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| Started by | An Liu <sourceonly@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2019-05-10 10:50 +0200 |
| Last post | 2019-05-13 00:20 +0200 |
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Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. An Liu <sourceonly@gmail.com> - 2019-05-10 10:50 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-10 11:00 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. An Liu <sourceonly@gmail.com> - 2019-05-10 11:10 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-10 11:30 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. An Liu <sourceonly@gmail.com> - 2019-05-10 11:50 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-05-10 11:40 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. An Liu <sourceonly@gmail.com> - 2019-05-10 12:00 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-05-10 14:20 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. An Liu <sourceonly@gmail.com> - 2019-05-10 16:20 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-05-10 15:30 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-10 11:50 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-05-10 12:10 +0200
Tinker team (Was: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.) Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-11 01:10 +0200
Re: Tinker team (Was: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-05-11 09:10 +0200
Re: Tinker team (Was: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-05-11 10:00 +0200
Re: Tinker team (Was: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.) Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-11 10:00 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. An Liu <sourceonly@gmail.com> - 2019-05-10 12:10 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-05-10 12:40 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-05-10 13:00 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-05-10 13:40 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-05-10 13:50 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-05-10 16:00 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. An Liu <sourceonly@gmail.com> - 2019-05-10 16:20 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-05-10 16:30 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. An Liu <sourceonly@gmail.com> - 2019-05-10 16:40 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-05-10 17:00 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. An Liu <sourceonly@gmail.com> - 2019-05-10 17:10 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-05-10 17:30 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. An Liu <sourceonly@gmail.com> - 2019-05-10 18:00 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-10 20:10 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-10 17:40 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-05-10 18:10 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-05-10 20:40 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-05-10 22:20 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-05-21 16:50 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2019-05-10 14:50 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. An Liu <sourceonly@gmail.com> - 2019-05-10 16:30 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2019-05-11 08:30 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. An Liu <sourceonly@gmail.com> - 2019-05-11 14:00 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2019-05-11 15:00 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-11 15:20 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. An Liu <sourceonly@gmail.com> - 2019-05-11 22:30 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-12 13:00 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. An Liu <sourceonly@gmail.com> - 2019-05-10 17:00 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-05-10 17:10 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. An Liu <sourceonly@gmail.com> - 2019-05-10 17:20 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-10 17:30 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. An Liu <sourceonly@gmail.com> - 2019-05-10 17:40 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-05-10 20:30 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-11 17:50 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-11 19:30 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-05-11 19:50 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-11 20:30 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-11 21:50 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-05-11 23:10 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-06-27 17:30 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-06-27 18:00 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-06-27 20:20 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-27 23:30 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-06-28 01:20 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-06-28 08:20 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-06-28 09:40 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-06-28 09:50 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-28 10:50 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-06-30 01:10 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2019-06-30 02:10 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-30 02:10 +0200
Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case. An Liu <sourceonly@gmail.com> - 2019-05-13 00:20 +0200
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| From | deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-06-28 08:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ydSoN-f1-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #210443 |
Gene Heskett wrote: > There was a period a decade back where the capacitors > were legendarily bad. Your unit may have some of them in it. It was around 2004. From a trustful source I understood that the Chinese manage to steal the formula from Japan, but translated few things wrongly and the world was flooded with bad caps. In the company I was in back then, PC caught often even fire. We had to mitigate the risk or just replace the PC with more reliable once. This was a good story.
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2019-06-28 09:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ydTEd-Tw-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #210446 |
On 2019-06-28, deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > >> There was a period a decade back where the capacitors >> were legendarily bad. Your unit may have some of them in it. > > It was around 2004. From a trustful source I understood that the Chinese > manage to steal the formula from Japan, but translated few things wrongly > and the world was flooded with bad caps. In the company I was in back then, > PC caught often even fire. We had to mitigate the risk or just replace the > PC with more reliable once. This was a good story. I had some of those bad caps in a Dell desktop machine I bought in 2000. They looked like little vertical bulging batteries oozing rust. The machine never caught fire but it did blow a fuse (me too!) on my antiquated breaker panel. As the machine dated to not a single decade ago, however, but two, maybe my bad caps weren't the legendary ones.
