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  Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-06-30 14:40 +0200
    Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-06-30 15:50 +0200
      Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2019-06-30 17:10 +0200
      Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2019-06-30 17:50 +0200
        Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-06-30 21:20 +0200
          Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2019-07-01 00:50 +0200
          Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2019-07-01 01:00 +0200
          Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-01 19:20 +0200
            Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-07-01 19:40 +0200
              Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-01 21:20 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-07-01 22:10 +0200
          Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2019-07-01 20:50 +0200
            Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-07-02 13:40 +0200
              Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-07-02 14:10 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2019-07-02 17:20 +0200
                  Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-07-02 17:30 +0200
                    Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-07-02 17:40 +0200
                      Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-02 19:50 +0200
                      Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-02 19:50 +0200
                      Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mattcrews@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-02 20:00 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Andy Smith <andy@bitfolk.com> - 2019-07-02 23:00 +0200
                  Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-03 05:10 +0200
                    Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-07-03 08:30 +0200
                      Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-07-03 10:20 +0200
                        Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-07-03 12:00 +0200
                    Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-07-03 14:40 +0200
                    Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-07-03 19:30 +0200
                      Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-07-03 19:50 +0200
                        Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-07-03 20:10 +0200
                          Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-07-03 20:20 +0200
                            Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-07-04 17:30 +0200
                              Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-07-04 19:10 +0200
                                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-07-04 20:00 +0200
                                  Attributing (was: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-07-06 17:20 +0200
                                    Re: Attributing (was: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-07-06 18:10 +0200
                                      Re: Attributing Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-07-06 18:30 +0200
                                        Re: Attributing Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2019-07-06 21:00 +0200
                                    Re: Attributing (was: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-06 18:30 +0200
                      Oldest Usable x86 CPU for Stretch (Was: Choice of VMs under i386  Stretch?) Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-04 01:50 +0200
                        Re: Oldest Usable x86 CPU for Stretch (Was: Choice of VMs under i386  Stretch?) andreimpopescu@gmail.com - 2019-07-04 08:40 +0200
              Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-02 15:10 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-02 15:20 +0200
              Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2019-07-02 23:10 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-07-04 16:00 +0200
                  Old computers (Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-07-04 16:40 +0200
                  Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2019-07-04 17:10 +0200
                  Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-07-06 12:50 +0200

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#210497 — Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

I'm considering using a VM for some experiments.
Although my web searches have turned up articles about particular 
aspects of particular VMs, I've found no inventory of what VMs are 
available in Debian.

My firm requirement is that all required software be in set of install 
DVDs for i386 Debian 9.8.

What are my options?

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#210498

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On 6/30/19 5:34 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I'm considering using a VM for some experiments.
> Although my web searches have turned up articles about particular
> aspects of particular VMs, I've found no inventory of what VMs are
> available in Debian.
> 
> My firm requirement is that all required software be in set of install
> DVDs for i386 Debian 9.8.
> 
> What are my options?
> 
> 
Are you asking what virtual machine hosts are available on Debian?
Because Debian can easily run as a virtual machine guest.

Debian has several available virtual machine hosts at its disposal.
Check out the wiki:

https://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization#Using_Debian_to_host_Virtual_Computers

Cheers,

-Matt

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#210499

On 6/30/2019 3:45 PM, Matthew Crews wrote:
> On 6/30/19 5:34 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> I'm considering using a VM for some experiments.
>> Although my web searches have turned up articles about particular
>> aspects of particular VMs, I've found no inventory of what VMs are
>> available in Debian.
>>
>> My firm requirement is that all required software be in set of install
>> DVDs for i386 Debian 9.8.
>>
>> What are my options?
>>
>>
> Are you asking what virtual machine hosts are available on Debian?
> Because Debian can easily run as a virtual machine guest.
>
> Debian has several available virtual machine hosts at its disposal.
> Check out the wiki:
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization#Using_Debian_to_host_Virtual_Computers
>
> Cheers,
>

Depending on what you want to do you could also consider  using chroot:

https://wiki.debian.org/chroot

--
John Doe

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Matthew Crews writes:

