarily obtuse argument by insisting on the 
architecture != platform triviality and you also injected an uncalled for 
patronizing tone into this discussion by pretending that I don't know that 
distinction. It's sad.

> > If kernel_power_off() is called then the system should power off. No ifs and 
> > whens.
> 
> There definitely are ifs and whens.  Only if the platform has support, and when 
> that support works.

And that is precisely what I meant: in a correctly working kernel, with correctly 
working hardware, in a correctly working universe, the core kernel expects 
kernel_power_off() to never 'fail'.

As the name suggests.

Yes, bugs in user-space, kernel-space, hardware and designed buggy hardware might 
prevent a reboot - as usual.

I.e. I NAK this patch from a core kernel perspective, we don't add such 
workarounds without a lot more information about why it's the right thing to do.

Thanks,

	Ingo

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[PATCH v2] reboot: Backup orderly_poweroff  Keerthy <j-keerthy@ti.com> - 2016-01-13 13:40 +0100
  Re: [PATCH v2] reboot: Backup orderly_poweroff Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> - 2016-01-14 10:10 +0100
    Re: [PATCH v2] reboot: Backup orderly_poweroff Keerthy <a0393675@ti.com> - 2016-01-14 10:30 +0100
      Re: [PATCH v2] reboot: Backup orderly_poweroff Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> - 2016-01-14 11:10 +0100
        Re: [PATCH v2] reboot: Backup orderly_poweroff Keerthy <a0393675@ti.com> - 2016-01-14 11:50 +0100
          Re: [PATCH v2] reboot: Backup orderly_poweroff Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> - 2016-01-14 12:30 +0100
            Re: [PATCH v2] reboot: Backup orderly_poweroff One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> - 2016-01-14 14:30 +0100
              Re: [PATCH v2] reboot: Backup orderly_poweroff Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> - 2016-01-15 11:20 +0100
                Re: [PATCH v2] reboot: Backup orderly_poweroff Grygorii Strashko <grygorii.strashko@ti.com> - 2016-01-15 14:40 +0100
                Re: [PATCH v2] reboot: Backup orderly_poweroff Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2016-01-15 15:20 +0100
                Re: [PATCH v2] reboot: Backup orderly_poweroff Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> - 2016-01-19 10:10 +0100
                Re: [PATCH v2] reboot: Backup orderly_poweroff Keerthy <a0393675@ti.com> - 2016-01-19 11:40 +0100
            Re: [PATCH v2] reboot: Backup orderly_poweroff Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2016-01-14 15:30 +0100
              Re: [PATCH v2] reboot: Backup orderly_poweroff Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> - 2016-01-15 11:20 +0100
                Re: [PATCH v2] reboot: Backup orderly_poweroff Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> - 2016-01-15 12:10 +0100

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