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  Virtual Box Peter Hillier-Brook <phb@hbsys.plus.com> - 2019-08-02 19:20 +0200
    Re: Virtual Box Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2019-08-02 19:20 +0200
      Re: Virtual Box Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2019-08-03 09:30 +0200
        Re: Virtual Box Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2019-08-03 13:20 +0200
          Re: Virtual Box Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-08-06 08:40 +0200
            Bug#934203: Please make it easier to trust external repositories without trusting their key for everything else Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-08-08 09:00 +0200
    Re: Virtual Box Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> - 2019-08-02 19:40 +0200
      Re: Virtual Box Peter Hillier-Brook <phb@hbsys.plus.com> - 2019-08-03 00:50 +0200
      Re: Virtual Box deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-08-03 03:30 +0200
      Re: Virtual Box Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-08-06 08:40 +0200
        virt-manager (was Re: Virtual Box) The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2019-08-06 16:50 +0200
          Re: virt-manager (was Re: Virtual Box) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-08-06 17:30 +0200
            Re: virt-manager (was Re: Virtual Box) The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2019-08-06 17:50 +0200
              Re: virt-manager (was Re: Virtual Box) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-08-06 18:00 +0200
          Re: virt-manager (was Re: Virtual Box) Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-08-07 06:10 +0200
    Re: Virtual Box Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2019-08-02 22:50 +0200
      Re: Virtual Box Peter Hillier-Brook <phb@hbsys.plus.com> - 2019-08-03 01:00 +0200
    Re: Virtual Box Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2019-08-02 23:50 +0200
      Re: Virtual Box Peter Hillier-Brook <phb@hbsys.plus.com> - 2019-08-03 01:00 +0200
      Re: Virtual Box deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-08-03 03:30 +0200
        Re: Virtual Box Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2019-08-03 06:20 +0200
      Re: Virtual Box Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-08-05 14:50 +0200
        Re: Virtual Box Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2019-08-05 17:50 +0200
          Re: Virtual Box Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-08-05 18:00 +0200
            Re: Virtual Box Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2019-08-05 21:10 +0200
              Re: Virtual Box David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-08-05 22:20 +0200
                Re: Virtual Box Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2019-08-05 23:30 +0200
              Re: Virtual Box Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-08-06 07:50 +0200
    Re: Virtual Box Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2019-08-03 04:10 +0200
    Re: Virtual Box Peter Hillier-Brook <phb@hbsys.plus.com> - 2019-08-03 13:50 +0200

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#212151 — Virtual Box

Given that VBox is no longer in the Buster repositories I tried to
install the Stretch .deb package from the VBox web site. dpkg failed
because of dependency problems, including libvpx4 that is not in the
Buster repositories.

Anyone have any thoughts?

Peter HB

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#212152

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* On 2019 02 Aug 12:11 -0500, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote:
> Given that VBox is no longer in the Buster repositories I tried to
> install the Stretch .deb package from the VBox web site. dpkg failed
> because of dependency problems, including libvpx4 that is not in the
> Buster repositories.
> 
> Anyone have any thoughts?

I grabbed the .debs from the Sid repository and manually installed them.
I've not gotten around to setting up pinning to track them
automatically.

- Nate

-- 

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#212167

Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> wrote:
> On 2019 02 Aug 12:11 -0500, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote:

>> Given that VBox is no longer in the Buster repositories I tried to
>> install the Stretch .deb package from the VBox web site. dpkg failed
>> because of dependency problems, including libvpx4 that is not in the
>> Buster repositories.
>> 
>> Anyone have any thoughts?

> I grabbed the .debs from the Sid repository and manually installed
> them.  I've not gotten around to setting up pinning to track them
> automatically.

This will work for now, because Buster and Sid are still quite similar
but as soon as Sid diverges farther from Buster, this will fail or
worse, pull many dependencies from Sid into you Buster installation.

S!

-- 
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.

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#212179

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* On 2019 03 Aug 02:25 -0500, Sven Hartge wrote:
> Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> wrote:
> > On 2019 02 Aug 12:11 -0500, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote:
> 
> >> Given that VBox is no longer in the Buster repositories I tried to
> >> install the Stretch .deb package from the VBox web site. dpkg failed
> >> because of dependency problems, including libvpx4 that is not in the
> >> Buster repositories.
> >> 
> >> Anyone have any thoughts?
> 
> > I grabbed the .debs from the Sid repository and manually installed
> > them.  I've not gotten around to setting up pinning to track them
> > automatically.
> 
> This will work for now, because Buster and Sid are still quite similar
> but as soon as Sid diverges farther from Buster, this will fail or
> worse, pull many dependencies from Sid into you Buster installation.

I understand that.  I hope that by that time I'll be so bored with the
stability of Buster that it will be time to move up to Bullseye while it
is still Testing.