> On 6/30/19 5:34 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > I'm considering using a VM for some experiments.
> > Although my web searches have turned up articles about particular
> > aspects of particular VMs, I've found no inventory of what VMs are
> > available in Debian.
> >
> > My firm requirement is that all required software be in set of install
> > DVDs for i386 Debian 9.8.
> >
> > What are my options?
> >
> >
> Are you asking what virtual machine hosts are available on Debian?
> Because Debian can easily run as a virtual machine guest.
>
> Debian has several available virtual machine hosts at its disposal.
> Check out the wiki:
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization#Using_Debian_to_host_Virtual_Computers

That page gives a good overview, although it mentions quite a few solutions
which are possibly not in the DVD set. If the DVDs contain all of the `main`
repository, then these packages can be used to start with a
Libvirt/Virt-Manager/KVM setup (this is what I install on my systems):

virt-manager qemu qemu-kvm libvirt-clients libvirt0 libvirt-daemon libvirt-daemon-system

The frontend `virt-manager` can then be run to graphically manage VMs.
`virsh` can be used to manage them at the commandline.

Btw. when reading what "VMs are available in Debian" I first thought the
question was about prebuilt images for virtual machines? Images can be used
to bypass the installation at the expense of needing more download
bandwidth and being less configurable -- such images are not part of the
Debian main repository as far as I know. It is not an issue for me since I
either clone existing VMs or install them anew with the installer most of
the times...

HTH
Linux-Fan

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#210510

*CAVEAT LECTOR*
If I can't win,
    may I aspire to "break even"?
Recently I was chastised for expecting people to *read*.
if no hmr, *DENT* rd frthr ;/
caveat finis ;/

On 06/30/2019 10:44 AM, Linux-Fan wrote:
> Matthew Crews writes:
> 
>> On 6/30/19 5:34 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> > I'm considering using a VM for some experiments.
>> > Although my web searches have turned up articles about particular
>> > aspects of particular VMs, I've found no inventory of what VMs are
>> > available in Debian.
>> >
>> > My firm requirement is that all required software be in set of install
>> > DVDs for i386 Debian 9.8.
>> >
>> > What are my options?
>> >
>> >
>> Are you asking what virtual machine hosts are available on Debian?

*explicitly*

>> Because Debian can easily run as a virtual machine guest.

If not host
   why ask?  !!!!

>>
>> Debian has several available virtual machine hosts at its disposal.
>> Check out the wiki:
>>
>> https://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization#Using_Debian_to_host_Virtual_Computers 
>>

https://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization/ prompted question

> 
> That page gives a good overview,

Though "overviews" explicitly identified as irrelevant

> although it mentions quite a few solutions
> which are possibly not in the DVD set.

Did I *NOT* say:
>> ...all required software be in set of install DVDs for i386 Debian 9.8. 

----> If the DVDs contain all of the
> `main`
> repository, then these packages can be used to start with a
> Libvirt/Virt-Manager/KVM setup (this is what I install on my systems):
> 
> virt-manager qemu qemu-kvm libvirt-clients libvirt0 libvirt-daemon 
> libvirt-daemon-system
> 
> The frontend `virt-manager` can then be run to graphically manage VMs.
> `virsh` can be used to manage them at the commandline.

I do not understand.

> 
> Btw. when reading what "VMs are available in Debian" I first thought the
> question was about prebuilt images for virtual machines? ...

My *explicit* question is:
What 32 bit VMs which DO NOT depend on non-FOSS components are available 
for 32-bit Debian?

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#210511

Richard Owlett wrote: 
> *CAVEAT LECTOR*
> If I can't win,
>    may I aspire to "break even"?
> Recently I was chastised for expecting people to *read*.
> if no hmr, *DENT* rd frthr ;/
> caveat finis ;/
> 
> > > > What are my options?
> > > >
> > > Are you asking what virtual machine hosts are available on Debian?
> 
> *explicitly*
> 
> > > Because Debian can easily run as a virtual machine guest.
> 
> If not host
>   why ask?  !!!!

While debian-user is conducted in English, it is not the first
language of all participants. When a question is asked in an
ambiguous fashion, it's good to ask clarifying questions to make
sure that you understand what is being asked.

And there are some participants who appear to natively read and
write a language which is nearly English, but deliberately or
unconsciously constructed to be as ambiguous and frustrating as 
possible.