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| From | Joe <joe@jretrading.com> |
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| Date | 2019-06-28 09:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ydTNT-WT-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #210446 |
On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 08:14:42 +0200 deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > There was a period a decade back where the capacitors > > were legendarily bad. Your unit may have some of them in it. > > It was around 2004. From a trustful source I understood that the > Chinese manage to steal the formula from Japan, but translated few > things wrongly and the world was flooded with bad caps. In the > company I was in back then, PC caught often even fire. We had to > mitigate the risk or just replace the PC with more reliable once. > This was a good story. > It was a Japanese problem in the 1990s. This type of capacitor was much smaller than previous types, so it was an obvious choice to use them everywhere. There was a surveillance camera that used over 100 of them. The problem was that they had various temperature ratings. Most had a life of 1000 or 2000 hours at their maximum temperature, which isn't very long when run continuously. This life roughly doubled for a 10 degree decrease in temperature. So when they ran cool, or in intermittently-used equipment, they were no trouble. But eighty degree capacitors running at fifty degrees might last around 10000 hours, which is about a year in continuous use. The unfortunate thing was that this type of capacitor failed in a way that previous types did not: it leaked electrolyte. This reduced the capacity and eventually caused many faults, which were worse when the equipment was cold. And the electrolyte dissolved copper, so a leaking capacitor would destroy the printed circuit tracks nearby... -- Joe
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2019-06-28 10:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ydUJX-1vF-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #210446 |
On Friday 28 June 2019 02:14:42 deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > There was a period a decade back where the capacitors > > were legendarily bad. Your unit may have some of them in it. > > It was around 2004. From a trustful source I understood that the > Chinese manage to steal the formula from Japan, but translated few > things wrongly and the world was flooded with bad caps. In the company > I was in back then, PC caught often even fire. We had to mitigate the > risk or just replace the PC with more reliable once. This was a good > story. I think your beginning date is likely right, but it took a looong time for those to get flushed out of the supply pipelines. They typically went for 10% of what the good stuff was worth and a lot of buyers with a BOM in hand thought they were getting a good deal. Electrolytic capacitors are a very old tech. I even caused a shortage of American made caps in the middle of the OPEC battle in the '70's. I was at the time a tx supervisor for Nebraska ETV, in charge of a channel 19 site NE of Norfolk NE, getting pretty close to colder weather and needing a barrel of Technical Grade Ethylene Glycol for making a 30% mix for transmitter coolant. As that was a klystron using transmitter, you had to have extremely pure, as in distilled or better coolants else the voltages involved would corrode the plumbing very quickly from galvanic effects. Anyway I ran up quite a phone bill locating a barrel, finally finding it sitting on a shipping dock in Omaha, and bought it on the spot, paying about $14/gallon. I had antifreeze for the winter, but that barrel was the last in the country, and was scheduled to be shipped to Sprague in Lincoln about 3 weeks after I bought it off the dock. Put Sprague out of the cap business for several months and created a nationwide shortage of replacement capacitors for the tv's etc of the day. It was well into the next summer before caps started showing up in the wholesalers shelves again. That rise in energy costs broke a few broadcasters and sounded the death knell of klystron amplifiers. It did take something over a decade to flush them, the last time I was one was in 87 or 88, when I was coerced into going up the WNPB, near Morgantown, one of the State of WV's educational tv stations, to see if I could get them back on the air. Poor operator education caused them to wreck one, and they had no real money to buy a new one at $130,000 or so from Varian. But this was late April or early May, and the legislature had included money for a new transmitter, available after 1 July. So they bought a used one that was full of air, then another used one that might have been usable had the half moons in the shipping crate been reinstalled. But they weren't, so I unpacked it, checked for gas, found very little so it seemed worth dressing it up with its cavities, setting it in the magnet dolly and trying. It wasn't until I was trying to seat it in the dolly that I found it was bent. At that point all the state engineers declared it would not work. But I thought we had one chance, and by then I was convinced I was the only one in the building