- Nate

-- 

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."

Web: https://www.n0nb.us
Projects: https://github.com/N0NB
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#212298

On 3/8/19 9:10 pm, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2019 03 Aug 02:25 -0500, Sven Hartge wrote:
>> Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> wrote:
>>> On 2019 02 Aug 12:11 -0500, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote:
>>
>>>> Given that VBox is no longer in the Buster repositories I tried to
>>>> install the Stretch .deb package from the VBox web site. dpkg failed
>>>> because of dependency problems, including libvpx4 that is not in the
>>>> Buster repositories.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have any thoughts?
>>
>>> I grabbed the .debs from the Sid repository and manually installed
>>> them.  I've not gotten around to setting up pinning to track them
>>> automatically.
>>
>> This will work for now, because Buster and Sid are still quite similar
>> but as soon as Sid diverges farther from Buster, this will fail or
>> worse, pull many dependencies from Sid into you Buster installation.
> 
> I understand that.  I hope that by that time I'll be so bored with the
> stability of Buster that it will be time to move up to Bullseye while it
> is still Testing.
> 
> - Nate
> 



I found a simple guide at


https://www.linuxbabe.com/debian/install-latest-virtualbox-6-0-10-debian-10-buster


In summary:
Create new sources file:
sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list.d/oracle-virtualbox.list

with this text:
deb https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian buster contrib


Run this command to add key:
wget -q https://www.virtualbox.org/download/oracle_vbox_2016.asc -O- | 
sudo apt-key add -


apt(-get) update
and install
apt(-get) install virtualbox-6.0

This installed Version 6.0.10 r132072 (Qt5.9.5)



-- 
Keith Bainbridge

ke1th3216@gmail.com
+61 (0)447 667 468

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#212404 — Bug#934203: Please make it easier to trust external repositories without trusting their key for everything else

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Package: apt
Severity: wishlist

On Ma, 06 aug 19, 16:22:34, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
> 
> I found a simple guide at
> 
> 
> https://www.linuxbabe.com/debian/install-latest-virtualbox-6-0-10-debian-10-buster
> 
> 
> In summary:
> Create new sources file:
> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list.d/oracle-virtualbox.list
> 
> with this text:
> deb https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian buster contrib
> 
> 
> Run this command to add key:
> wget -q https://www.virtualbox.org/download/oracle_vbox_2016.asc -O- | sudo
> apt-key add -
> 
> 
> apt(-get) update
> and install
> apt(-get) install virtualbox-6.0
> 
> This installed Version 6.0.10 r132072 (Qt5.9.5)

This procedure will automatically make the Oracle key trusted for *all* 
configured repositories (notably Debian).

If my reading of sources.list(5) is correct one could store the key in a 
directory that is *not* /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ and use Signed-By in 
sources.list to point apt to the correct key.

Please make this more obvious/easier to setup, e.g. by shipping an 
external.gpg.d/ directory, or making this setup more obvious in the 
manpage.

Another idea would be for apt to consider only repository keys installed 
in a repository-specific location (e.g. path/filename based on 
origin/label/etc.).

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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phb, on 2019-08-02:
> Given that VBox is no longer in the Buster repositories I tried to
> install the Stretch .deb package from the VBox web site. dpkg failed
> because of dependency problems, including libvpx4 that is not in the
> Buster repositories.
>
> Anyone have any thoughts?

Good day Peter,

If you can afford a change of virtualization technology, then
you could try one of the free and open source alternatives made
available in Debian 10 perhaps.  Notably, one can mention Qemu,
Xen, and KVM.

Since you are coming from the VirtualBox world, I would suggest
to check out the package "virt-manager" which provides a GUI
allowing to drive your KVM virtual machines.  You may find more
details about this program on its homepage:

	https://virt-manager.org/

But the best way to get an idea of how things work in there, is
to try it by yourself.  In the early days of virt-manager in
Debian, there were several subtleties to be aware of once you
wanted an advanced setup, but I believe things went better in
later Debian revisions.

Kind Regards,
-- 
Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org>
               5ab1 4edf 63bb ccff 8b54 2fa9 59da 56fe fff3 882d

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#212156

On 02/08/2019 18:39, Étienne Mollier wrote:
> phb, on 2019-08-02:
>> Given that VBox is no longer in the Buster repositories I tried to
>> install the Stretch .deb package from the VBox web site. dpkg failed
>> because of dependency problems, including libvpx4 that is not in the
>> Buster repositories.
>>
>> Anyone have any thoughts?
> 
> Good day Peter,
> 
> If you can afford a change of virtualization technology, then
> you could try one of the free and open source alternatives made
> available in Debian 10 perhaps.  Notably, one can mention Qemu,
> Xen, and KVM.
> 
> Since you are coming from the VirtualBox world, I would suggest
> to check out the package "virt-manager" which provides a GUI
> allowing to drive your KVM virtual machines.  You may find more
> details about this program on its homepage:
> 
> 	https://virt-manager.org/
> 
> But the best way to get an idea of how things work in there, is
> to try it by yourself.  In the early days of virt-manager in
> Debian, there were several subtleties to be aware of once you
> wanted an advanced setup, but I believe things went better in
> later Debian revisions.