> My *explicit* question is:
> What 32 bit VMs which DO NOT depend on non-FOSS components are available for
> 32-bit Debian?

An uncountable but finite number, bounded in a nutshell called the Internet.

As official Debian images: the only official Debian VM images I
am aware of are produced under the Debian Live moniker. However,
the tools to create VM images are available, and many, many
people have taken advantage of them.

-dsr-

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On 1/07/19 7:12 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> What 32 bit VMs which DO NOT depend on non-FOSS components are available
> for 32-bit Debian?
> 

<Owlett>
LEARN TO WRITE!!

A VM is a Virtual Machine. You appear not to be asking for a Virtual
Machine, but software to host a Virtual Machine!!!1!

If you ask the wrong question, you're not going to be happy with the answer!
</Owlett>

Please, Richard, remember people are trying to help, but
miscommunications are bound to happen. Nobody deliberately does that
(well, maybe a few do), so please assume that a misinterpretation is
probably a mistake, and _politely_ re-word your question to make it less
ambiguous. You might have to think for a bit to work out how it was
misinterpreted first.

I, like some others, use QEMU/KVM, managed by libvirt. virsh is the
command-line tool to manage VMs. virt-manager is the graphical tool,
which you will probably want if you're using graphical interfaces (X,
Wayland, even Windows) in the VM.

If you're going to use that, you probably want your CPU to support
hardware virtualisation. See here:
https://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Processor_support

Unfortunately, I don't think you'll find that support on 32-bit hardware.

If you're stuck on 32-bit hardware, you might like to try LXC - it's not
full virtualisation, but more like an enhanced chroot. I use that too
(but only on 64-bit hardware at the moment).

There are others, but I haven't used them much.

In order to easily provision disk space for either type, I would
recommend learning to use LVM, if you haven't already.

The VMs themselves, I create.

Richard (a different one)

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On 6/30/19 12:12 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 06/30/2019 10:44 AM, Linux-Fan wrote:
>> Matthew Crews writes:
>>> Are you asking what virtual machine hosts are available on Debian?
> 
> *explicitly*

So clearly I struck a nerve, and I apologize. The way you asked your
question was somewhat unclear to me at first. It is clear now.

I do not know the entire list of software that is found on the different
DVDs, but you can find out by looking on the official DVD lists. Each
DVD has a corresponding .list.gz you can browse, all the way up to DVD 14.

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/i386/list-dvd/

At a cursory glance, it does NOT appear that DVD-1 contains any VM Host
software, other than perhaps nspawn (which is part of Systemd).

Hope this helps.

-Matt

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#210561

On 2019-07-01, Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> wrote:
>
> At a cursory glance, it does NOT appear that DVD-1 contains any VM Host
> software, other than perhaps nspawn (which is part of Systemd).

Isn't nspawn a chroot container?

> Hope this helps.
>

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#210565

On 7/1/19 10:35 AM, Curt wrote:
> On 2019-07-01, Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> wrote:
>>
>> At a cursory glance, it does NOT appear that DVD-1 contains any VM Host
>> software, other than perhaps nspawn (which is part of Systemd).
> 
> Isn't nspawn a chroot container?
> 

Indeed, but depending on the needs, it might work.

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#210572

On 2019-07-01, Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> wrote:
> On 7/1/19 10:35 AM, Curt wrote:
>> On 2019-07-01, Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> At a cursory glance, it does NOT appear that DVD-1 contains any VM Host
>>> software, other than perhaps nspawn (which is part of Systemd).
>> 
>> Isn't nspawn a chroot container?
>> 
>
> Indeed, but depending on the needs, it might work.
>

Well, now, Mr. Owlett's a real stickler for disallowing any deviation
whatsoever in the answers proposed from the precise terms of the
question as formulated by Mr. Owlett himself, so I fear you are now
venturing upon very, very dangerous ground.

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Richard Owlett writes:

[...]

> On 06/30/2019 10:44 AM, Linux-Fan wrote:
>> Matthew Crews writes:
>>
>>> On 6/30/19 5:34 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> > I'm considering using a VM for some experiments.
>>> > Although my web searches have turned up articles about particular
>>> > aspects of particular VMs, I've found no inventory of what VMs are
>>> > available in Debian.
>>> >
>>> > My firm requirement is that all required software be in set of install
>>> > DVDs for i386 Debian 9.8.
>>> >
>>> > What are my options?
>>>
>>> Are you asking what virtual machine hosts are available on Debian?
>
> *explicitly*

Good :)

[...]

