Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.

From	deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: Is it possible to install Debian in such a case.
Date	2019-06-30 01:10 +0200
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Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Friday 28 June 2019 02:14:42 deloptes wrote:
> 
>> Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > There was a period a decade back where the capacitors
>> > were legendarily bad.  Your unit may have some of them in it.
>>
>> It was around 2004. From a trustful source I understood that the
>> Chinese manage to steal the formula from Japan, but translated few
>> things wrongly and the world was flooded with bad caps. In the company
>> I was in back then, PC caught often even fire. We had to mitigate the
>> risk or just replace the PC with more reliable once. This was a good
>> story.
> 
> I think your beginning date is likely right, but it took a looong time
> for those to get flushed out of the supply pipelines. They typically
> went for 10% of what the good stuff was worth and a lot of buyers with a
> BOM in hand thought they were getting a good deal.
> 
> Electrolytic capacitors are a very old tech. I even caused a shortage of
> American made caps in the middle of the OPEC battle in the '70's.  I was
> at the time a tx supervisor for Nebraska ETV, in charge of a channel 19
> site NE of Norfolk NE, getting pretty close to colder weather and
> needing a barrel of Technical Grade Ethylene Glycol for making a 30% mix
> for transmitter coolant.  As that was a klystron using transmitter, you
> had to have extremely pure, as in distilled or better coolants else the
> voltages involved would corrode the plumbing very quickly from galvanic
> effects.  Anyway I ran up quite a phone bill locating a barrel, finally
> finding it sitting on a shipping dock in Omaha, and bought it on the
> spot, paying about $14/gallon. I had antifreeze for the winter, but that
> barrel was the last in the country, and was scheduled to be shipped to
> Sprague in Lincoln about 3 weeks after I bought it off the dock.  Put
> Sprague out of the cap business for several months and created a
> nationwide shortage of replacement capacitors for the tv's etc of the
> day. It was well into the next summer before caps started showing up in
> the wholesalers shelves again.
> 
> That rise in energy costs broke a few broadcasters and sounded the death
> knell of klystron amplifiers. It did take something over a decade to
> flush them, the last time I was one was in 87 or 88, when I was coerced
> into going up the WNPB, near Morgantown, one of the State of WV's
> educational tv stations, to see if I could get them back on the air.
> 
> Poor operator education caused them to wreck one, and they had no real
> money to buy a new one at $130,000 or so from Varian.  But this was late
> April or early May, and the legislature had included money for a new
> transmitter, available after 1 July.  So they bought a used one that was
> full of air, then another used one that might have been usable had the
> half moons in the shipping crate been reinstalled.  But they weren't, so
> I unpacked it, checked for gas, found very little so it seemed worth
> dressing it up with its cavities, setting it in the magnet dolly and
> trying.  It wasn't until I was trying to seat it in the dolly that I
> found it was bent. At that point all the state engineers declared it
> would not work. But I thought we had one chance, and by then I was
> convinced I was the only one in the building who actually knew how the
> darned things worked.  So I scouted around and found some masonite and
> cut a couple pads out that could be wedged between the magnet coils and
> the corners of the top cavity, and placed them such that the tube was
> centered in the coils again.
> 
> Measureing for  center, I placed the iron places called wobble plates
> back on top of the dolly and wheeled it into the cubicle & hooked up the
> plumbing. Then I set the supply feed to Y which cut the beam voltage to
> about 10K volts, and raised the accel voltage as high negative as it
> would go, said a small prayer and brought up beam power. Body current
> was high so I had a limited time to see if moving the wobble plate would
> reduce it to a tolerable level, and it did.  Then I lowered the accel
> toward ground, wash, rinse, repeat. Put the beam supply back in delta
> mode, wash rinse and repeat. About that time I became aware that the
> beam was catching the gas ions and was carrying them to the collector
> bucket and probably burying them in the copper. Any way, a few minor
> tweaks and a tube they only paid 10g's for used was on the air at 85%
> power and a safe and slowly falling body current.  And the other state
> engineers finally understood they had been watching someone who knew
> what he was doing. And while I was by then tired, it was about a day
> before the grin let my ears come back to their normal position. I spent
> far more time teaching the young operators as they came on duty how to
> keep it adjusted than I did trying to teach the engineers observing me
> being a nerd. After all, they'd been to school, had sheepskins on the
> wall. I've an 8th grade education, but have never stopped learning.
> They had.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

If I had the time I would extract all of your good stories from the debian
users list and put them together 

regards

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