A kind thought, but not this year. :-)

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#212159

Étienne Mollier wrote:

> If you can afford a change of virtualization technology, then
> you could try one of the free and open source alternatives made
> available in Debian 10 perhaps.  Notably, one can mention Qemu,
> Xen, and KVM.

So I say my toy is broken and you say take that other toy ... do you have
children? I do not think they would like such advise.

the question was how to fix

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#212297

On 3/8/19 3:39 am, Etienne Mollier wrote:
> Since you are coming from the VirtualBox world, I would suggest
> to check out the package "virt-manager" which provides a GUI
> allowing to drive your KVM virtual machines.  You may find more
> details about this program on its homepage:
> 
> 	https://virt-manager.org/


Thanks Etienne

I have looked at kvm/qmeu a few times but balked at the process. This 
suggestion has made it viable.

Thank you.

-- 
Keith Bainbridge

ke1th3216@gmail.com
+61 (0)447 667 468

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#212316 — virt-manager (was Re: Virtual Box)

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On 2019-08-06 at 02:18, Keith Bainbridge wrote:

> On 3/8/19 3:39 am, Etienne Mollier wrote:
> 
>> Since you are coming from the VirtualBox world, I would suggest to
>> check out the package "virt-manager" which provides a GUI allowing
>> to drive your KVM virtual machines.  You may find more details
>> about this program on its homepage:
>> 
>> https://virt-manager.org/
> 
> 
> Thanks Etienne
> 
> I have looked at kvm/qmeu a few times but balked at the process. This
>  suggestion has made it viable.
> 
> Thank you.

I tried this out myself recently, but couldn't get it to work; it
reports that "libvirtd is installed but not running".

As far as I can tell, the problem boils down to the fact that I refuse
to have libpam-systemd installed, which means that I can't install
policykit-1, which means that I can't install libvirt-daemon-system,
which means libvirtd doesn't get run automatically.

I tried starting it by hand, as root, but it exits immediately because
the user 'libvirt-qemu' does not exist; that's apparently expected
behavior, and that user is supposed to be created and set up
appropriately by libvirt-daemon-system; see bug #768000.

The documentation seems to indicate that it's supposed to be possible to
run the daemon as non-root, and indeed I've been able to start it that
way; however, virt-manager doesn't seem to see the daemon when it's run
that way. (I don't remember how, but I tracked down something which
seems to indicate that it's checking explicitly for the existence of the
PID file under /run or /var/run, and of course when running as an
ordinary user the PID file gets created under $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR instead
because non-root can't write to /run/.)


I tried specifying explicit connection URLs via File -> Add Connection,
as suggested in the error message (presumably for cases where the daemon
to connect to is running on a different computer), but all I managed to
get was errors indicating that it hadn't found anything to connect to.


Has anyone managed to get virt-manager working on Debian without the
libvirt-daemon-system package installed?

(I suspect that trying to report the failure to work without
libpam-systemd present as a bug would be dismissed on the grounds that
trefusing to have that installed is an excessively idiosyncratic
configuration which it's not reasonable to expect the maintainers to
have to support.)

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

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#212318 — Re: virt-manager (was Re: Virtual Box)

On 2019-08-06, The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
> I tried this out myself recently, but couldn't get it to work; it
> reports that "libvirtd is installed but not running".
>
> As far as I can tell, the problem boils down to the fact that I refuse
> to have libpam-systemd installed, which means that I can't install
> policykit-1, which means that I can't install libvirt-daemon-system,
> which means libvirtd doesn't get run automatically.
>

There's actually a bug report concerning this:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=765448

Paul Floyd at the bottom hacked his way to a crude (well) solution by
modifying the dependency in /var/lib/dpkg/status on "policykit-1" to
"policykit-1 | sysvinit-core," which allowed him to install
libvirt-daemon-system.


-- 
“We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.” 
― Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan

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#212323 — Re: virt-manager (was Re: Virtual Box)

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On 2019-08-06 at 11:29, Curt wrote:

> On 2019-08-06, The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> 
>> I tried this out myself recently, but couldn't get it to work; it 
>> reports that "libvirtd is installed but not running".
>> 
>> As far as I can tell, the problem boils down to the fact that I
>> refuse to have libpam-systemd installed, which means that I can't
>> install policykit-1, which means that I can't install
>> libvirt-daemon-system, which means libvirtd doesn't get run
>> automatically.
> 
> There's actually a bug report concerning this:
> 
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=765448

Interesting. How'd you find that? It didn't crop up in my searches based
on the error messages I was seeing.