who actually knew how the darned things worked. So I scouted around and found some masonite and cut a couple pads out that could be wedged between the magnet coils and the corners of the top cavity, and placed them such that the tube was centered in the coils again. Measureing for center, I placed the iron places called wobble plates back on top of the dolly and wheeled it into the cubicle & hooked up the plumbing. Then I set the supply feed to Y which cut the beam voltage to about 10K volts, and raised the accel voltage as high negative as it would go, said a small prayer and brought up beam power. Body current was high so I had a limited time to see if moving the wobble plate would reduce it to a tolerable level, and it did. Then I lowered the accel toward ground, wash, rinse, repeat. Put the beam supply back in delta mode, wash rinse and repeat. About that time I became aware that the beam was catching the gas ions and was carrying them to the collector bucket and probably burying them in the copper. Any way, a few minor tweaks and a tube they only paid 10g's for used was on the air at 85% power and a safe and slowly falling body current. And the other state engineers finally understood they had been watching someone who knew what he was doing. And while I was by then tired, it was about a day before the grin let my ears come back to their normal position. I spent far more time teaching the young operators as they came on duty how to keep it adjusted than I did trying to teach the engineers observing me being a nerd. After all, they'd been to school, had sheepskins on the wall. I've an 8th grade education, but have never stopped learning. They had. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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| From | deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-06-30 01:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <yeuDL-7qB-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #210450 |
Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 28 June 2019 02:14:42 deloptes wrote: > >> Gene Heskett wrote: >> > There was a period a decade back where the capacitors >> > were legendarily bad. Your unit may have some of them in it. >> >> It was around 2004. From a trustful source I understood that the >> Chinese manage to steal the formula from Japan, but translated few >> things wrongly and the world was flooded with bad caps. In the company >> I was in back then, PC caught often even fire. We had to mitigate the >> risk or just replace the PC with more reliable once. This was a good >> story. > > I think your beginning date is likely right, but it took a looong time > for those to get flushed out of the supply pipelines. They typically > went for 10% of what the good stuff was worth and a lot of buyers with a > BOM in hand thought they were getting a good deal. > > Electrolytic capacitors are a very old tech. I even caused a shortage of > American made caps in the middle of the OPEC battle in the '70's. I was > at the time a tx supervisor for Nebraska ETV, in charge of a channel 19 > site NE of Norfolk NE, getting pretty close to colder weather and > needing a barrel of Technical Grade Ethylene Glycol for making a 30% mix > for transmitter coolant. As that was a klystron using transmitter, you > had to have extremely pure, as in distilled or better coolants else the > voltages involved would corrode the plumbing very quickly from galvanic > effects. Anyway I ran up quite a phone bill locating a barrel, finally > finding it sitting on a shipping dock in Omaha, and bought it on the > spot, paying about $14/gallon. I had antifreeze for the winter, but that > barrel was the last in the country, and was scheduled to be shipped to > Sprague in Lincoln about 3 weeks after I bought it off the dock. Put > Sprague out of the cap business for several months and created a > nationwide shortage of replacement capacitors for the tv's etc of the > day. It was well into the next summer before caps started showing up in > the wholesalers shelves again. > > That rise in energy costs broke a few broadcasters and sounded the death > knell of klystron amplifiers. It did take something over a decade to > flush them, the last time I was one was in 87 or 88, when I was coerced > into going up the WNPB, near Morgantown, one of the State of WV's > educational tv stations, to see if I could get them back on the air. > > Poor operator education caused them to wreck one, and they had no real > money to buy a new one at $130,000 or so from Varian. But this was late > April or early May, and the legislature had included money for a new > transmitter, available after 1 July. So they bought a used one that was > full of air, then another used one that might have been usable had the > half moons in the shipping crate been reinstalled. But they weren't, so > I unpacked it, checked for gas, found very little so it seemed worth > dressing it up with its cavities, setting it in the magnet dolly and > trying. It wasn't until I was trying to seat it in the dolly that I > found it was bent. At that point all the state engineers declared it > would not work. But I thought we had one chance, and by then I was > convinced I was the only one in