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  Feasibility of running mmdebstrap under Stretch (not Buster) Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-05-26 16:40 +0200
    Re: Feasibility of running mmdebstrap under Stretch (not Buster) Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-26 17:00 +0200
      Re: Feasibility of running mmdebstrap under Stretch (not Buster) Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-05-26 17:10 +0200
        Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-05-27 17:30 +0200
          Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-27 17:50 +0200
            Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-05-27 18:30 +0200
              Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2019-05-27 19:10 +0200
                Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-05-27 19:40 +0200
              Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2019-05-27 19:30 +0200
              Fresh run of mmdebstrap - was [Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running  mmdebstrap for 1st time] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-05-29 19:10 +0200
                Re: Fresh run of mmdebstrap - was [Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time] Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-29 20:10 +0200
                  Re: Fresh run of mmdebstrap - was [Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running  mmdebstrap for 1st time] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-05-29 20:40 +0200
                    Re: Fresh run of mmdebstrap - was [Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time] Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-29 22:10 +0200
                      Re: Fresh run of mmdebstrap - was [Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running  mmdebstrap for 1st time] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-05-30 13:10 +0200
                        Re: Fresh run of mmdebstrap - was [Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time] Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-30 14:40 +0200
          Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-05-30 15:00 +0200
            Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-05-30 17:20 +0200
              Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-05-30 17:40 +0200

#209177 — Feasibility of running mmdebstrap under Stretch (not Buster)

I was investigating using multistrap, but it has been orphaned.
mmdebstrap apparently has the desired features of multistrap but is 
available only in Buster.

I do not have the available bandwidth to install Buster.
In Stretch perl is 5.24.1-3+deb9u5 but is 5.28.1-6 in Buster.

Is it feasible to run under Stretch? How?
TIA

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Quoting Richard Owlett (2019-05-26 16:34:17)
> I was investigating using multistrap, but it has been orphaned. 
> mmdebstrap apparently has the desired features of multistrap but is 
> available only in Buster.
> 
> I do not have the available bandwidth to install Buster.
> In Stretch perl is 5.24.1-3+deb9u5 but is 5.28.1-6 in Buster.
> 
> Is it feasible to run under Stretch? How?

mmdebstrap has no tight dependencies so you should be able to simply 
install the Buster package in Stretch and try use it.

Just make sure to mention clearly in eventual bugreports if you are 
using the package outside its officially target suite.

There are known limitations esp. when running under fake(ch)root, but I 
think that is well documented in the man page.

mmdebstrap is great!


 - Jonas

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#209180

On 05/26/2019 09:52 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Richard Owlett (2019-05-26 16:34:17)
>> I was investigating using multistrap, but it has been orphaned.
>> mmdebstrap apparently has the desired features of multistrap but is
>> available only in Buster.
>>
>> I do not have the available bandwidth to install Buster.
>> In Stretch perl is 5.24.1-3+deb9u5 but is 5.28.1-6 in Buster.
>>
>> Is it feasible to run under Stretch? How?
> 
> mmdebstrap has no tight dependencies so you should be able to simply
> install the Buster package in Stretch and try use it.

Today == *rain* Tomorrow = holiday  Should have lots of time ;/

> 
> Just make sure to mention clearly in eventual bugreports if you are
> using the package outside its officially target suite.

In any case, typically PEBKAC > bugs

> 
> There are known limitations esp. when running under fake(ch)root, but I
> think that is well documented in the man page.

That is one of the things I wanted to check out. As I read the 
limitations, they should be fairly simple to remedy.