The parts of the discussion in that bug report which took place this
year led me to

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=897936

which was filed by Ian Jackson, and seems - in its way - even more on
point.

> Paul Floyd at the bottom hacked his way to a crude (well) solution
> by modifying the dependency in /var/lib/dpkg/status on "policykit-1"
> to "policykit-1 | sysvinit-core," which allowed him to install 
> libvirt-daemon-system.

Which seems to bear out Ian's allegation, in #897936, that "It works
just fine without policykit-1.".

It's not a sustainable or really appropriate solution, given that it
will break and have to be re-done (either by way of some complicated
dance of installing and removing packages, or by manual local package
build) every time a new package version gets released, but it would at
least bypass the issue.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

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#212324 — Re: virt-manager (was Re: Virtual Box)

On 2019-08-06, The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D765448
>
> Interesting. How'd you find that? It didn't crop up in my searches based
> on the error messages I was seeing.
>

I looked for "debian virt-manager without systemd" using the G search
engine, and the bug was behind curtain number 3.

-- 
“We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.” 
― Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan

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#212343 — Re: virt-manager (was Re: Virtual Box)

On 7/8/19 12:44 am, The Wanderer wrote:
>   it
> reports that "libvirtd is installed but not running".


running
sudo libvirtd

got me past that problem

-- 
Keith Bainbridge

ke1th3216@gmail.com
+61 (0)447 667 468

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#212154

On 8/2/19 7:03 PM, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote:
> Given that VBox is no longer in the Buster repositories I tried to
> install the Stretch .deb package from the VBox web site. dpkg failed
> because of dependency problems, including libvpx4 that is not in the
> Buster repositories.
>
> Anyone have any thoughts?
>
> Peter HB
>
>

You can install on buster the ubuntu bionic version  from virtualbox 
repositories.

You cannot install the strech one, because stretch used libcurl3 and 
buster uses libcurl4

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#212158

On 02/08/2019 21:44, Erwan David wrote:
> 
> On 8/2/19 7:03 PM, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote:
>> Given that VBox is no longer in the Buster repositories I tried to
>> install the Stretch .deb package from the VBox web site. dpkg failed
>> because of dependency problems, including libvpx4 that is not in the
>> Buster repositories.
>>
>> Anyone have any thoughts?
>>
>> Peter HB
>>
>>
> 
> You can install on buster the ubuntu bionic version  from virtualbox
> repositories.
> 
> You cannot install the strech one, because stretch used libcurl3 and
> buster uses libcurl4
> 
> 
> 
That sounds like a step too far into the past, but thanks for the thought.

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#212155

On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 18:03:51 +0100
Peter Hillier-Brook <phb@hbsys.plus.com> wrote:

> Given that VBox is no longer in the Buster repositories I tried to
> install the Stretch .deb package from the VBox web site. dpkg failed
> because of dependency problems, including libvpx4 that is not in the
> Buster repositories.
> 
> Anyone have any thoughts?

Download the .deb directly from Oracle's web site.  This is the way I've
always installed Virtualbox.  Never used the Debian repo versions
ever.  Don't forget the Host Extensions package. 

To help installing the .deb file, install gdebi-core (commandline
version) from Buster's repo.  It will take care of dependencies
which dpkg does not.

B

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#212157

On 02/08/2019 22:42, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 18:03:51 +0100
> Peter Hillier-Brook <phb@hbsys.plus.com> wrote:
> 
>> Given that VBox is no longer in the Buster repositories I tried to
>> install the Stretch .deb package from the VBox web site. dpkg failed
>> because of dependency problems, including libvpx4 that is not in the
>> Buster repositories.
>>
>> Anyone have any thoughts?
> 
> Download the .deb directly from Oracle's web site.  This is the way I've
> always installed Virtualbox.  Never used the Debian repo versions
> ever.  Don't forget the Host Extensions package. 
> 
> To help installing the .deb file, install gdebi-core (commandline
> version) from Buster's repo.  It will take care of dependencies
> which dpkg does not.
> 
> B
> 
> 
That looks like a job for tomorrow. Many thanks for the tip.

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#212160

Patrick Bartek wrote:

> Download the .deb directly from Oracle's web site.  This is the way I've
> always installed Virtualbox.  Never used the Debian repo versions
> ever.  Don't forget the Host Extensions package.
> 
> To help installing the .deb file, install gdebi-core (commandline
> version) from Buster's repo.  It will take care of dependencies
> which dpkg does not.

Best advise! 

And also to note that there is repository if I am not mistaken, that you can
add.

regards

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