the building who actually knew how the > darned things worked. So I scouted around and found some masonite and > cut a couple pads out that could be wedged between the magnet coils and > the corners of the top cavity, and placed them such that the tube was > centered in the coils again. > > Measureing for center, I placed the iron places called wobble plates > back on top of the dolly and wheeled it into the cubicle & hooked up the > plumbing. Then I set the supply feed to Y which cut the beam voltage to > about 10K volts, and raised the accel voltage as high negative as it > would go, said a small prayer and brought up beam power. Body current > was high so I had a limited time to see if moving the wobble plate would > reduce it to a tolerable level, and it did. Then I lowered the accel > toward ground, wash, rinse, repeat. Put the beam supply back in delta > mode, wash rinse and repeat. About that time I became aware that the > beam was catching the gas ions and was carrying them to the collector > bucket and probably burying them in the copper. Any way, a few minor > tweaks and a tube they only paid 10g's for used was on the air at 85% > power and a safe and slowly falling body current. And the other state > engineers finally understood they had been watching someone who knew > what he was doing. And while I was by then tired, it was about a day > before the grin let my ears come back to their normal position. I spent > far more time teaching the young operators as they came on duty how to > keep it adjusted than I did trying to teach the engineers observing me > being a nerd. After all, they'd been to school, had sheepskins on the > wall. I've an 8th grade education, but have never stopped learning. > They had. > > Cheers, Gene Heskett If I had the time I would extract all of your good stories from the debian users list and put them together regards
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| From | Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-06-30 02:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <yevzQ-81O-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #210487 |
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On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 8:04 PM Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote: > On Saturday 29 June 2019 19:05:23 deloptes wrote: > > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Friday 28 June 2019 02:14:42 deloptes wrote: > > >> Gene Heskett wrote: > > >> > There was a period a decade back where the capacitors > > >> > were legendarily bad. Your unit may have some of them in it. > > >> > > >> It was around 2004. From a trustful source I understood that the > > >> Chinese manage to steal the formula from Japan, but translated few > > >> things wrongly and the world was flooded with bad caps. In the > > >> company I was in back then, PC caught often even fire. We had to > > >> mitigate the risk or just replace the PC with more reliable once. > > >> This was a good story. > > > > > > I think your beginning date is likely right, but it took a looong > > > time for those to get flushed out of the supply pipelines. They > > > typically went for 10% of what the good stuff was worth and a lot of > > > buyers with a BOM in hand thought they were getting a good deal. > > > > > > Electrolytic capacitors are a very old tech. I even caused a > > > shortage of American made caps in the middle of the OPEC battle in > > > the '70's. I was at the time a tx supervisor for Nebraska ETV, in > > > charge of a channel 19 site NE of Norfolk NE, getting pretty close > > > to colder weather and needing a barrel of Technical Grade Ethylene > > > Glycol for making a 30% mix for transmitter coolant. As that was a > > > klystron using transmitter, you had to have extremely pure, as in > > > distilled or better coolants else the voltages involved would > > > corrode the plumbing very quickly from galvanic effects. Anyway I > > > ran up quite a phone bill locating a barrel, finally finding it > > > sitting on a shipping dock in Omaha, and bought it on the spot, > > > paying about $14/gallon. I had antifreeze for the winter, but that > > > barrel was the last in the country, and was scheduled to be shipped > > > to Sprague in Lincoln about 3 weeks after I bought it off the dock. > > > Put Sprague out of the cap business for several months and created a > > > nationwide shortage of replacement capacitors for the tv's etc of > > > the day. It was well into the next summer before caps started > > > showing up in the wholesalers shelves again. > > > > > > That rise in energy costs broke a few broadcasters and sounded the > > > death knell of klystron amplifiers. It did take something over a > > > decade to flush them, the last time I was one was in 87 or 88, when > > > I was coerced into going up the WNPB, near Morgantown, one of the > > > State of WV's educational tv stations, to see if I could get them > > > back on the air. > > > > > > Poor operator education caused them to wreck one, and they had no > > > real money to buy a new one at $130,000 or so from Varian. But this > > > was late April or early May, and the legislature had included money > > > for a new transmitter, available after 1 