Thanks



> 
> mmdebstrap is great!
> 
> 
>   - Jonas
> 

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#209232 — Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time

On 05/26/2019 10:05 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 05/26/2019 09:52 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> Quoting Richard Owlett (2019-05-26 16:34:17)
>>> I was investigating using multistrap, but it has been orphaned.
>>> mmdebstrap apparently has the desired features of multistrap but is
>>> available only in Buster.
>>>
>>> I do not have the available bandwidth to install Buster.
>>> In Stretch perl is 5.24.1-3+deb9u5 but is 5.28.1-6 in Buster.
>>>
>>> Is it feasible to run under Stretch? How?
>>
>> mmdebstrap has no tight dependencies so you should be able to simply
>> install the Buster package in Stretch and try use it.
> 

My command was:
mmdebstrap --variant=required stretch test1.tar 
file:///media/richard/dvds/dvd1.iso

The error received was:
> sh: 1: fakechroot: not found
> sh: 1: proot: not found
> E: unable to pick chroot mode automatically

That was resolved by installing "fakechroot". I had read the man page as 
implying the use of a tar file did not require it.

That left me with the problem of telling the instance of apt being run 
internally by mmdebstrap that dvd1.iso is trusted. I unsuccessfully 
tried using the distribution DVD itself.

What is the proper syntax to use dvd1.iso {preferred} or DVD in drive 
{last resort} as my repository?

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#209235 — Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time

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Quoting Richard Owlett (2019-05-27 17:23:17)
> On 05/26/2019 10:05 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > On 05/26/2019 09:52 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> >> Quoting Richard Owlett (2019-05-26 16:34:17)
> >>> I was investigating using multistrap, but it has been orphaned. 
> >>> mmdebstrap apparently has the desired features of multistrap but 
> >>> is available only in Buster.
> >>>
> >>> I do not have the available bandwidth to install Buster. In 
> >>> Stretch perl is 5.24.1-3+deb9u5 but is 5.28.1-6 in Buster.
> >>>
> >>> Is it feasible to run under Stretch? How?
> >>
> >> mmdebstrap has no tight dependencies so you should be able to 
> >> simply install the Buster package in Stretch and try use it.
> > 
> 
> My command was:
> mmdebstrap --variant=required stretch test1.tar 
> file:///media/richard/dvds/dvd1.iso
> 
> The error received was:
> > sh: 1: fakechroot: not found
> > sh: 1: proot: not found
> > E: unable to pick chroot mode automatically
> 
> That was resolved by installing "fakechroot". I had read the man page 
> as implying the use of a tar file did not require it.
> 
> That left me with the problem of telling the instance of apt being run 
> internally by mmdebstrap that dvd1.iso is trusted. I unsuccessfully 
> tried using the distribution DVD itself.
> 
> What is the proper syntax to use dvd1.iso {preferred} or DVD in drive 
> {last resort} as my repository?

mmdebstrap (and multistrap which you originally mentioned) are unrelated 
to dealing with ISO files.

What do you expect to achieve by "investigating using multistrap" and 
mmdebstrap?

 - Jonas

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#209238 — Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time

On 05/27/2019 10:46 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Richard Owlett (2019-05-27 17:23:17)
>> On 05/26/2019 10:05 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> On 05/26/2019 09:52 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>>>> Quoting Richard Owlett (2019-05-26 16:34:17)
>>>>> I was investigating using multistrap, but it has been orphaned.
>>>>> mmdebstrap apparently has the desired features of multistrap but
>>>>> is available only in Buster.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not have the available bandwidth to install Buster. In
>>>>> Stretch perl is 5.24.1-3+deb9u5 but is 5.28.1-6 in Buster.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it feasible to run under Stretch? How?
>>>>
>>>> mmdebstrap has no tight dependencies so you should be able to
>>>> simply install the Buster package in Stretch and try use it.
>>>
>>
>> My command was:
>> mmdebstrap --variant=required stretch test1.tar
>> file:///media/richard/dvds/dvd1.iso
>>
>> The error received was:
>>> sh: 1: fakechroot: not found
>>> sh: 1: proot: not found
>>> E: unable to pick chroot mode automatically
>>
>> That was resolved by installing "fakechroot". I had read the man page
>> as implying the use of a tar file did not require it.
>>
>> That left me with the problem of telling the instance of apt being run
>> internally by mmdebstrap that dvd1.iso is trusted. I unsuccessfully
>> tried using the distribution DVD itself.
>>
>> What is the proper syntax to use dvd1.iso {preferred} or DVD in drive
>> {last resort} as my repository?
> 
> mmdebstrap (and multistrap which you originally mentioned) are unrelated
> to dealing with ISO files.

