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Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and default it to 'n')

From Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru>
Newsgroups linux.kernel
Subject Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and default it to 'n')
Date 2015-09-03 19:30 +0200
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03.09.2015 19:57, Linus Torvalds пишет:
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Austin S Hemmelgarn
> <ahferroin7@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This lets you turn this on or off at runtime.
> 
> Tangential aside: we already effectively have a flag that could turn
> off vm86 mode dynamically: /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr.
> 
> Sadly (or not) we default it to 4096, which still leaves vm86 mode
> usable, although it effectively disables *dos* use for it. Which is
> kind of the worst of both worlds: you can use the vm86() system call
> for bad things (if you can find a hole in it), but you probably cannot
> actually use it for DOS emulation, because the traditional BIOS data
> segment is at 0040.
> 
> Anyway, what that means is that pretty much the only *valid* use of
> vm86() mode is probably when the system maintainer has set
> 'mmap_min_addr' to zero. So we could probably use that as an already
> existing flag that disallows vm86 by our current default values.
> 
> Stas - can you confirm that to actually use vm86 mode, you end up
> setting that mmap_min_addr thing to zero? Or do you end up using a
> mixed-mode setup, where you use vm86() for most things, but emulate
> things that trap in the zero page?
Yes, good point.
dosemu complains about /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr.
Trapping on zero-page access will likely not work, because
IIRC some distros raise that value even more.
So yes, please use that to completely disable vm86().
You won't even break dosemu's checks, because it (obviously)
tries mmap() before trying vm86().

Thanks!
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stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-09-02 11:40 +0200
  Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-09-02 16:10 +0200
    Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2015-09-02 17:40 +0200
    Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-09-02 19:40 +0200
    Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Josh Boyer <jwboyer@fedoraproject.org> - 2015-09-02 19:50 +0200
      Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-09-02 20:00 +0200
        Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Josh Boyer <jwboyer@fedoraproject.org> - 2015-09-02 22:30 +0200
          Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-09-02 22:50 +0200
            Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-09-02 23:00 +0200
              Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Josh Boyer <jwboyer@fedoraproject.org> - 2015-09-02 23:00 +0200
              Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-09-02 23:10 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-09-02 23:50 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-09-02 23:50 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 14:20 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-09-03 14:20 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 17:50 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-09-03 18:40 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 21:00 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-09-03 23:30 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86  and default it to 'n') Chuck Ebbert <cebbert.lkml@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 12:10 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-09-04 12:50 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 14:40 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-09-04 15:10 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 22:00 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-09-04 23:20 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-09-04 23:30 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Raymond Jennings <shentino@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 00:50 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-09-05 01:20 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-09-04 00:40 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-09-03 19:00 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-09-03 19:30 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-09-03 19:40 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-09-03 19:30 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-09-03 19:20 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-09-03 14:10 +0200
                Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 14:10 +0200
      Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2015-09-02 20:00 +0200
        Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Josh Boyer <jwboyer@fedoraproject.org> - 2015-09-02 22:30 +0200
      Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-09-02 20:20 +0200
        Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and  default it to 'n') Josh Boyer <jwboyer@fedoraproject.org> - 2015-09-02 22:30 +0200

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