July. So they bought a > > > used one that was full of air, then another used one that might have > > > been usable had the half moons in the shipping crate been > > > reinstalled. But they weren't, so I unpacked it, checked for gas, > > > found very little so it seemed worth dressing it up with its > > > cavities, setting it in the magnet dolly and trying. It wasn't > > > until I was trying to seat it in the dolly that I found it was bent. > > > At that point all the state engineers declared it would not work. > > > But I thought we had one chance, and by then I was convinced I was > > > the only one in the building who actually knew how the darned things > > > worked. So I scouted around and found some masonite and cut a > > > couple pads out that could be wedged between the magnet coils and > > > the corners of the top cavity, and placed them such that the tube > > > was centered in the coils again. > > > > > > Measureing for center, I placed the iron places called wobble > > > plates back on top of the dolly and wheeled it into the cubicle & > > > hooked up the plumbing. Then I set the supply feed to Y which cut > > > the beam voltage to about 10K volts, and raised the accel voltage as > > > high negative as it would go, said a small prayer and brought up > > > beam power. Body current was high so I had a limited time to see if > > > moving the wobble plate would reduce it to a tolerable level, and it > > > did. Then I lowered the accel toward ground, wash, rinse, repeat. > > > Put the beam supply back in delta mode, wash rinse and repeat. About > > > that time I became aware that the beam was catching the gas ions and > > > was carrying them to the collector bucket and probably burying them > > > in the copper. Any way, a few minor tweaks and a tube they only paid > > > 10g's for used was on the air at 85% power and a safe and slowly > > > falling body current. And the other state engineers finally > > > understood they had been watching someone who knew what he was > > > doing. And while I was by then tired, it was about a day before the > > > grin let my ears come back to their normal position. I spent far > > > more time teaching the young operators as they came on duty how to > > > keep it adjusted than I did trying to teach the engineers observing > > > me being a nerd. After all, they'd been to school, had sheepskins on > > > the wall. I've an 8th grade education, but have never stopped > > > learning. They had. > > > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > > > > If I had the time I would extract all of your good stories from the > > debian users list and put them together > > > > regards > Be my guest, but give me attribution. I've even been tempted to write it > myself. Its pure serendipity that seems to have put me in the right > place at the right time. I am on this list just for Gene’s stories. > > >
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2019-06-30 02:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <yevzQ-81O-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #210487 |
On Saturday 29 June 2019 19:05:23 deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 28 June 2019 02:14:42 deloptes wrote: > >> Gene Heskett wrote: > >> > There was a period a decade back where the capacitors > >> > were legendarily bad. Your unit may have some of them in it. > >> > >> It was around 2004. From a trustful source I understood that the > >> Chinese manage to steal the formula from Japan, but translated few > >> things wrongly and the world was flooded with bad caps. In the > >> company I was in back then, PC caught often even fire. We had to > >> mitigate the risk or just replace the PC with more reliable once. > >> This was a good story. > > > > I think your beginning date is likely right, but it took a looong > > time for those to get flushed out of the supply pipelines. They > > typically went for 10% of what the good stuff was worth and a lot of > > buyers with a BOM in hand thought they were getting a good deal. > > > > Electrolytic capacitors are a very old tech. I even caused a > > shortage of American made caps in the middle of the OPEC battle in > > the '70's. I was at the time a tx supervisor for Nebraska ETV, in > > charge of a channel 19 site NE of Norfolk NE, getting pretty close > > to colder weather and needing a barrel of Technical Grade Ethylene > > Glycol for making a 30% mix for transmitter coolant. As that was a > > klystron using transmitter, you had to have extremely pure, as in > > distilled or better coolants else the voltages involved would > > corrode the plumbing very quickly from galvanic effects. Anyway I > > ran up quite a phone bill locating a barrel, finally finding it > > sitting on a shipping dock in Omaha, and bought it on the spot, > > paying about $14/gallon. I had antifreeze for the winter, but that > > barrel was the last in the country, and was scheduled to be shipped > > to Sprague in Lincoln about 3 weeks after I bought it off the dock. > > Put Sprague out of the cap business for several months and created a > > nationwide shortage of replacement capacitors for the tv's etc of > > the day. It was well into the next summer before caps started > > showing up in the wholesalers shelves