You misunderstood.
debootstrap, multistrap, mmdebstrap and any future cousins require a 
repository of deb files.

apt and cousins can install from an unsigned repository by EXPLICITLY 
identifying it as "trusted". {see man page for sources.list}

By inference I only need the proper syntax to do same with mmdebstrap.

Further re-reading of man pages suggests that my command should begin:
> mmdebstrap --variant=required --aptopt="APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated true" ...

I hesitate to try that on this machine.




> 
> What do you expect to achieve by "investigating using multistrap" and
> mmdebstrap?
> 
>   - Jonas
> 

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#209239 — Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time

On 5/27/19, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>
> Further re-reading of man pages suggests that my command should begin:
>> mmdebstrap --variant=required --aptopt="APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated
>> true" ...
>
> I hesitate to try that on this machine.


Is there any way to attempt a "--dry-run", or is that not offered? Or
it's possibly not even useful in this particular case usage?

I've encountered "--dry-run" as a nice option a couple times lately.
That's why it came to mind just now. Would be nice to see it here,
too.

DISCLAIMER: Where available, "--dry-run" is still not perfect. I've
seen it gloss over, i.e. not mention/reference at all, some forgotten
action that I had specifically needed to test-drive first before
attempting for reals.

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with birdseed *

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#209246 — Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time

On 05/27/2019 12:08 PM, Cindy Sue Causey wrote:
> On 5/27/19, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>>
>> Further re-reading of man pages suggests that my command should begin:
>>> mmdebstrap --variant=required --aptopt="APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated
>>> true" ...
>>
>> I hesitate to try that on this machine.
> 
> 
> Is there any way to attempt a "--dry-run", or is that not offered? Or
> it's possibly not even useful in this particular case usage?

The man page for mmdebstrap does mention one.
As its original motivation was to replace a sub-set of multistrap uses, 
I wouldn't be surprised if it exists.

I've just done a Debian install intended for doing dangerous 
experiments. But its lunch time.

> 
> I've encountered "--dry-run" as a nice option a couple times lately.
> That's why it came to mind just now. Would be nice to see it here,
> too.
> 
> DISCLAIMER: Where available, "--dry-run" is still not perfect. I've
> seen it gloss over, i.e. not mention/reference at all, some forgotten
> action that I had specifically needed to test-drive first before
> attempting for reals.

That's essentially why I specified a tarball as output. Limits 
collateral damage while I find out what mmdebstrap does or can do.


> 
> Cindy :)
> 

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#209243 — Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time

On 5/27/19, Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/27/19, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>>
>> Further re-reading of man pages suggests that my command should begin:
>>> mmdebstrap --variant=required --aptopt="APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated
>>> true" ...
>>
>> I hesitate to try that on this machine.
>
>
> Is there any way to attempt a "--dry-run", or is that not offered? Or
> it's possibly not even useful in this particular case usage?


Sorry about that yet again. I thought it was being funky when it took
too long after clicking "Send". It occurred on the newest Opera-Stable
installed 24 hours ago.

When this occurs, as I've seen it happen for others, too, I THINK it's
possibly about a browser's refresh rate or something similar ("redraw,
whatever that is"?) *hiccup* causing a malfunction in tandem with less
than optimal networking connections.

Websites used to "yell at me", a "whoa, cowboy" kind of deal, where
the'd sometimes even threaten to lock me out a couple years ago. Their
complaint was about the browser being too eager, making too many
refresh requests in too short a time. Opera had something called a
"redraw" [rate] that seemed to be the cause. Back then, it could be
changed slightly but NOT STOPPED, unfortunately. :)

Opera finally evolved to where that hasn't been such an issue. Every
once in a while, though, instances like this newest double-sent email
give a quick peek back at those not so long ago "it's not you, it's
not me, it's THEM" days.