> Did I *NOT* say:
>>> ...all required software be in set of install DVDs for i386 Debian 9.8.

I know you wrote that and I attempted to respond to that by the following by
giving a shortcut to a very likely working solution ( :) ):

> ----> If the DVDs contain all of the
>> `main`
>> repository, then these packages can be used to start with a
>> Libvirt/Virt-Manager/KVM setup (this is what I install on my systems):
>>
>> virt-manager qemu qemu-kvm libvirt-clients libvirt0 libvirt-daemon libvirt-daemon-system
>>
>> The frontend `virt-manager` can then be run to graphically manage VMs.
>> `virsh` can be used to manage them at the commandline.
>
> I do not understand.

It was an attempt to give you a list of packages that may allow you to start
using VMs without further checks because they are likely to be on the DVDs
(I am still confident that they are and I still have not and will not check
it). If you are interested in finding out that/if all packages are on the
DVDs, use the search engine:

	https://cdimage-search.debian.org/

By this I found out that `virt-manager` is on DVD2. So part of my assumption
is right... it's probably easiest if you just try to install the packages?

If it is something else that is not understood in the paragraph I can try to
write it differently if wanted?

>> Btw. when reading what "VMs are available in Debian" I first thought the
>> question was about prebuilt images for virtual machines? ...
>
> My *explicit* question is:
> What 32 bit VMs which DO NOT depend on non-FOSS components are available for
> 32-bit Debian?

Not so explicit for me as non-native English speaker due to ambigous use of
word `VM`. `VM` is virtual machine but there are multiple things to
associate with it in this context:

 * A `VM` as I commonly understand it on my local system is a hard disk
   image and some metadata allowing it to be run by means of a hypervisor.
   Prebuilt images can be downloaded separately and are not in Debian DVDs.
   This is not an issue for you since you have the DVDs and can ``create''
   your own VMs by using the installer inside an ``empty/new'' VM which most
   management softwares can create easily.

 * As an alternative notion, a `VM` is just another server that happens to
   run on a hypervisor and I as the user do not care about what image it
   comes from...

 * From the line with `*explicitly*` above I gather that you are asking
   for a software to manage VMs. It is rarely called a `VM` here although
   the linux kernel's hypervisor is called `KVM` for Kernel Virtual Machine.
   All the necessary software is probably available on Debian DVDs.
   If unsure, consult above mentioned URL and list of packages...

 * (Other uses of the word may exist...)

HTH
Linux-Fan

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#210595

On 07/01/2019 01:43 PM, Linux-Fan wrote:
> Richard Owlett writes:
> 
> [...]
> 
>> I do not understand.
> 
> It was an attempt to give you a list of packages that may allow you to 
> start using VMs without further checks ...
> 

That your answer was "a list of packages" is key to the communication 
problem.

A restatement of my question might be:

I run the i386 version of Debian 9.8.
Using only contents of that set of installation DVDs, I wish to use a VM 
host capable of running multiple VM guests. Although the guests will be 
running in command line mode, the host should have a GUI.
What choice metapackages provide that function?

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#210598

On 2019-07-02, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>
> A restatement of my question might be:
>
> I run the i386 version of Debian 9.8.
> Using only contents of that set of installation DVDs, I wish to use a VM 
> host capable of running multiple VM guests. Although the guests will be 
> running in command line mode, the host should have a GUI.
> What choice metapackages provide that function?

What do we win if we provide the correct answer? A year's supply of
invective?

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On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 8:05 AM Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:

> On 2019-07-02, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
> >
> > A restatement of my question might be:
> >
> > I run the i386 version of Debian 9.8.
> > Using only contents of that set of installation DVDs, I wish to use a VM
> > host capable of running multiple VM guests. Although the guests will be
> > running in command line mode, the host should have a GUI.
> > What choice metapackages provide that function?
>

I'm partial to VirtualBox.   Is that on any of the Debian DVD'S?