again. > > > > That rise in energy costs broke a few broadcasters and sounded the > > death knell of klystron amplifiers. It did take something over a > > decade to flush them, the last time I was one was in 87 or 88, when > > I was coerced into going up the WNPB, near Morgantown, one of the > > State of WV's educational tv stations, to see if I could get them > > back on the air. > > > > Poor operator education caused them to wreck one, and they had no > > real money to buy a new one at $130,000 or so from Varian. But this > > was late April or early May, and the legislature had included money > > for a new transmitter, available after 1 July. So they bought a > > used one that was full of air, then another used one that might have > > been usable had the half moons in the shipping crate been > > reinstalled. But they weren't, so I unpacked it, checked for gas, > > found very little so it seemed worth dressing it up with its > > cavities, setting it in the magnet dolly and trying. It wasn't > > until I was trying to seat it in the dolly that I found it was bent. > > At that point all the state engineers declared it would not work. > > But I thought we had one chance, and by then I was convinced I was > > the only one in the building who actually knew how the darned things > > worked. So I scouted around and found some masonite and cut a > > couple pads out that could be wedged between the magnet coils and > > the corners of the top cavity, and placed them such that the tube > > was centered in the coils again. > > > > Measureing for center, I placed the iron places called wobble > > plates back on top of the dolly and wheeled it into the cubicle & > > hooked up the plumbing. Then I set the supply feed to Y which cut > > the beam voltage to about 10K volts, and raised the accel voltage as > > high negative as it would go, said a small prayer and brought up > > beam power. Body current was high so I had a limited time to see if > > moving the wobble plate would reduce it to a tolerable level, and it > > did. Then I lowered the accel toward ground, wash, rinse, repeat. > > Put the beam supply back in delta mode, wash rinse and repeat. About > > that time I became aware that the beam was catching the gas ions and > > was carrying them to the collector bucket and probably burying them > > in the copper. Any way, a few minor tweaks and a tube they only paid > > 10g's for used was on the air at 85% power and a safe and slowly > > falling body current. And the other state engineers finally > > understood they had been watching someone who knew what he was > > doing. And while I was by then tired, it was about a day before the > > grin let my ears come back to their normal position. I spent far > > more time teaching the young operators as they came on duty how to > > keep it adjusted than I did trying to teach the engineers observing > > me being a nerd. After all, they'd been to school, had sheepskins on > > the wall. I've an 8th grade education, but have never stopped > > learning. They had. > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > > If I had the time I would extract all of your good stories from the > debian users list and put them together > > regards Be my guest, but give me attribution. I've even been tempted to write it myself. Its pure serendipity that seems to have put me in the right place at the right time. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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| From | An Liu <sourceonly@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-05-13 00:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <xX4Z3-38E-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #208496 |
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Hi, experts
I want to summary the cases I tested here to this topic, FYI.
Brian mentioned the installation could be finished in case 1 , but i'm
still with no luck.
| Index | Case | Result
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| 1 | GRUB + netinst iso | Can start debian installer but can't
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| | + loopback boot | continue due to no driver for CDROM,
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| | | and i can't find a way to tell/
mount the |
| | | iso
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| | |
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| 2 | GRUB + /hd-media/initrd.gz | Can finish install process with
the auto
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| | + netinst iso | detected iso on USB/hd
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| | |
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| 3 | GRUB + livecd iso | Could boot into live debian with
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| | + loopback boot | boot=live
fromiso=/dev/sdX/path/to/the/iso |
| | | I can't figure out how to boot
manually within |
| | | busy box, in this case one could
finish |
| | | install process in LiveOS
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| | |
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| 4 | GRUB + livecd iso | almost same as case 1 , can't go
through |
| | + loopback boot to d-i |
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