Cindy :)
-- 
* runs with birdseed *

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#209382 — Fresh run of mmdebstrap - was [Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time]

On 05/27/2019 11:20 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> [snip]
>>> What is the proper syntax to use dvd1.iso {preferred} or DVD in drive
>>> {last resort} as my repository?
>>
>> mmdebstrap (and multistrap which you originally mentioned) are unrelated
>> to dealing with ISO files.
> 
> You misunderstood.
> debootstrap, multistrap, mmdebstrap and any future cousins require a 
> repository of deb files.
> 
> apt and cousins can install from an unsigned repository by EXPLICITLY 
> identifying it as "trusted". {see man page for sources.list}
> 
> By inference I only need the proper syntax to do same with mmdebstrap.
> 
> Further re-reading of man pages suggests that my command should begin:
>> mmdebstrap --variant=required --aptopt="APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 
>> true" ...
> 

I used whatever tool Caja invokes to extract the contents of dvd1.iso.
After receiving a warning I unzipped packages.gz

mmdebstrap is still not happy. I get:
> richard@testingmisc:~$ mmdebstrap --variant=required --aptopt="APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated true" stretch test1.tar file:///home/richard/Downloads/dvd1
> I: automatically chosen mode: fakechroot
> I: chroot architecture i386 is equal to the host's architecture
> I: using /tmp/mmdebstrap.lKsmxY1Xl3 as tempdir
> I: running apt-get update...
> done
> Get:1 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch InRelease
> Ign:1 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch InRelease
> Get:2 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch Release [33.4 kB]
> Get:2 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch Release [33.4 kB]
> Get:3 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch Release.gpg
> Ign:3 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch Release.gpg
> Get:4 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch/main i386 Packages [892 kB]
> Ign:4 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch/main i386 Packages
> Get:4 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch/main i386 Packages [892 kB]
> Reading package lists...
> W: The repository 'file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch Release' is not signed.
> E: apt-get update -oAPT::Status-Fd=<$fd> -oDpkg::Use-Pty=false failed
> I: removing tempdir /tmp/mmdebstrap.lKsmxY1Xl3...

I don't know what the next to last line is telling me.
I've tried running mmdebstrap as root and received same error.

Help please.

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#209385 — Re: Fresh run of mmdebstrap - was [Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time]

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Quoting Richard Owlett (2019-05-29 19:02:51)
> On 05/27/2019 11:20 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > [snip]
> >>> What is the proper syntax to use dvd1.iso {preferred} or DVD in drive
> >>> {last resort} as my repository?
> >>
> >> mmdebstrap (and multistrap which you originally mentioned) are unrelated
> >> to dealing with ISO files.
> > 
> > You misunderstood.
> > debootstrap, multistrap, mmdebstrap and any future cousins require a 
> > repository of deb files.
> > 
> > apt and cousins can install from an unsigned repository by EXPLICITLY 
> > identifying it as "trusted". {see man page for sources.list}
> > 
> > By inference I only need the proper syntax to do same with mmdebstrap.
> > 
> > Further re-reading of man pages suggests that my command should begin:
> >> mmdebstrap --variant=required --aptopt="APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 
> >> true" ...
> > 
> 
> I used whatever tool Caja invokes to extract the contents of dvd1.iso.
> After receiving a warning I unzipped packages.gz
> 
> mmdebstrap is still not happy. I get:
> > richard@testingmisc:~$ mmdebstrap --variant=required --aptopt="APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated true" stretch test1.tar file:///home/richard/Downloads/dvd1
> > I: automatically chosen mode: fakechroot
> > I: chroot architecture i386 is equal to the host's architecture
> > I: using /tmp/mmdebstrap.lKsmxY1Xl3 as tempdir
> > I: running apt-get update...
> > done
> > Get:1 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch InRelease
> > Ign:1 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch InRelease
> > Get:2 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch Release [33.4 kB]
> > Get:2 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch Release [33.4 kB]
> > Get:3 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch Release.gpg
> > Ign:3 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch Release.gpg
> > Get:4 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch/main i386 Packages [892 kB]
> > Ign:4 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch/main i386 Packages
> > Get:4 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch/main i386 Packages [892 kB]
> > Reading package lists...
> > W: The repository 'file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch Release' is not signed.
> > E: apt-get update -oAPT::Status-Fd=<$fd> -oDpkg::Use-Pty=false failed
> > I: removing tempdir /tmp/mmdebstrap.lKsmxY1Xl3...
> 
> I don't know what the next to last line is telling me.
> I've tried running mmdebstrap as root and received same error.
> 
> Help please.

