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Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu

From Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Newsgroups linux.kernel
Subject Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu
Date 2015-08-14 03:40 +0200
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On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> wrote:
> 14.08.2015 04:21, Andy Lutomirski пишет:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> wrote:
>>>
>>> 14.08.2015 03:27, Linus Torvalds пишет:
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> For example because you can as well do:
>>>>> prctl(ARCH_SET_SIGNAL_SS, 0)
>>>>> which will mean "restore ss in sighandler to its current value",
>>>>
>>>> I really think a prctl() is the wrong thing to do.
>>>>
>>>> If you want a signal handler to save/restore segments, I think it
>>>> should be a SA_xyz flag to sigaction() (the way we have SA_RESTART
>>>
>>> Yes, I was proposing the new sigaction() flag in this thread
>>> already too. But at the end, prctl() looks better to me because
>>> it allows to pass the TLS value to use when restoring FS.
>>> The thing is that I am trying to find the similar treatment for
>>> both the SS and FS problems. If you don't think they need a
>>> similar treatment, then perhaps the Andy's patch is enough.
>>>
>>>> etc).  And off by default because of the obvious compatibility issues.
>>>
>>> Of course.
>>>
>>> So, what we have right now (in the latest Andy's patch) is:
>>> 1. lar heuristics
>>> 2. new uc_flags flag
>>>
>>> What it solves: dosemu's regression.
>>>
>>> What prctl() can give:
>>> - fix to dosemu's regression
>>> - fix to the TLS problem in the future
>>> - no hack and heuristics
>>>
>>> With SA_xyz you can only solve the SS problem, so it is
>>> probably not any better than the uc_flags things coded
>>> up by Andy.
>>
>> I'm leaning slightly toward LAR heuristic + SA_SAVE_SS.
>
> Stop right here, doesn't the SA_xyz allow to avoid the
> lar heuristic? Why would you still need the lar heuristic then?
> Just call it SA_RESTORE_SS instead of SA_SAVE_SS, and
> the lar heuristic is gone.

The LAR heuristic is about five lines of code, and it makes signal
delivery more reliable.  Sure, we could gate the "regs->ss =
__USER_DS" line on a flag, but why?

>
>> Unfortunately, I don't think we were clever enough to allow this to be
>> probed easily -- we silently ignore unrecognized sa_flags bits.
>
> Big deal, check the kversion. :)

Not so good.  For example, if you made your DOSEMU patch to use the
saved SS check the version, then the backported revert would break
you.

--Andy
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[regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered to  64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-12 02:20 +0200
  Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-12 02:40 +0200
    Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-12 10:30 +0200
      Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-12 18:20 +0200
        Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-12 19:10 +0200
          Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-12 20:30 +0200
            Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-12 21:00 +0200
              Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-12 21:30 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-12 22:00 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-12 22:10 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-12 22:20 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-12 22:30 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-12 22:50 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-12 23:00 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-12 23:40 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-13 00:00 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-13 00:10 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals  delivered to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> - 2015-08-13 10:50 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-13 12:20 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-13 14:50 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-13 17:00 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-13 17:30 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-13 17:40 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-13 18:10 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-13 18:20 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-13 18:30 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-13 18:40 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-13 18:50 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-13 18:50 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-13 19:10 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-13 19:20 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-13 19:20 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-13 20:10 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-13 20:10 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-13 20:30 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-13 20:40 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-13 20:30 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-13 18:30 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-13 13:10 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-12 22:50 +0200
  Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-08-13 17:40 +0200
    Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-13 17:50 +0200
      Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-08-13 18:20 +0200
        Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-13 18:30 +0200
          Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-08-13 18:40 +0200
            Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-13 18:50 +0200
            Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-08-13 18:50 +0200
      Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com> - 2015-08-13 19:10 +0200
        Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-18 08:40 +0200
          Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-19 00:50 +0200
            Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-19 11:40 +0200
              Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-19 17:50 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-19 18:40 +0200
          Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-19 00:50 +0200
            Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-19 12:20 +0200
              Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-19 17:40 +0200
      Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals  delivered to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 10:20 +0200
    Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-13 20:00 +0200
      Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-08-13 20:40 +0200
        Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-13 20:50 +0200
          Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-13 21:10 +0200
            Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-13 21:50 +0200
              Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-13 22:20 +0200
          Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-08-13 22:00 +0200
            Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals  delivered to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com> - 2015-08-13 22:10 +0200
              Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-08-13 22:10 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Raymond Jennings <shentino@gmail.com> - 2015-08-13 23:50 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-08-13 23:50 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Raymond Jennings <shentino@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 00:10 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-14 00:10 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-08-14 01:10 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-08-14 01:20 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Raymond Jennings <shentino@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 01:40 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-14 01:50 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-08-14 02:10 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-14 00:10 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-14 00:20 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-14 00:30 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-14 00:40 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-14 01:00 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-14 01:10 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-14 01:20 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-14 02:10 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-14 02:20 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-08-14 02:30 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-14 03:00 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-14 03:30 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-14 03:40 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-14 04:10 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-18 08:30 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-14 03:40 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-08-14 02:10 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-14 02:30 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-08-14 02:50 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-14 02:10 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals  delivered to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 09:30 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@parallels.com> - 2015-08-14 12:10 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals  delivered to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 13:00 +0200
        Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-13 21:00 +0200
          Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-08-13 21:10 +0200
            Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> - 2015-08-13 21:20 +0200
              Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-08-13 21:50 +0200
                Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered  to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-08-13 22:10 +0200
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