>
> What do we win if we provide the correct answer? A year's supply of

invective?
>

An Invection Oven?    :-D

Kenneth Parker

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#210609

On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 11:17:06AM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> I'm partial to VirtualBox.   Is that on any of the Debian DVD'S?

No, because it isn't free software.

See <https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox> for details.

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#210610

>> I'm partial to VirtualBox.   Is that on any of the Debian DVD'S?
> No, because it isn't free software.
> See <https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox> for details.

I believe what you wrote is slightly misleading: the base VirtualBox
software seems to satisfy the definition of Free Software just fine.
The above wiki page mentions two problems for Debian packaging:
- There's a proprietary "add-on" for it, but that doesn't affect the
  status of the base system. 
- There's a lack of interest from the main developers to provide
  long-term support for older releases which made it too much trouble
  for Debian's security team to provide support for it, so it's not in
  Debian any more.


        Stefan

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On 7/2/19 8:34 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>> I'm partial to VirtualBox.   Is that on any of the Debian DVD'S?
>> No, because it isn't free software.
>> See <https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox> for details.
>
> I believe what you wrote is slightly misleading: the base VirtualBox
> software seems to satisfy the definition of Free Software just fine.
> The above wiki page mentions two problems for Debian packaging:
> - There's a proprietary "add-on" for it, but that doesn't affect the
>   status of the base system.

Technically Debian places Virtualbox in Contrib since version 4.2
because a non-free component is required to build the BIOS.

> - There's a lack of interest from the main developers to provide
>   long-term support for older releases which made it too much trouble
>   for Debian's security team to provide support for it, so it's not in
>   Debian any more.

This is the primary driver as to why Stretch places Virtualbox in
backports, and why Buster will not have Virtualbox packages in the
Debian repo at all.

Additionally, Oracle no longer supports i386 versions of Virtualbox, not
since version 6.0.0.

For that reason I would not recommend using Virtualbox unless you are
intending to use the Oracle-supplied packages, and I certainly would not
recommend using the i386 versions.

-Matt

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#210616

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On 7/2/19 8:34 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>> I'm partial to VirtualBox.   Is that on any of the Debian DVD'S?
>> No, because it isn't free software.
>> See <https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox> for details.
>
> I believe what you wrote is slightly misleading: the base VirtualBox
> software seems to satisfy the definition of Free Software just fine.
> The above wiki page mentions two problems for Debian packaging:
> - There's a proprietary "add-on" for it, but that doesn't affect the
>   status of the base system.

Technically Debian places Virtualbox in Contrib since version 4.2
because a non-free component is required to build the BIOS.

> - There's a lack of interest from the main developers to provide
>   long-term support for older releases which made it too much trouble
>   for Debian's security team to provide support for it, so it's not in
>   Debian any more.

This is the primary driver as to why Stretch places Virtualbox in
backports, and why Buster will not have Virtualbox packages in the
Debian repo at all.

Additionally, Oracle no longer supports i386 versions of Virtualbox, not
since version 6.0.0.

For that reason I would not recommend using Virtualbox unless you are
intending to use the Oracle-supplied packages, and I certainly would not
recommend using the i386 versions.

-Matt

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On 7/2/19 8:34 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>> I'm partial to VirtualBox.   Is that on any of the Debian DVD'S?
>> No, because it isn't free software.
>> See <https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox> for details.
> 
> I believe what you wrote is slightly misleading: the base VirtualBox
> software seems to satisfy the definition of Free Software just fine.
> The above wiki page mentions two problems for Debian packaging:
> - There's a proprietary "add-on" for it, but that doesn't affect the
>   status of the base system. 

Technically Debian places Virtualbox in Contrib since version 4.2
because a non-free component is required to build the BIOS.

> - There's a lack of interest from the main developers to provide
>   long-term support for older releases which made it too much trouble
>   for Debian's security team to provide support for it, so it's not in
>   Debian any more.

This is the primary driver as to why Stretch places Virtualbox in
backports, and why Buster will not have Virtualbox packages in the
Debian repo at all.

Additionally, Oracle no longer supports i386 versions of Virtualbox, not
since version 6.0.0.

For that reason I would not recommend using Virtualbox unless you are
intending to use the Oracle-supplied packages, and I certainly would not
recommend using the i386 versions.

-Matt

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