I still think you are mistaken about mmdebstrap (or 
multistrap or any other debootstrap variant/replacement) relating to ISO 
files.

 - Jonas

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#209388 — Re: Fresh run of mmdebstrap - was [Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time]

On 05/29/2019 01:00 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Richard Owlett (2019-05-29 19:02:51)
>> On 05/27/2019 11:20 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>>> What is the proper syntax to use dvd1.iso {preferred} or DVD in drive
>>>>> {last resort} as my repository?
>>>>
>>>> mmdebstrap (and multistrap which you originally mentioned) are unrelated
>>>> to dealing with ISO files.
>>>
>>> You misunderstood.
>>> debootstrap, multistrap, mmdebstrap and any future cousins require a
>>> repository of deb files.
>>>
>>> apt and cousins can install from an unsigned repository by EXPLICITLY
>>> identifying it as "trusted". {see man page for sources.list}
>>>
>>> By inference I only need the proper syntax to do same with mmdebstrap.
>>>
>>> Further re-reading of man pages suggests that my command should begin:
>>>> mmdebstrap --variant=required --aptopt="APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated
>>>> true" ...
>>>
>>
>> I used whatever tool Caja invokes to extract the contents of dvd1.iso.
>> After receiving a warning I unzipped packages.gz
>>
>> mmdebstrap is still not happy. I get:
>>> richard@testingmisc:~$ mmdebstrap --variant=required --aptopt="APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated true" stretch test1.tar file:///home/richard/Downloads/dvd1
>>> I: automatically chosen mode: fakechroot
>>> I: chroot architecture i386 is equal to the host's architecture
>>> I: using /tmp/mmdebstrap.lKsmxY1Xl3 as tempdir
>>> I: running apt-get update...
>>> done
>>> Get:1 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch InRelease
>>> Ign:1 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch InRelease
>>> Get:2 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch Release [33.4 kB]
>>> Get:2 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch Release [33.4 kB]
>>> Get:3 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch Release.gpg
>>> Ign:3 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch Release.gpg
>>> Get:4 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch/main i386 Packages [892 kB]
>>> Ign:4 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch/main i386 Packages
>>> Get:4 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch/main i386 Packages [892 kB]
>>> Reading package lists...
>>> W: The repository 'file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch Release' is not signed.
>>> E: apt-get update -oAPT::Status-Fd=<$fd> -oDpkg::Use-Pty=false failed
>>> I: removing tempdir /tmp/mmdebstrap.lKsmxY1Xl3...
>>
>> I don't know what the next to last line is telling me.
>> I've tried running mmdebstrap as root and received same error.
>>
>> Help please.
> 
> I still think you are mistaken about mmdebstrap (or
> multistrap or any other debootstrap variant/replacement) relating to ISO
> files.

If an installation CD/DVD did not enclose a legitimate repository how 
would installs take place?

