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Re: [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 6/7] mm: Add Kconfig option for slab sanitization

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On 12/22/2015 11:13 AM, Laura Abbott wrote:
>> 3. Zero at free, *don't* Zero at alloc (when __GFP_ZERO)
>>     (what I'm suggesting, possibly less perf impact vs. #2)
> 
> poisoning with non-zero memory makes it easier to determine that the error
> came from accessing the sanitized memory vs. some other case. I don't think
> the feature would be as strong if the memory was only zeroed vs. some other
> data value.

How does that scenario work?  Your patch description says:

> +	  Use-after-free bugs for structures containing
> +	  pointers can also be detected as dereferencing the sanitized pointer
> +	  will generate an access violation.

In the case that we wrote all zeros, we'd be accessing userspace at a
known place that we don't generally allow memory to be mapped anyway.
Could you elaborate on a scenario where zeros are weaker than a random
poison value?

In any case (if a poison value is superior to 0's), it's a balance
between performance vs. the likelihood of the poisoned value being
tripped over.

I think the performance impact of this feature is going to be *the*
major thing that keeps folks from using it in practice.  I'm trying to
suggest a way that you _might_ preserve some performance, and get more
folks to use it.

1. Keep information from leaking (doesn't matter which value we write)
2. Detect use-after-free bugs (0's are less likely to be detected???)
3. Preserve performance (0's are likely to preserve more performance)
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[RFC][PATCH 0/7] Sanitization of slabs based on grsecurity/PaX Laura Abbott <laura@labbott.name> - 2015-12-22 04:50 +0100
  [RFC][PATCH 6/7] mm: Add Kconfig option for slab sanitization Laura Abbott <laura@labbott.name> - 2015-12-22 04:50 +0100
    Re: [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 6/7] mm: Add Kconfig option for  slab sanitization Mathias Krause <minipli@googlemail.com> - 2015-12-22 10:40 +0100
      Re: [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 6/7] mm: Add Kconfig option for  slab sanitization Laura Abbott <laura@labbott.name> - 2015-12-22 19:00 +0100
        Re: [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 6/7] mm: Add Kconfig option for  slab sanitization Mathias Krause <minipli@googlemail.com> - 2015-12-22 19:40 +0100
          Re: [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 6/7] mm: Add Kconfig option for  slab sanitization Laura Abbott <laura@labbott.name> - 2015-12-22 20:20 +0100
          Re: [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 6/7] mm: Add Kconfig option for  slab sanitization Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com> - 2015-12-22 21:10 +0100
            Re: [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 6/7] mm: Add Kconfig option for  slab sanitization Mathias Krause <minipli@googlemail.com> - 2015-12-22 21:10 +0100
    Re: [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 6/7] mm: Add Kconfig option for  slab sanitization Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com> - 2015-12-22 16:00 +0100
      Re: [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 6/7] mm: Add Kconfig option for  slab sanitization Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com> - 2015-12-22 17:30 +0100
        Re: [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 6/7] mm: Add Kconfig option for  slab sanitization Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com> - 2015-12-22 18:30 +0100
          Re: [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 6/7] mm: Add Kconfig option for  slab sanitization Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com> - 2015-12-22 19:10 +0100
            Re: [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 6/7] mm: Add Kconfig option for  slab sanitization Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com> - 2015-12-22 19:20 +0100
              Re: [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 6/7] mm: Add Kconfig option for  slab sanitization Laura Abbott <laura@labbott.name> - 2015-12-22 20:20 +0100
                Re: [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 6/7] mm: Add Kconfig option for  slab sanitization Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com> - 2015-12-22 20:40 +0100
        Re: [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 6/7] mm: Add Kconfig option for  slab sanitization Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com> - 2015-12-22 18:30 +0100
        Re: [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 6/7] mm: Add Kconfig option for  slab sanitization Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com> - 2015-12-22 18:30 +0100
  [RFC][PATCH 4/7] slob: Add support for sanitization Laura Abbott <laura@labbott.name> - 2015-12-22 04:50 +0100
  [RFC][PATCH 3/7] slab: Add support for sanitization Laura Abbott <laura@labbott.name> - 2015-12-22 04:50 +0100
  [RFC][PATCH 7/7] lkdtm: Add READ_AFTER_FREE test Laura Abbott <laura@labbott.name> - 2015-12-22 04:50 +0100
  [RFC][PATCH 5/7] mm: Mark several cases as SLAB_NO_SANITIZE Laura Abbott <laura@labbott.name> - 2015-12-22 04:50 +0100
  [RFC][PATCH 1/7] mm/slab_common.c: Add common support for slab saniziation Laura Abbott <laura@labbott.name> - 2015-12-22 04:50 +0100
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/7] mm/slab_common.c: Add common support for slab  saniziation Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz> - 2015-12-22 21:50 +0100
  [RFC][PATCH 2/7] slub: Add support for sanitization Laura Abbott <laura@labbott.name> - 2015-12-22 04:50 +0100
  Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/7] Sanitization of slabs based on grsecurity/PaX Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com> - 2015-12-22 17:10 +0100
    Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/7] Sanitization of slabs  based on grsecurity/PaX Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com> - 2015-12-22 17:20 +0100
    Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/7] Sanitization of slabs  based on grsecurity/PaX Daniel Micay <danielmicay@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 17:40 +0100
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/7] Sanitization of slabs based on grsecurity/PaX Laura Abbott <laura@labbott.name> - 2015-12-22 21:10 +0100

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