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Re: Dealing with the NMI mess

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On 24/07/2015 19:20, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > Andy, section 5.8 of the SDM makes me think we could possibly abuse SYSRET
> > to emulate IRET, and then possibly simplify the flags processing. It says
> > that it takes the CPL3 code segment but nowhere it says that the target is
> > validated for effectively being userland, and further it suggests that it
> > doesn't validate anything :
> >
> >   "It is the responsibility of the OS to ensure the descriptors in
> >    the GDT/LDT correspond to the selectors loaded by SYSCALL/SYSRET
> >    (consistent with the base, limit, and attribute values forced by
> >    the instructions)."
> You are an evil bastard.  I seriously doubt that this will work.
> SYSRET goes to CPL3 no matter what.  Also, I don't think you want to
> start poking at MSRs to return.

On Intel the bottom two bits of the selector are forced to 11.  The
pseudocode of SYSRET in the SDM has an explicit

	CS.Selector ← (IA32_STAR[63:48]+ either 0 or 16) OR 3;
	...
	SS.Selector ← (IA32_STAR[63:48]+8) OR 3;

On AMD it's even worse, because you get a weird state with
CS.DPL=CS.RPL=SS.DPL=SS.RPL=0 but still the CPL is 3.  This is seriously
messed up because the CPL is always SS.DPL except in this case.  AMD
even had to add a separate field for the CPL to their VM control block,
just to account for this case.  Intel more sanely uses SS.DPL.

Paolo
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Re: Dealing with the NMI mess Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> - 2015-07-23 23:40 +0200
  Re: Dealing with the NMI mess Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-07-23 23:50 +0200
    Re: Dealing with the NMI mess Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-07-24 00:00 +0200
      Re: Dealing with the NMI mess Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2015-07-24 00:10 +0200
        Re: Dealing with the NMI mess Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2015-07-24 10:20 +0200
          Re: Dealing with the NMI mess Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2015-07-24 11:10 +0200
          Re: Dealing with the NMI mess Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> - 2015-07-24 14:00 +0200
            Re: Dealing with the NMI mess Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2015-07-24 14:50 +0200
              Re: Dealing with the NMI mess Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> - 2015-07-24 15:10 +0200
                Re: Dealing with the NMI mess Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2015-07-24 15:30 +0200
                Re: Dealing with the NMI mess Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2015-07-24 15:40 +0200
                Re: Dealing with the NMI mess Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2015-07-24 15:40 +0200
                Re: Dealing with the NMI mess Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> - 2015-07-30 17:50 +0200
                Re: Dealing with the NMI mess Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de> - 2015-07-31 06:30 +0200
          Re: Dealing with the NMI mess Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> - 2015-07-30 18:00 +0200
  Re: Dealing with the NMI mess Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2015-07-23 23:50 +0200
    Re: Dealing with the NMI mess Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2015-07-24 00:00 +0200
  Re: Dealing with the NMI mess Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2015-07-23 23:50 +0200

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