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#209391 — Re: Fresh run of mmdebstrap - was [Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time]

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Quoting Richard Owlett (2019-05-29 20:35:52)
> On 05/29/2019 01:00 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Quoting Richard Owlett (2019-05-29 19:02:51)
> >> On 05/27/2019 11:20 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>> [snip]
> >>>>> What is the proper syntax to use dvd1.iso {preferred} or DVD in drive
> >>>>> {last resort} as my repository?
> >>>>
> >>>> mmdebstrap (and multistrap which you originally mentioned) are unrelated
> >>>> to dealing with ISO files.
> >>>
> >>> You misunderstood.
> >>> debootstrap, multistrap, mmdebstrap and any future cousins require a
> >>> repository of deb files.
> >>>
> >>> apt and cousins can install from an unsigned repository by EXPLICITLY
> >>> identifying it as "trusted". {see man page for sources.list}
> >>>
> >>> By inference I only need the proper syntax to do same with mmdebstrap.
> >>>
> >>> Further re-reading of man pages suggests that my command should begin:
> >>>> mmdebstrap --variant=required --aptopt="APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated
> >>>> true" ...
> >>>
> >>
> >> I used whatever tool Caja invokes to extract the contents of dvd1.iso.
> >> After receiving a warning I unzipped packages.gz
> >>
> >> mmdebstrap is still not happy. I get:
> >>> richard@testingmisc:~$ mmdebstrap --variant=required --aptopt="APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated true" stretch test1.tar file:///home/richard/Downloads/dvd1
> >>> I: automatically chosen mode: fakechroot
> >>> I: chroot architecture i386 is equal to the host's architecture
> >>> I: using /tmp/mmdebstrap.lKsmxY1Xl3 as tempdir
> >>> I: running apt-get update...
> >>> done
> >>> Get:1 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch InRelease
> >>> Ign:1 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch InRelease
> >>> Get:2 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch Release [33.4 kB]
> >>> Get:2 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch Release [33.4 kB]
> >>> Get:3 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch Release.gpg
> >>> Ign:3 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch Release.gpg
> >>> Get:4 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch/main i386 Packages [892 kB]
> >>> Ign:4 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch/main i386 Packages
> >>> Get:4 file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch/main i386 Packages [892 kB]
> >>> Reading package lists...
> >>> W: The repository 'file:/home/richard/Downloads/dvd1 stretch Release' is not signed.
> >>> E: apt-get update -oAPT::Status-Fd=<$fd> -oDpkg::Use-Pty=false failed
> >>> I: removing tempdir /tmp/mmdebstrap.lKsmxY1Xl3...
> >>
> >> I don't know what the next to last line is telling me.
> >> I've tried running mmdebstrap as root and received same error.
> >>
> >> Help please.
> > 
> > I still think you are mistaken about mmdebstrap (or
> > multistrap or any other debootstrap variant/replacement) relating to ISO
> > files.
> 
> If an installation CD/DVD did not enclose a legitimate repository how 
> would installs take place?

Define "legitimate".

A debian-installer ISO fits the needs of debian-installer.

mmdebstrap does not take debian-installer organized data as input.


 - Jonas

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#209413 — Re: Fresh run of mmdebstrap - was [Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time]

On 05/29/2019 03:04 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>
> mmdebstrap does not take debian-installer organized data as input.

According to the man page:
[https://manpages.debian.org/testing/mmdebstrap/mmdebstrap.1.en.html]
> In contrast to debootstrap it uses apt to resolve dependencies
> and is thus able to use more than one mirror and resolve more
> complex dependencies.
AND later
> --aptopt
>     Pass arbitrary options to apt. 
As apt has no problem with ISOs. Why then should mmdebstrap have problem?

Also note the error message.
> E: apt-get update -oAPT::Status-Fd=<$fd> -oDpkg::Use-Pty=false failed

It explicitly states "apt-get" has error.
Therefore I need the right mmdebstrap syntax.

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#209414 — Re: Fresh run of mmdebstrap - was [Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time]

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Quoting Richard Owlett (2019-05-30 13:01:10)
> On 05/29/2019 03:04 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> >
> > mmdebstrap does not take debian-installer organized data as input.
> 
> According to the man page:
> [https://manpages.debian.org/testing/mmdebstrap/mmdebstrap.1.en.html]
> > In contrast to debootstrap it uses apt to resolve dependencies
> > and is thus able to use more than one mirror and resolve more
> > complex dependencies.
> AND later
> > --aptopt
> >     Pass arbitrary options to apt. 
> As apt has no problem with ISOs. Why then should mmdebstrap have problem?
> 
> Also note the error message.
> > E: apt-get update -oAPT::Status-Fd=<$fd> -oDpkg::Use-Pty=false failed
> 
> It explicitly states "apt-get" has error.
> Therefore I need the right mmdebstrap syntax.

I think I got my point through to you now.  You clearly disagree.

I suggest you file a bugreport and discuss further with the maintainer 
of the package (which is also the author of the packaged tool).


 - Jonas

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#209416 — Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time

On 2019-05-27, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>
> That left me with the problem of telling the instance of apt being run 
> internally by mmdebstrap that dvd1.iso is trusted. I unsuccessfully 
> tried using the distribution DVD itself.
>
> What is the proper syntax to use dvd1.iso {preferred} or DVD in drive 
> {last resort} as my repository?
>

I'm uncertain how mmdebstrap works exactly, but I wonder, as it can be
fed a '/etc/apt/sources.list' file, if the latter contained a line for
your in-drive dvd (via 'apt-cdrom add', for example) whether that would work
(unsure just how and when mmdebstrap updates apt's package index).

 cat /etc/apt/sources.list | mmdebstrap > stable-chroot.tar

or is it

 mmdebstrap < /etc/apt/sources.list > stable-chroot.tar

Those must be equivalent, I guess.

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#209427 — Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time

On 05/30/2019 07:51 AM, Curt wrote:
> On 2019-05-27, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>>
>> That left me with the problem of telling the instance of apt being run
>> internally by mmdebstrap that dvd1.iso is trusted. I unsuccessfully
>> tried using the distribution DVD itself.
>>
>> What is the proper syntax to use dvd1.iso {preferred} or DVD in drive
>> {last resort} as my repository?
>>
> 
> I'm uncertain how mmdebstrap works exactly, but I wonder, as it can be
> fed a '/etc/apt/sources.list' file, if the latter contained a line for
> your in-drive dvd (via 'apt-cdrom add', for example) whether that would work
> (unsure just how and when mmdebstrap updates apt's package index).
> 
>   cat /etc/apt/sources.list | mmdebstrap > stable-chroot.tar
> 
> or is it
> 
>   mmdebstrap < /etc/apt/sources.list > stable-chroot.tar
> 
> Those must be equivalent, I guess.
> 

Equivalent? Don't know.
2nd looks like quote from man page <chuckle>
I had made explicit choice to use "--xyz" format. Why? Forgot ;/

Up until a couple of years ago I only had dial-up. Install DVDs {or 
their images} were my only choice for a repository. There are {now 
forgotten} apt related quirks to be aware of. I'm now giving myself a 
refresher course on using an install DVD ( or image ) as a repository.

Earlier this morning I proved why you don't experiment in your default 
setup. I have a partition set aside for experiments. This morning I 
managed to trash my 'experimenter' partition.

More later.

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#209428 — Re: Problems {PEBKAC?} running mmdebstrap for 1st time

On 2019-05-30, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:

> Up until a couple of years ago I only had dial-up. Install DVDs {or 
> their images} were my only choice for a repository. There are {now 
> forgotten} apt related quirks to be aware of. I'm now giving myself a 
> refresher course on using an install DVD ( or image ) as a repository.

When you install from DVD it is effectively the repository. 

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